Wow...Hillary totally wipes the floor with Barack

[JoFerret]

Incredible. Her mastery of the details and their implications is amazing.

She smashes Bush on economics as well as everything else.
Barack now whines.
Clearly - he just does NOT know what he is doing.

[slick8790]

1. Which debate are you watching? n/t

[Emit]

14. lol, my first thought, too.

If they repeat it often enough, though, well, you know.

[polpilot]

111. I wonder if sleepwalking is part of the Clinton supporter's 'dreams?'

[Cha]

21. Well, you know if it supports an inveterate liar

then there wouldn't be any problems with that.

[burythehatchet]

58. shhh, Jo's debating JimFerrett

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

108. >

.

[EV_Ares]

2. Are you in some sort of a dream coma? eom.

[Nitrogenica]

3. This is perhaps the poorest moderation and questioning I've ever seen in a debate.

[LBJDemocrat]

4. I agree

And I've been supportive of Obama on this forum. Obama is stammering like crazy.

[dhill926]

yep, she's winning the battle of the green line (undecideds reaction)....

Obama seems a bit off his game. btw, I support him. and I hate the fuck out of Charlie Gibson....

[Crooked Moon]

12. yeah he really stumbled

when pinned down on raising the cap for payroll taxes for people earning between 97k and 200k is essentially a middle class tax increase.

[aquart]

98. I'm surprised they both aren't.

If we continue with this stretched-out uber-long primary system, one day we will have candidates dropping dead on the podium.

[rzemanfl]

5. Sexist! Why must it be women who wipe floors? And what

debate are you watching?

[JoFerret]

16. Hillary really understands the issues

Barack is lost.

[JoFerret]

29. Here come to the guns

Leaning on Mayor Nutter - smart move.
Assault weapons ban.
Law and order.
Cops outgunned.
Clever stuff ... any minute will come the hunting guns.
Guns in the wrong hands .... common sense... constitutional right...balance.

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[Johnny__Motown]

6. Nope,.. she just fucked up again.. on the social security issue.. she sucks ass

[JoFerret]

25. Totally disagree. Hillary TRULY understands it

He does too. But not to the same degree.

[Johnny__Motown]

31. Come on.. she referenced the '82 solutions then said she wouldn't do those things... WTF?

[dorktv]

93. you mean she said she would not raise the tax rate like they did in 1982 (well technically 1983...)

or that she would not use the money to cover the deficits?

[Johnny__Motown]

46. Now she is splitting hairs over gun control.. she had a different stance running in NY and now tries

to have it both ways



she sucks ass

[JoFerret]

It's a complex issue.

Se navigated it well.

[Johnny__Motown]

72. she flip flopped.. and no.. it isn't that complex.

[aquart]

95. "Flip flop." Republican vocabulary.

How interesting where Obama supporters go in times of stress.

[JoFerret]

49. She is now doing fantastic on education

.

[Johnny__Motown]

75. Yes she did well there. once we figure out the funding.. most public schools are funded by propriety...

taxes (locally) and with property values dropping the taxable values may/should drop also.

Public schools need serious and permanent funding reform.


Nothing against her on this.. she did outline the goals fairly well, I just don't know how we will reach them

[JoFerret]

113. I agree with you on the funding issue

And with her - (and I would hope you) - on NCLB.

[JohnnyLib2]

7. The mastery is clear tonight. I'm really enjoying this show.

(And the consternation it's causing) :evilgrin:

[book_worm]

8. Obama has been holding his own and looks more presidential

I think he has the edge.

[JoFerret]

42. He's certainly still standing

.

[earth mom]

96. That reminds me of wanting to have a beer with *. WTF! That's a stupid reason to pick a candidate!

:puke:

[Dave From Canada]

9. I have to agree. This is not a good night for Obama.

He looked like an amateur when talking about capital gains taxes and social security.

[melody]

18. Are you joking? I thought he handled it all amazingly well.

Especially since they clearly had the corporate guns blazing.

[Dave From Canada]

76. He was brutal. He talks about raising the capital gains tax because "it's the right thing to do",

even though it was pointed out that over the last 25 years, when the rates been lowered or kept the same, the tax revenue goes up. So he wants to raise the tax to decline the revenue because "it's the right thing to do? What does that even mean? Then he criticizes Hillary's plan to convene a panel for solutions to social security the way Reagan and Tip O'Neill did back in the 80's. Why exactly would that be a bad thing?

