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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:15 PM
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Obama's FLAG PIN is Fair Game, but Clintons' Millions from Colombia, Dubai, Saudi Arabia Is Not?
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 10:08 PM by Stephanie
The MILLIONS Bill is collecting from foreign entities and billionaire American cronies (Giustra, Burkle) goes into their joint assets which Hillary then taps whenever her campaign needs another $5 million. In effect, foreign governments and special interests are financing her campaign by funneling money to her through sweetheart deals with her husband.

But those questions are never raised because we are too busy asking Obama why he doesn't wear a FLAG PIN on his fucking lapel and querying why he knows somebody who used to be a 60s radical. When will the CLINTONS' shady associations, who are lining their pockets, be fair game? It's maddening.

WATCH LISA MYERS' REPORT ON THE CLINTONS' SHADY FINANCES!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24063294#24063294





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/08/bill-clintons-ties-to-col_n_95651.html?page=5

Bill Clinton's Ties To Colombia Trade Deal Stronger Than Even Penn's
by Sam Stein

Former President Bill Clinton has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars speaking on behalf of a Colombia-based group pushing the trade pact, and representatives of that organization tell The Huffington Post that the former president shared their sentiment.

In June 2005, Clinton was paid $800,000 by the Colombia-based Gold Service International to give four speeches throughout Latin America. The organization is, ostensibly, a development group tasked with bringing investment to the country and educating world leaders about the Colombia's business opportunities.

***

In June 2007, Clinton received an award from President Uribe for his efforts to reverse the country's image in the United States. But there may have been more of a public relations purpose to the event. At the time, ABC News reported that "the Colombia government trying to counter its negative image among Washington Democrats and secure congressional passage of a free trade agreement."

***

"It's clear that President Clinton has a chummy relationship with the Colombian president," said Lori Wallach, director of Global Trade Watch at Public Citizen, "someone whose administration is under a cloud and under investigation for associations with murderous paramilitaries, and whose administration has seen hundreds of labor unionists assassinated but not prosecuted these crimes, and whose administration has been involved in the forced displacement of thousands of Afro-Colombians. Having President Clinton be chummy with such a person, and having him be the closest adviser of Senator Clinton, is extremely disconcerting."

This was not the only time Clinton and Uribe met. According to the Wall Street Journal, the former president hosted a "philanthropic event" with the Colombian leaders in September 2005. The purpose, the paper reported, was to introduce Uribe to Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining tycoon who was interested both in mineral rights and Colombian oil, a position that lent itself to a more open-trade environment.

Months earlier, Bloomberg News reported, Giustra had lent Clinton his private jet for Clinton's four day peaking tour in Latin America - the same tour in which Clinton received $800,000 from Gold Service International. And at some point in time, Giustra - who, the New York Times reported, won a Kazakh uranium deal with Clinton's help (again putting the former president at odds with his wife's positions) - donated more than $31 million to Clinton's charitable fund.

According to The Wall Street Journal, Uribe and Giustra "sat in the hallway speaking for about ten minutes. A Clinton aide later told Giustra the meeting had gone well." And indeed, last year a Canadian company that Giustra's investment firm advised successfully acquired oil fields in Colombia.



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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:16 PM
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1. Nor her "Screw 'em" comment......
Somehow, they "oops" forgot about that! :eyes:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:12 PM
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14. Doubt they had time to vet the source.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:18 PM
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2. The lady asking about the flag pin pissed me off.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:18 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
Hey, lady, are you rich? Do you have health care? Are none of your relatives in Iraq?

No? Then why the good goddamn hell do you care about a fucking flag pin, you twit? :mad:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:35 PM
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3. It's not her. It's the people who CHOSE her question to be asked.
THAT's who's culpable. That poor lady is just a victim of a pervasive, deliberate misinformation campaign, aided and abetted by ABC.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:38 PM
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5. I think she's culpable as well.
I'm sick of idiots voting. Anyone who puts the flag above the Constitution is seriously unbalanced.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:49 PM
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11. I couldn't help it - I pictured her wearing a purple heart band-aid in 2004.
Sorry, I don't think that woman was any Democrat.

And as an American her priorities are whacked.
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Torgo Johnson Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:18 PM
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16. I am willing to bet...
that at least half the questioners were Republicans.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:41 PM
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22. By that I suppose you mean the journalists?
Because that fact was apparent. They want Hillary.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:37 PM
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4. Obama needs to hit her on this SOOOO hard. It hits her dynasty as well.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:39 PM
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6. and she isn't wearing a damned pin either
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:41 PM
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7. EXACTLY. WHERE IS HER FUCKING FLAG PIN?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:47 PM
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10. It's a load of crap
If this is what the dem nominee will face in the General Election then our nominee should tell ABC to go take a flying leap off the peak of Cinderila's castle.

