OH NO He didn't

[boston bean]

In speaking to the Jewish Community in PA Obama states that:

"The sermons that were the source of controversy were deeply disturbing to me, and I did address them, I did tell him, that I found them disturbing and wrong. As I mentioned, he was also, at that point, several months from retirement. So you make a decision about how are you going to handle that? Do you publicly denounce his comments? Do you privately express concerns with him, but recognize that you're part of the broader church community that is going to be transitioning? I chose the latter."

He also reiterated comments he had made earlier that any characterizations of Wright as something more than just his pastor were inaccurate. "And I also want to note, this notion that's been put forward that he's my spiritual advisor -- he was my pastor. Which means when I went to church. There were sermons. Many of them insightful and powerful and speaking about justice and the social gospel," he said.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/16/903077.aspx

Does he ever speak the honest to goodness truth. What a flip flopper. He has said in the past that, no he never talked to the Rev. Wright about those sermons, cause he didn't personally hear those nasty sermons being played on TV while he was in the pews, and now he has the audacity to try and tell Americans that Rev. Wright was not his spiritual adviser.


What a flippin floppin word parser. He's one of the worst of all time.

[Mags]

1. the only thing I'm not shocked about is that he didn't say he was half Jewish.

[Pisces]

That would be Hillary's line

[Pisces]

4. That would be Hillary's line

[indimuse]

67. ..

:rofl::rofl:

[rodeodance]

87. BHO panders to any group he finds.

[DJ13]

2. So I guess you'll vote McCain in the GE?

[boston bean]

5. I have already answered this question numerous times, I won't answer it again for you. nt

[Mags]

13. I'll probably write her in, but I will just have to think about it if BO so happens

to get the nomination

[melody]

28. In other words, you'll be voting for McCain

And Hillary WILL NOT get the nomination ... it's impossible ... it's like putting a bet on the unicorn in the Preakness.
It's not happening.

[JuniperLea]

27. That is such nonsense

My dog's poo could whip McCain in the GE... anyone who is foolish enough to vote for him is probably foolish enough to accuse another DUer of voting for him.

:eyes:

That question is not valid, and it hasn't ever been funny.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. .

[futureliveshere]

9. Great response

:rofl:

[FlyingSquirrel]

14. That looks more like a white kangaroo to me.

[truebrit71]

10. ROFL!!!

Awesome!!

:rofl:

[boston bean]

11. He brought it up again, just today. nt

[Mags]

16. forgot to throw in racists

[Emit]

30. looks like you've got that part covered

[Mags]

45. Oh, Emit, You know who really throws the racial card, it ain't me. You don't know anything

about me, read about some of your own cohorts posting and see the light.

[Oleladylib]

6. I wonder how this will all play out if discussed tonight...

personally, I don't take issue with Obama's words because there isn't much substance to take issue with.

[shayes51]

7. You are right.

[democrattotheend]

8. He said the same thing weeks ago

That he had spoken to Wright privately and expressed his concern. Nothing new here.

[boston bean]

15. His campaign said that wasn't what he meant. if I recall correctly, about the View. nt

[jezebel]

26. Wrong. They said that it was misunderstood that Wright had apologized, not that Obama had spoken to

Wright and expressed his dismay. He has also said that when he began running for Pres. he found out some of the controversial things Wright had said (the post Sept11 stuff) and some of the anti-Isreal stuff. I believe that is what he meant today in saying that back then he decided to seperate himself from Wright(uninvite him to speak) and expressed his dismay with those issues. Then only when the tapes were on the news did he actually see and hear some of these other comments that he had not known about.

[sandnsea]

12. "at that point, several months from retirement"

He said he hadn't heard the worst comments, so no he never talked about them. LATER, several months from retirement, when Obama announced, THEN he spoke to the Reverend which has been well documented.

You just have poor reading comprehension.

[boston bean]

17. give me the documentation that he spoke with Wright. Is it the View you are talking about, I

am pretty sure his campaign said he did not mean it that way.

[Mags]

19. your right, but they wouldn't believe it if BO told them personally.

[sandnsea]

25. No she is not right

and you're sick too.