[melody]

90. You're from Canada ... there are more issues than capital gains here ...

Beyond which fact, why do you care?

[csorman]

56. Can I have some of what you're smoking?

'Cause it must be good.

[melody]

10. You've posted this same message on two other threads

Let me ask again ... which debate are you watching?

[stevietheman]

11. I guess you're watching the debate in Bizarro World.

In my dimension, our next President Barack Obama is clearly winning with more thoughtful points, and complete take-downs of Hillary's jabs.

[RazBerryBeret]

24. I think Obama is winning,

but maybe that's my bias...but I was concerned that he looked a little pissed between questions (understandable with the idiotic questions they're asking) but I prefer the pissed off look to her crazy smiling and the shifty eyes....

[JoFerret]

68. Whining?

His supporters are. That is for sure.

[RazBerryBeret]

70. nah. winning.

I'm not whining, I think he held his own.
not thrilled about the moderators, but no big deal.

[JoFerret]

78. He was not even as good at dissembling and evading

e.g. on gun control

(important qualities in a politician.)

[RazBerryBeret]

82. I thought he was great

on the weather underground, kinda handed George his ass.
and on payroll tax.

they both stumbled on gun control.

[JoFerret]

89. He was great on that

And she was great too on Iraq and the economy. Two great candidates.

[PoliticalAmazon]

33. Pardon, that's "Hillaryworld." Oh, my bad. "Bizarro World" = Hillaryworld" n/t

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[Evergreen Emerald]

28. what? How bizarre...you really have gone off the deep end

[PoliticalAmazon]

36. Hillary's campaign is run by a box full of ferrets. n/t

[JoFerret]

79. Yes. I am furry, lovable and banned by Mayor Rudy

Be careful. I will bite you with truth serum!

[shadowknows69]

15. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha

You're just laughable

[rgbecker]

17. Hillary is confused....Thinks 97,000 a year is middle class.

Almanac shows 97,000 income puts you is in top 15% of Households.

[Johnny__Motown]

26. Yep, Barack nailed that.. only 6% make more than that.. my god she is poorly informed

[JoFerret]

110. One thing Hillary is not

is "ill-informed".

You can hate her all you want but to question her competence and mastery of policy detail is very , well, "ill-informed'. Or more likely ill-intentioned.
Whatever - wrong anyway.
Kerry was more informed than Bush - did him no good.
Gore was more informed than Bush - did him no good.

She is well informed. So is Obama.

[high density]

Yes the mastery of BS

"Oh NOOO... I would NEVER raise your taxes!! Vote for me! Tax cuts yeah yeah yeah"

She sounds like John McCain

[igor2008]

19. All Barrack has got is his memorized talking points

Hillary is totally slaughtering him.

[backscatter712]

43. Does Barack have a beard on the TV you're watching?

Because you're obviously watching the debate from Star Trek's Mirror Universe.

[JoFerret]

48. Checking

um no

[LowerManhattanite]

52. Welcome to DU!

And goodbye, as I'm sure you won't be around very long. :)

[michaz]

20. You can't be watching the same debate I am! n/t

[NJSecularist]

22. Hillary was at her pandering best during that question.

Hillary, you can't have it both ways.

[saltpoint]

23. The debate I'm watching, this evening and throughout the recent

primaries and caucuses, tells yet another tale.

[matcom]

27. can you come over and cut my grass?

obviously your are unemployed and not capable of securing lasting employment. I'll pay you weekly. It's all good.

[aquart]

100. Wow. Can I get away with saying things like that?

I've been trying to be careful.

[indimuse]

30. she is soooo

kicking his aaaaasssssssss!

[TahitiNut]

32. Thanks for the report from ClintonCloudCuckooLand.

Keep hitting that bong! :rofl:

[tishaLA]

34. Like Clinton's pardon of 2 Weather Underground members...

And then Hillary lambastes Obama for serving on a board with one of the members?

[spanone]

pass the pipe this way, please

[Dawgs]

35. You guys say the same thing during every debate... and then three days from now Obama's #'s go up.

:shrug:

[Levgreee]

37. repeat what she said and how her answer actually answers the question

she is an expert politician, she gives canned answers that are catered towards the best audience reaction, yet often largely avoid the question presented, or leave out the sordid details (like that the committee she was praising raised the payroll tax and the retirement age).