:grr:

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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:43 PM
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8. Hillary is the GOP's candidate of choice
they have to prop her up and to do that they need to destroy Obama. I'd say ABC's strategy tonight was to take him down a peg or three.

You know, didn't Charlie Gibson boast a few days ago he knew what Hill's answers would be on all the questions? No damn wonder, they were probably feeding them to her in advance.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:45 PM
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9. The whole REASON this BITTER thing was pushed forward
Was because of Lisa Myers' EXCELLENT report on the Clintons' dubious finances on MSNBC last week. It was BURIED by BITTERGATE when it should have been the FOCUS of this week's discussion.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:51 PM
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12. They don't want to anger the corporate types but instad rile the folks who believe
wearing a flag pin is what determines if one is patriotic or not. :eyes:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:13 PM
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15. Precisely
There should be a law. Oh wait! There used to be...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:20 PM
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17. we buried a guy today in my town that once said
"we have a lot of flags but we have only one constitution"...this was his comment on flag burning

he was a ww2 marine who was a ultra conservative republican till the day he died..hell he probably still is

the "pin" is such a load of shit
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:08 PM
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13. Guess that's because it wasn't about Hillary.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 10:10 PM by guruoo
You're right about the flag pin.
That non-issue has already been covered to death.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:25 PM
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18. DOES HILLARY WEAR A FLAG PIN?
NO.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:29 PM
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20. That was blaintent sexism on the mod's part, for sure!
:rofl:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:28 PM
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19. Sigh...great post
fucked up country though...

K&R
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:33 PM
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21. BeyondFuckedUp
FUBAR
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:42 PM
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23. I am sorry but with food riots in several parts of the world
the flag pin is not fair game
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:22 PM
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24. um, YEAH
It's fucking outrageous.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:39 PM
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25. Don't forget
CHINA..
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:51 AM
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27. Of course. China.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:40 PM
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26. Flagpins arent sexist.. don't you know that?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:33 AM
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28. I agree with you there is at least the appearance of a conflict of interest
in these deals and they are FAR more significant than whether Obama sat on a board with a man, who is currently a well respected professor of English at an Illinois University. Far more important than words said - no matter how impolitical. What HRC ignores is that trying to make Obama look unelectable doesn't make her electable. (If the Clintons were concerned that the Democrats needed someone with little baggage and experience - they shouldn't have stabbed Kerry in the back or called for Gore to run)

The scary thing on this Colombia money is asking yourself, "what did it buy?" Bush is confident enough that he sent it OVER THE HEADS OF THE COMMITTEES WITH JURISDICTION and without even the workers' rights provisions in the Peru deal.

(Kerry's comments:
BOSTON – Senator John Kerry sent a letter today to President George Bush, expressing his disappointment that the President sent an incomplete Colombian Free Trade Agreement to Congress for an immediate up or down vote.

“This trade deal is a slap in the face to thousands of people in Colombia who have been killed just trying to exercise the right to organize, and yet President Bush has refused to allow the proper Congressional committees even to have a voice in the process and negotiate improvements,” said Senator Kerry. “To unilaterally force an up or down vote on a bill negotiated solely by the Bush Administration is more than a mistake, it’s an outrage. I strongly urge the President to reconsider his position, and allow us to work together on trade.”

(from the letter)
As you are undoubtedly aware, it is a matter of standard procedure that the congressional committees of jurisdiction be permitted the opportunity to register concerns with legislation prior to it being filed under trade promotion authority. To sidestep this critical negotiating step by unilaterally forcing an up or down vote on a bill negotiated solely by the Administration is an abuse of trade promotion authority, and frankly justifies abandoning any effort to reestablish that privilege for the remaining months of your Administration.

Several objections that have been raised against the legislation deserve your attention, and must be addressed prior to consideration of the agreement. At the top of the list is the persistent violence waged against trade unionists in Colombia. Twelve union members have been killed this year alone, and over the past twenty years more than 2,500 have lost their lives exercising a right considered to be fundamental to America’s workers.

http://kerry.senate.gov/cfm/record.cfm?id=295872

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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:58 AM
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29. If she wants to play hardball...
I say bring it on!!! I know Obama doesn't want to go there and neither do the American people, but if the GD media does then it should be easy........unless.........Oh shit.......Media is in the tank
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