Obama WON tonight in a BIG way. HRC's lie to supers 'Obama can't win' was forced into

[blm]

the open.

Hillary was put in the position of having to VERY PUBLICLY knock down her OWN BIGGEST REASON to the supers for staying in this race without the math, and did it in front of THAT national audience of supers who were listening to every word.

Obama won tonight - - and won BIG!

Everything else is secondary.

[BeatleBoot]

1. Spin it Baby!

:rofl: :rofl:

Can I throw some Tide in with my laundry?

You just watched the foreshadowing of November.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. At least you admit Obama will be in the running in November.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BeatleBoot]

4. If

Much virtue in If.

- - William Shakespeare

[blm]

21. and MORE virtue in truth.

-blm-

[FrenchieCat]

3. We'll see who'll be laughing last.........last I check the math is still what it is

Period.

[KAZ]

8. Don't reply to that asshat. That's all it wants. Reply up-thread.

[blm]

5. It's the unvarnished TRUTH to what actually happened tonight. You know it, but can't admit it.

.

[psychopomp]

30. It is the top story at yahoo.com

Clinton emphatically says Obama can win White House

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

PHILADELPHIA - Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat.

"Yes, yes, yes," she said when pressed about Obama's electability during a campaign debate six days before the Pennsylvania primary.

/snip
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080417/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate

[blm]

43. It doesn't matter WHAT the pundits say about it, THIS was the biggest takeaway

from the debates - PERIOD!

[psychopomp]

48. Yes, yes,

YES!

[goletian]

42. spin? hillary killed her own argument, theres no spin there. its the truth. - nt

[KAZ]

6. Self delete.

[Cha]

9. I can't wait until the fucking

ignore list gets up and running again.

[Liberal Gramma]

17. Is THAT what's wrong?

I thought we just had a lot more nasty people in GD-P tonight. I didn't think to check to see if I already had them on ignore (I probably do.)

[Cha]

20. Everytime we get so Busy..

we get the lying-hilary sycophants back.

[knixphan]

41. yeah, just figured that out...oh well

[ampad]

36. Tell me about it

[BeatleBoot]

11. You tell 'em!!!

[BeatleBoot]

12. Self delete?

Aw Come On...

Groweth A Spine!

[KAZ]

15. Look up-thread dick with ears.

[BeatleBoot]

18. Aw, now you hurt my feelings.

:rofl:

[uponit7771]

7. True, when looking into the larger light the SDs should be able to see he handles fustration better

...than what HRC supporters are saying

[Zachstar]

10. Yes she admitted but damn she had to be basically forced too at a fucking debate!

I don't consider that fair at all. They both had to run all around the place to keep up with the fuckers of mods.

[blm]

14. Doesn't matter - the audience of Supers is all that matters at this point.

ABC is a fascist tool. And they were gunning for Obama.

But......Obama won.

[Zachstar]

29. If the supers go simply becasuse of this then ABC wins.

Im sorry but fuck no!

Obama was on his way to victory before this and even tho I thought the floodgates were open, Senator Clinton needs to have a chance to atleast try to PA,

Yes Obama won and will win the nomination. No need for BS to define the way.

[blm]

44. Supers leaning Obama anyway but who've HELD OFF because of HRC's pleadings

heard her declare loud and clear that Obama is indeed electable over McCain.

It's not that THIS statement is the only reason - and that was never even implied in my post - but it will be a contributing factor to supers who we already know have been leaning to Obama in greater numbers than for Clinton. She was forced publicly to refute her biggest reason for staying in and THAT will not be lost on anyone still hovering between the two.

[ORDem]

33. That just made it all the better IMHO. How the hell is she going to spin "Yes. Yes. Yes"?

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

13. The supers are not naive. They know she couldn't publicly say he is unelectable

[blm]

19. Poor Hillary was forced to lie on television? Poor Hillary..............HAH.

I am sure the supers are saying the exact same thing.......poor Hillary - forced to lie on television - yet again.

I'd say they prefer No Drama Obama.

[jackson_dem]

23. Obama despises Clinton (reportedly) yet he says nice things about her in debates

It is politics.

[blm]

24. Not to the supers. And THAT is why Obama won tonight.

Many people in the Dem party are tired of being PLAYED by the ungrateful, selfish Clintons.