[Mags]

41. hey, I'm not follow a guy that says the heavens will open up and you will follow him.

now that is nuts.

[sandnsea]

24. When he was uninvited from Obama's announcement

It's common knowledge to anybody who has been paying attention. He spoke to Wright at that time about the comments he knew about and his disagreement with them. He was nearing retirement and didn't find the need to make an issue of it. Only sick people like you want to turn a man who has done so much for the least of us into a hater. You are really sick.

[boston bean]

31. Oh, so he's talking about when he told wright your sermons get fiery and could cause some problems.

that is what he is talking about.

I wonder why he denied it that he spoke to him.

[sandnsea]

34. Oh god, he didn't deny it

What is wrong with you?

[boston bean]

35. Wright wasn't O's spiritual adviser and mentor? nt

[sandnsea]

38. Actually no

"Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack's spiritual journey and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed him, that I had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even though I would love to take that credit, you did not print any of that. When I told you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew Bible as to how God asked Moses, "What is that in your hand?," that Barack was like that when I met him. Barack had it "in his hand." Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual development that one is hard put to find in the 21st century, and you did not print that."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/27/flashback-wrights-lette_n_93820.html

But I don't know what that has to do with Obama saying he hadn't talked to Wright about a specific comment - and you twisting it into some crazy idea that Obama hadn't spoken to Wright about anything controversial in 20 years. It's insane.

[boston bean]

73. Why was Wright on his spiritual advisory committee within the campaign then? nt

[sandnsea]

89. To advise the campaign - duh n/t

[boston bean]

90. Who's campaign, Obama's I thought. nt

[sandnsea]

95. Is every campaign advisor a lifelong mentor? No. Duh. n/t

[butterfly77]

18. So tell us what he has to say to satisfy you?

[boston bean]

22. The truth. nt

[butterfly77]

98. That is what you have been getting and...

you can't handle it...

[Cooley Hurd]

20. Sniper fire...

[Missouri Girl]

21. Take a deep breath

You know. Again, what he says is exactly what I would do in my own personal situation. It rings true for me and for others that I know. In fact, I would probably do less than what he did (as far as personally confronting the pastor).

There are times in my church where I have heard my pastor make statements or take positions that I am extremely adverse to - for instance, here in Missouri, last year, we had the stem cell research amendment on the ballot. My pastor at church obviously was against our constitutional amendment and was very vocal in his opposition, my husband and I very much supported. Did we challenge him, did we leave our church? No, we did not.

My pastor also posed another false line of thinking - abortion has created the immigration crisis in Missouri. Because all of those women had abortions, well, there just was simply not enough workers being born to fill all of the jobs. BS.

But, my pastor is a really good man - he very much preaches a social gospel and is active in the community for the poor and disabled people. My kids enjoy the church and their friends there. Do my husband and I agree with everything he says. Absolutely not. Do we stop going to church there. No, we are still there. Where we have made our point of view is through our tithing.

[boston bean]

23. I am talking about him lying about his actions. Can you answer that?

[Terran]

42. Well said

from a fellow Missourian.

[anonymous171]

29. I love how certain fanatics here find ways to apply Wright to EVERYTHING.

My favorite was the Wright-Bitter connection

[boston bean]

33. Obama is the one who brought him up.

[guyanakoolaid]

32. This is a good point. Maybe superdelegates should vote for Hillary

The Reverend Wright issue has shown Obama's true colors, that he really hates this country. He can't lie his way out of how much he enjoys taking away Hillary's rightful ascension. It was her turn, dammit, it's just not fair. I would go in a corner and cry if I could manufacture tears as well as Hillary. If any of you need me I'll be out in the deer blind doing a keg stand.

[Texas Hill Country]

36. the retirement thing is disingenous because its not like Barack had just joined the church...

he sat there and listened for 20 YEARS!!!


He is basically saying that the only reason he would consider leaving is because he was running for office, but the pastor was gonna retire anyway, so he didnt bother....

The comments didnt bother enough for him to leave, but the trouble it posed to his electibility does?


can I get a WTF?

[malik flavors]

37. LOL, I love how the thread starter left out the first part of Obama's comments, who are you...

Sean Hannity?