She does well at debates because she has more practice giving sound bites and leading people on, rather than actually answering questions.

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[bagimin]

39. Nice spin

[backscatter712]

40. You're enjoying the flagrantly biased hatchet job?

Obama's still getting in hits right and left despite how horribly rigged this piece of shit of a "debate" is.

[Hepburn]

41. LOL....

...she is getting eaten alive...

I guess you are too deep into denial to see and hear it.

She just BLEW the last question on hand guns...and I think I heard booing, but not sure.

[L0oniX]

44. "Screw em"

[trueblue2007]

45. Look at the GREEN line. HRC 80% and Obama is about 68%

she is Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay High and he is mediocre.

[Johnny__Motown]

51. Steph worked for her husband and she only gets a 12% lead.. my god she sucks

[JoFerret]

54. She is damn good

and you know it. Barack does.

[CatsDogsBabies]

47. You know

you can put on your shiny shoes and pretty new dress, and have everything rigged in your favor (former first lady, etc. etc. etc.) but if it is not for you, it is not for you. I hope this primary is over next week. She's yelling again.

[quiet.american]

50. Thanks for the laugh! nt

[baldguy]

53. You lost this:

:sarcasm:

[TexasObserver]

55. Delusion seems to be the common thread of Hillary and her supporters.

Hillary has never wiped the floor with anyone, and she never will.

Pull the cord on her back, and hear her tape recorded responses.

[BlueJac]

57. Quit being so bitter

[csorman]

59. Dreeeeeeaaaam. Dream dream dreaaaaam, dreeeee-eee-eee-eee-eeam...

[Orsino]

60. Gee. Your opinon was change so much by listening to part of one debate?

What a revelation this must have been.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

62. Pass the Delusion Bong!

[merh]

63. did you start the drinking game early?

:shrug:

[Mezzo]

64. I think they are both holding their own quite nicely, but he looks tired.

[GoesTo11]

65. She has mastered the details of quotes from Rev. Wright

and bitter and flagpins. Perhaps she should put more time into thinking about policy and not about negative attacks ...

[Citizen_Penn]

66. Your posery is laughable.

It is clear that nothing of reality reaches your brain.

This is a senseless post, your candidate is over.

Hillary behaved better tonight than you have.

[hollowdweller]

67. I'd give Hillary a slight lead.

I thought she showed zero class with her comments on the Bittergate, Weather and Wright stuff. Obama took the high ground and took up for her over the Bosnia thing where she couldn't resist the cheap shots. Obama won that part.

On the issues part I think Hillary is giving more coherent responses overall.

However I would characterize this as the "Republican talking points gotcha commentators against the Democratic candidates" rather than Clinton vs Obama.

This debate shows why the primary has gone on too long. It does the eventual nominee or even the party issues no good to allow these guys to hit the candidates with right wing bs.

[susanwy]

86. agreed!

This is what pisses me off so much!!! The media spent 2/3 of the debate focusing on non-issues (Bittergate, Wright, Bosnia), but very little time on ISSUES. Makes me want to puke. Hillary clearly has a better command of the issues, hands down. But, the average voter will not care, they want the blood.

Full disclosure - I'm still undecided between the two.

[Jamastiene]

69. Recommended and

:kick:

[Dawgs]

71. Did you miss the part where she admitted lying?

Or were you just ignoring it?

[Marie26]

73. She excels in debates

Especially old-fashioned Lincoln/Douglas type debates. I'm sorry I missed it.

[JoFerret]

74. All hype aside

Hillary was better at dissembling and evading too.

e.g. as on gun control.

[Mezzo]

77. I thought so too.

[JoFerret]

84. She is just better at the job

From the mastery of policy detail to the need to dissemble.

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[zulchzulu]

81. Pretty subjective on your part...

How did she even smash Bush on economics?

She lost.

[JoFerret]

112. It was my opinion after all

So of course it was subjective.

And I think you probably do realize that Hillary's grasp of economics (and what needs to be done to turn the Bush economy around) are detailed and thorough. In fact - they are almost identical to Obama's.

[shayes51]

83. She was very strong, and he looked weak and tired.

[kikiek]

85. She certainly did. She is articulate, smart, and concise. Obama lacks all of those things.

[frazzled]

87. Oh yeah, that Reagan Commission argument she gave was a real winner

Obama ate her for breakfast on that one: that commission raised the retirement age and raised payroll taxes. Oops.

