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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:42 PM
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Hillary said "Screw 'Em" to Working Class, but Bill's view Closer to Obama's in '95
But those who were at the event say the 1995 episode fits into her larger political viewpoint. As Harry Boyte, the director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Democracy and Citizenship who was at the retreat, told The Huffington Post: " sees herself as the champion of the oppressed, but there is always a kind of good guy versus bad guy mentality. The comment before that was that 'the Reagan Democrats are our enemies and they weren't on our side,' and she was agreeing with that comment. She said we should write them off: screw them."

Perhaps even more telling than Hillary Clinton's "screw 'em" proclamation, however, were the words from her husband that followed. As reported by Barber, Clinton "stepped in, calm and judicious, not irritated, as if rehearsing an old but honorable debate he had been having with his wife for decades."

I know how you feel. I understand Hillary's sense of outrage. It makes me mad too. Sure, we lost our base in the South; our boys voted for Gingrich. But let me tell you something. I know these boys. I grew up with them. Hardworking, poor, white boys, who feel left out, feel that our reforms always come at their expense. Think about it, every progressive advance our country has made since the Civil War has been on their backs. They're the ones asked to pay the price of progress. Now, we are the party of progress, but let me tell you, until we find a way to include these boys in our programs, until we stop making them pay the whole price of liberty for others, we are never going to unite our party, never really going to have change that sticks.


If the tone and tenor of the above sounds familiar, it's because the message, Boyte says, is remarkably similar to what Obama was trying to convey in his now controversial remarks about small town America.

"Well, yeah, absolutely," said Boyte, when asked if Obama and Bill Clinton were expressing the same political viewpoint (Boyte said he and his organization are neutral in the presidential race). "I think Obama's better-or-worse versions of this have always been that people are complicated. It comes from an organizing perceptive. You don't write off people, everyone is complicated. It just depends on the issue. And that's what Bill Clinton was saying. He was a sentimental populist."


Not to be lost in all this, as Boyte notes, is that Hillary Clinton has consistently been a "champion for the people who were helpless and powerless." But there is a political component to the mindset.

"Hillary Clinton has a very strong customer view: the citizen is the customer and the government the vender," said Boyte. "You can see it in Mark Penn's frame. In fact, last Christmas she had an ad of herself writing checks to different groups."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:49 PM
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1. This is big! This is major damage
The right wing media might not pick this up now (and run with it), but rest assured they would if she were to face McCain. It pretty much makes her all but unelectable to national office.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:51 PM
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3. It's only big if the media run with it like they did Obama's comments... but they won't.....
Because they want a horse race.


Anything that ends this race is considered "bad" by the media. This race is ratings gold for them... and they will not stand for it ending before the convention.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:53 PM
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5. True, but in they would run with it later agianst McCain
You think FOX wouldn't make this a major issue, at some point?
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:40 PM
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13. Fox is already showing it
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:42 PM
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14. *double take* /nt
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:46 PM
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15. the media followed Hillary's lead on this
Because SHE brought it up, that made it news - the news that she brought it up.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:05 PM
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12. She was unelectable since her Bosnia flap.
This just drives the point home. :rofl:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:48 PM
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19. Do you really think that that one gaffe would destroy her? I have to admit
watching that video of her "staring out into space" repeating how she "landed" and the refute of it did bother me...........I wondered why neither of these Candidates don't GET how fast "News" travels over the internet...if you fanticize or obfuscate.. :-(
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:50 PM
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2. The "race" is over, methinks.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:37 PM
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18. I didn't see this as the "race is over." It's obvious that Bill disagreed with her..
and there still might be some Clinton Mystique out there compared to the aura given off by the Bush Criminals.

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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:53 PM
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4. ABC reported this back in Oct as well
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:55 PM
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7. It's a ticking time bomb
Remember Wright's comments were known for a long time, before it suddenly became a "story"
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:55 PM
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6. Hillary says one thing and means another?? surely you jest
more of the same
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:57 PM
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8. OK, this is bad.
Screwemgate. I have to admit it's not good.

(I will say though, that the Bill Clinton quote you included is NOT like Obama's bitter-cling comments: it doesn't insult the white working class at all.)

Screwemgate will hurt Hillary, but it doesn't relieve Obama from the combination of Wrightgate, Michellegate and Bittergate.

I still like Hillary, I still think her indefategability would make her a better candidate than Obama in the General Election. But I'm seriously starting to begin to hope for a brokered-Convention/second-ballot scenario: Even according to "The Math" thread here, Obama still needs about 90 more SuperDs (out of the 300 or so still undeclared) to get to 2,024. I really hope those SuperDs stay neutral: lets get to a second ballot, where we can go with someone like ... Al Gore!

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:02 PM
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9. This is going to kill any chance Hillary has for a big win in PA
which should thankful end her destructive run for President. If she doesn't go willingly, then I think the SD's will have no choice but to step in for the good of the party.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:04 PM
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11. Seriously... this post tells me this is actually going to have legs....
I thought not.... but when unabashed Hillary backers start going "uh oh".... it's a doozy. (or DUzy).
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:48 PM
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16. Way to stick to your guns.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:03 PM
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10. To Obama, we are CITIZENS, not "customers"
http://prorev.com/shilling.htm

'Customer' and 'consumer' were not the only words being used to change the nature of citizenship. Daniel Kemmis, the mayor of Missoula, MT, pointed out that the word 'taxpayer' now "regularly holds the place which in a true democracy would be occupied by 'citizen.' Taxpayers bear a dual relationship to government, neither half of which has anything at all to do with democracy. Taxpayers pay tribute to the government and they receive services from it. So does every subject of a totalitarian regime. What taxpayers do not do, and what people who call themselves taxpayers have long since stopped even imagining themselves doing, is governing."

Then there was growing use of the term "stakeholder" that covertly diminished the citizens' role to that of a minor participant. Ironically, 'stakeholder' literally means a person who holds the money while two other people bet. Whoever wins, the stakeholder gets nothing.

Another phrase that started cropping up was 'civil society,' a patronizing description of people who, in a democracy, are meant to be running the place. The term has come to used in elite circles with roughly the same condescension of a bishop talking about a church altar guild.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:56 PM
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17. I would dispute the end of that
That Hillary has "consistently been a champion for the people who were helpless and powerless." I have not seen that in her record.

Plus the ad did not show her writing out checks. She was filling out card labels, one label saying "universal health care" another "end the Iraq war" and the last one being "universal pre-kindergarten".
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:56 PM
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20. ...
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:58 PM
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21. How come Hillary gets the benefit of the doubt and context and Obama gets insinuations and smears?
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