[jackson_dem]

31. As stated earlier, the supers are not politically naive

When McSame was asked if he disliked Romney guess what his response was? Hint: he didn't say what he privately says.

[ORDem]

35. This is true. They are not naive. They know which side their bread is buttered on, and if you think

they would switch based on an argument of unelectability when Obama has the delegate and pop. vote lead just because Hillary is telling them something privately, which she fervently disavowed it on national television, then you are the one who is naive. They would be roasted alive at the polls.

[jackson_dem]

38. Another netroots "fact". If that were so they would shut this down tomorrow

[blm]

52. No they wouldn't - they'd wait till after Pennsylvania or NC where Obama wins a BLOWOUT

the size of which Hillary had expected to get in Penn...........but won't.

Then the remaining supers will hang their hat on the size of the victory in NC.

[Zhade]

39. Nothing new with her, lying is as easy as breathing for clinton.

And the world has seen the ironclad evidence of her lies.

[wileedog]

34. FOr the Supers to turn the election THEY have to tell the VOTERS that Obama is un-electable.

How are they going to do that when Hillary just proclaimed on national TV that he is?

[rox63]

55. So she's either lying in public or lying to the SDs in private

Which one is it?

[Ysabel]

16. yeah on that point / otherwise / well it's a given ABC is a farce as is all mainstream media...

p.s. k and r on that point and also hell yes it's a given he is winning by far clinton is a farce too (and much worse)...

[blm]

22. Mainstream media is a fascist tool - nothing more. That's the battle we have to have.

.

[Ysabel]

27. yep...

[StevieM]

25. No, that's just talking points. The SDs must use their own judgement as to who they think

the best, and most electable nominee is. End of story.

Hillary and Barack may well go to the convention. Who ever gets the most delegates there wins.

Obama lost an opportunity tonight to claim an entitlement to the nomination by winning the PDs. He tacitly accepted that the SDs had the right to vote however they wished. That was kind of big, in my mind.

But who knows? I think that by the time the race finished on June 3 we will have a better sense of where we stand. If Obama wins PA outright then the race is over.

The average voter isn't too focused on some exchange over whether one Democrat thinks the other Democrat can win. And the SDs are going to make their own judgement about the electability of the candidates, not be locked into a decision based on a forced "endorsement" made in a situation where she had to be respectful.

No one won tonight's debate...it was fairly routine. Obama's best moment was on Social Security, I thought he handled it well. Hillary got her response cut to 5 seconds by the mods going to commercial.

Steve

[ORDem]

37. OMG, dish out some more apple pie for yourself! LOL. Do you really

for one second think that these SDs are that altruistic? The vast majority of them are politicians looking after their own skin. The perception of themselves by their public is what they're worried about, first and foremost. If there's even a hint that they stole this primary for HRC they will burn in political hell.

[Willo]

26. Damn, he got jumped!

I know some call it being "vetted". Like those eight Floridian teens "vetted" their friend.

Hillary made a cameo appearance at the Ambush Debate.
But, Obama, kept his cool and remained unflappable.

After April 22 and we can get on with the business of the presidency.

[TheDonkey]

28. Watching now. Hillary was slammed for her "bittergate" slimes. Go Obama!

[blm]

54. Obama did have a great answer on that. Those worried about the constant attacks on Obama shouldn't

be - he did just fine.

[ORDem]

32. K!

:kick:

[krkaufman]

40. That *was* a rather big admission ...

... putting her campaign back several attacks... err.... weeks.

[madrchsod]

45. sorry --no one won last night

we all lost because nothing was said about what we care about...jobs and healthcare

[blm]

47. True - but, since the primary math now is all about the supers, I stand by my conclusi

.

[ProSense]

46. Paraphrasing HIllary: "Yes. He. Can."

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: But the question is, do you think Senator Obama can do that? Can he win?

SENATOR CLINTON: Yes. Yes. Yes.

[blm]

49. heh...sounds like a great poll question for DU - Do you agree with HRC that Obama

can win? heh

[SeaLyons]

50. Great Spin....

The supers are watching. They will come to their own conclusions on Obama's electability.

[blm]

51. They will - and it won't be the conclusion Hillary's been lying and begging for, will it?

.

[kentuck]

53. If I were a Super Delegate...?

I would ask: "Which is it? Can he win or can he not win? Make up my mind."