Her attempt to link Obama to the Weather Underground was another blow well delivered (not): she got the boomerang reminder that hubby made presidential pardons for two members of that group.

[SoCalDem]

88. He knows exactly what he's doing...

beating her

[AX10]

91. Hillary is the only one tha can lead this nation!

She is far better than McCain and Obama!

[StevieM]

92. I love Hillary and wish that was true, but I just didn't see it. To me, it was just another debate

Nobody won or lost. Nothing big happened. I don't see all the fuss or excitement.

If Hillary wins big in PA it will be because of the "bitter" comments. If Barack wins then it will probably be because of the Casey endorsement.

I doubt this debate will have any impact at all, other then it might pressure Barack to take the NC debate if the ratings are good. Network debates will be watched by more people then cable debates.

Steve

[Justitia]

94. Thanks Baghdad Bob! Glad to see you're back from Iraq! -eom

[EFerrari]

97. LOL!

:rofl:

[Catherina]

99. You're going to cry bitter, bitter tears when the PA Primary results come in

but what else is new my dear?

[aquart]

102. So you utterly begrudge even the smallest victory now?

How completely charming of you. How much we all have to look forward to.

[Catherina]

103. That's really dense. You think that was a victory?

Have you looked at any of the online polls or read any articles from serious papers? She just buried herself even further.

Everytime you cackle with glee that he had to run through one of her gauntlets, it backfires on her. Her numbers aren't even sinking now, they're tanking and instead of helping her, you encourage her in the delusion. I couldn't pay the HRC campaign enough hard cold cash to help him more than they already are.

It's a sad spectacle to see people who supposedly support her cheering everytime she makes her own situation worse.

But go for it, you have my full encouragement. I'd be devastated if you changed strategy and actually started "helping" her.

[Moochy]

101. She's a master of Implications .. Innuendos and Smears...Guilt by Association great Job!

[Catherina]

105. Did you see this brilliant summary?

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For those who didn't see, the debate in a nutshell

Mod: Senator Clinton, how do you feel about Iraq?
Hillary: I feel we should leave.

Mod: Senator Obama, why do you hate America?
Obama: I love America, it's been good to me.

Mod: Senator Clinton, do you feel that poor people should have more money?
Hillary: Absolutely

Mod: Sen. Obama, when was the last time you and Reverend Wright plotted to blow up an Embassy?
Obama: Can't we just talk about the issues instead of this tabloid stuff?

Mod: Senator Clinton, what is your kitten agenda
Hillary: I feel kittens are soft and fluffy and should be cared for.

Mod: Senator Obama, someone you went to grade school with was arrested 8 years ago for kicking a kitten. Why do you hate kittens?
Obama: How is this relevant at all?

Mod: Senator Clinton, tell us exactly how brave you were in overcoming your husband's adultery?
Hillary: i was very brave. God helped me.

Mod: Senator Obama, it's all over the internet that you are an evil Muslim elitist terrorist. Why are you an evil Muslim elitist terrorist?
Obama: I'm not. And weren't you just asking me about my CHRISTIAN pastor?
Mod: The one you blow up embassies with?
Obama: What? Are you serious.

Mod: We have to take a commercial. Senator Clinton, we realize that we haven't paid enough attention to you and we deeply apologize.
Hillary: Quite alright.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5541695

If you like it, go recommend. And check your real e-mail in about 5 minutes.

[New Dawn]

104. She also voted for the Iraq War

And for war with Iran.

[casus belli]

106. Hanging on to your Mondale bumper sticker too?

Stick a fork in her, she's done. Since February.

[Raine]

107. In your dreams...

:boring: :rofl:

[goletian]

109. hahaha. wipes the floor with barack then eats off of it.

gives her food that nice presidential flavor she so passionately craves.

[RichardRay]

114. Drive by molehill?? n/t

[haymakeragain]

115. You're full of shit.

The debate was a waste of time. Might have well have been the RNC up there asking the questions.

[Bensthename]

116. Kind of like how the ugliest dog competition winner is called cute.

All through the eyes of the beholder. Yah she talked about how her husband did some good. But she had nothing of her own. And she was knocked back on several questions.
I call it for Obama. He made lemons to lemonade last night.