Asked by a member in the audience, to clarify how much he had known about Wright's comments, Obama appeared to make a surprising admission, saying he had learned about Wright's controversial comments since running for president and he had addressed them with him but had chosen not to publicly denounce his pastor. "I'll be honest with you. I did not become aware of them until I started running for president. And at that point, yes, I had conversations with him, which I shared with him my deep concerns."

"The sermons that were the source of controversy were deeply disturbing to me, and I did address them, I did tell him, that I found them disturbing and wrong. As I mentioned, he was also, at that point, several months from retirement. So you make a decision about how are you going to handle that? Do you publicly denounce his comments? Do you privately express concerns with him, but recognize that you're part of the broader church community that is going to be transitioning? I chose the latter."

[anonymous171]

44. ^^^ TRUTH

[boston bean]

47. umm O has stated he did not hear this shit and on the fox interview denied speaking with him. `

which is it?

[sandnsea]

48. Two or three specific incidents

Not that he had never heard, or spoke about, anything controversial in 20 years. You're surely not as stupid as Sean Hannity and his listeners.

[boston bean]

50. Obama is a word parser to the extreme. If it sound ludicrous, it probably is. nt

[sandnsea]

52. I'll be glad when ignore is back n/t

[boston bean]

54. oh i've missed you sandnsea. is that why I haven't seen you around? you put me on ignore?

What a pity.

[uponit7771]

55. No he didn't, that's a damn lie and you know it. He said he didn't her the INCIDENARY(sp) remarks...

...looped in the media and even stupid ass'd Mathews couldn't pin him on the difference between "controversial" and "incidenary"

[boston bean]

58. If he didn't hear the incendiary remarks then what the hell did he talk to rev wright about? nt

[uponit7771]

51. Come on dude, if you're gonna kill a thread with the truth wait till it has at least 200 post :-)

[Bonobo]

39. Your statement: "He's one of the worst of all time."

My statement to you: "It is a complete waste of time talking to you if you really think that."

My statement to anyone else reading this: "It is a complete waste of time talking to him/her if you really thinks that."

[boston bean]

66. Then why did you post?

[Bonobo]

76. To tell others that you are a waste of skin.

[boston bean]

82. You are so pleasant bo bo.

[Bonobo]

92. MassDem. What I say now will either be the last time I speak with you or the first

time we have a real exchange.

This Ladies Man thread has pushed ALL of my buttons.

If you give me a snarky response to this post, I seriously never want to share another word with you.

It is racist. racist. straight-up racist.

If you think scoring Hillary points tonight is more important than admitting that, then I seriously never want to exchange another word with you.

MassDem to Massdem. I am serious.

[Terran]

40. Another winner of a post.

Used up your three today, I hope? :eyes:

[boston bean]

43. NOPE, saving one for the debate, stay tuned!

[Terran]

46. Looking forward to your insightful commentary.

:rofl:

[boston bean]

49. Most do! thanks!!!

:bounce:

[TK421]

56. What time is this debate starting? I have some things to do at work, so I want to make

sure I get back in time to see it...

Oh, and PRESENT :hi:

[boston bean]

61. 8pm est

[TK421]

71. Thanks

:thumbsup:

[Auntie Bush]

53. Funny how this thread has only 1 recs.

Obamites only rec. Anti Hillary threads and pro O threads.

[uponit7771]

59. The poster is a damn lie and she\he knows it or should know it. Obamas words are clear on what he...

...heard and when and even on FAUX news he said INCIDENARY

[boston bean]

62. oh so there is a difference between incendiary and controversial when o is speaking of this.

when the fuck did he talk to wright about the incendiary or controversial comments.

[uponit7771]

74. Freedictionary.com ....The difference is plain and simple to those who really give a shit

[indimuse]

69. yep..

losers...:rofl:

[mckeown1128]

57. I love your spin.

He did eventually hear the comments...like the rest of us did. THEN he talked to his pastor... once he heard the statements.

I think Obama can determine who is or isn't his own spiritual adviser... and it isn't any of your business. Why don't you leave Obama's faith alone?

[boston bean]

60. Really, cause he has said he didn't talk to him and he implies in this article he spoke with

him months ago.

I'm just as confused as you are.

[mckeown1128]

63. Again... his pastor and his faith are not fair game...

Only republicans try to distract from the race using guilt by association. Why don't you stick to focusing on the candidates in the race and not who they know.

[boston bean]

64. umm were the controversial comments he spoke of in this article the ones he spoke about on Fox, CNN

and MSNBC.

It appears so.

[datopbanana]

72. he said no. pay attention

[mckeown1128]

78. Just because he has to defend himself from Hannity inspired attacks...

doesn't mean it is ok to attack him using this. You and Hannity shouldn't be attacking him on this. His faith is non of your business.

[boston bean]

70. I am talking about Obama here, not rev. wright. Obama's pandering/ flip flopping etc.

[mckeown1128]

79. Except he hasn't flip flopped on this.

You shouldn't be attacking him for allegedly flip flopping on a subject that shouldn't be in the public square in the first place.

[Orangepeel]

65. At the time, I pointed out that he was referring to those specific TWO or THREE sermons

that were being played on a loop -- the goddamn American one, the AIDS one (which might have been the same one) and the Clinton one. He never said that he didn't hear Wright say anything controversial.

[boston bean]

68. He denied speaking to Wright about it, now he says he did. which is it? nt

[uponit7771]

75. The controversial or incidenary!?! Again, your spinning and or you don't know the difference

[boston bean]

77. you tell me exactly what obama spoke to Rev. Wright about. nt

[Orangepeel]

80. I didn't hear him deny that he spoke to Wright about anything

He didn't speak to Wright about those sermons because he says he didn't hear those sermons.

[boston bean]

81. ok then, what did he talk to him about it he didn't hear anything?

and on FOX he did deny speaking with him, shall I dig up the youtube?

[LaurenG]

83. Get.Over.Your.Hate

Senator Clinton has proven to be the most negative and flippin -floppin candidate of all time, plus she's a war monger, take off those rose colored glasses.


Neither is perfect.

[boston bean]

84. Well, that I can take. I detest a mere mortal being adorned celestial qualities.

[LaurenG]

88. LOL

Celestial qualities? :rofl: I don't see him that way but then I really would have loved a President Kucinich.

[rodeodance]

85. BHO is a LIER!!

[kwenu]

86. Is it possible for Hillary supporters to think up a criticism that isn't already attributed to Her?

[msallied]

91. Honestly, what is the big deal here?

He talked to him, he didn't talk to him. It doesn't freaking matter! Wright is retired now. Obama is not a racist. Most of Wright's sermons have been twisted out of context, and the issue has since died. And WHY must Obama (or ANYONE for that matter) be held personally accountable for every word and view that comes out of one's mouth?

[boston bean]

93. Obama brought it up again today to allay the questions Jewish people may have.

why he has to flip flop, lie or whatever does go to the core of his campaign.

[Usrename]

97. It's simple, unless you want to make it complicated.

Obama had conversed with Wright,and had acknowedged that he was controversial, long before he even announced his run for president. He has talked about this ad nauseum. He has known for 20 years that his pastor says controversial stuff. It would be surprising if he claimed to be unaware of this fact. But he hasn't made any such claim.

He also says (a totally different topic) that he never heard the statements on the videos until they hit the media.

Both of these statements are assumed to be true. At least I'm not aware of any evidence that he's lying.

[The Doctor.]

94. You people would call riding boots 'flip-flops'. There's no 'flip-flop' here.

[GoldieAZ49]

96. Wright is his spiritual and political adviser

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/religion/chi-070121-relig_wright,1,271630.story?cset=true&ctrack=1&page=2&coll=chi-religion-topheadlines

January 21, 2007

In his 1993 memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama recounts in vivid detail his first meeting with Wright in 1985. The pastor warned the community activist that getting involved with Trinity might turn off other black clergy because of the church's radical reputation.

...

Though Wright and Obama do not often talk one-on-one often, the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves.

Last fall, Obama approached Wright to broach the possibility of running for president. Wright cautioned Obama not to let politics change him, but he also encouraged Obama, win or lose.