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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:50 PM
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Oh noes -- Obama gets hard questions.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:59 PM by zlt234
All of this outrage is pretty comical. Why? Not because what ABC did was right. But because when the EXACT SAME THING happened to Clinton, OVER AND OVER AND OVER again, all you ever saw on this forum was people waiting for the waaaaaaaaaaaambulance.

When Tim Russert spent half of a debate with 8 candidates asking **personal** negative questions about Clinton, when she was the front-runner, the attitude here was "good for Russert." Same in the second Russert debate. Same in the disgusting media bias against her before and after Iowa.

It's pretty interesting to see how everyone changes their reaction completely when the tables turn.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:51 PM
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1. Very True - indeed it will be worse in the debates for the general
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:17 PM
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19. Funny how none of the debates..
How many have there been?..were like this one. I wonder why that is.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:52 PM
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2. They were substanceless questions
not hard one. Bittergate, Flag-pins, 60s radical and Wright story which is a dead horse by now. It was absurd.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:53 PM
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5. And you really think Russert's gotchas against Clinton in the debate before Iowa were substantive??
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:54 PM
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9. What, he said like one or two things in Iowa?
The first forty minutes of that debate was crap.
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:59 PM
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16. both are out of line
even bringing up Bosnia. I'm sick of the moderators trying to make a name for themselves thru a gothcha question. The debates are not about the f'en moderators.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:15 PM
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18. I didn't watch the Iowa debate.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:52 PM
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3. They weren't hard questions-- they were worthless questions.
Huge difference.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:53 PM
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4. Greatest hits flamebait
Everybody in my ignore list is popping in for an appearance tonight.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:53 PM
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6. Russert was going after her mainly on Iraq. That's not personal
and it's not substanceless.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:54 PM
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7. HARD QUESTIONS? FLAG PINS ARE STUPID QUESTIONS.
If you thought tonights debate was worthwhile, you need help.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:54 PM
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8. Apparently you're a Clinton supporter? You approve of the way they treated her this evening?
Amazing. With supporters like you, who needs enemies?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:57 PM
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14. NO.
Did you read the sentence where I said that it wasn't that what ABC did was good?

I'm saying they have been doing the same thing for Clinton for months, and there has been no outrage. Now they are doing it to Obama, and look at front page of GDP.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:55 PM
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10. Hillary got some hard questions tonight too - but they were GOTCHA questions.
No questions about health care.
No questions about the environment.

45 minutes dealt to GOTCHA questions.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:56 PM
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11. Had nothing to do with nothing
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:56 PM
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12. Boy, if by some miracle Hillary should get the nomination
I will make a point of laughing hysterically every time people here get upset over what the MSM will be doing to her. It would at least go part of the way toward making up for the disappointment.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:57 PM
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13. Seems to me that both side would agree that this was the worst-moderated debate...
... in the history of debates.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:58 PM
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15. I think it's at least tied for being the worst.
But the point is there was no outrage when the bad moderating was against Clinton.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:00 PM
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17. That's because Russert at least focused on real issues
These guys spent the entire first hour on bullshit.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:30 PM
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20. No. He got stupid questions.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:46 PM
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21. That's why my term for the Obama supporters on this board is:
HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They trash Hillary worse than the Freepers and relished the debates where she was trashed by the moderators. Now they cry because Barry got a couple of semi tough questions????

Please, too funny!! Just as weak as their candidate, Hillary got more guts than Obama will ever have.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:48 PM
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22. Whoa. Hardcore.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:49 PM
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23. Hardcore stupid.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:02 PM
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28. You must be talking to yourself.........
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:30 PM
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44. Sorry, I should have responded to you first instead of snarking.
But your post is ludicrous. The piercing whine is like an angry boiling teakettle with the lid rattling.

Both candidates were treated abysmally by ABC's piss-poor moderators and the guttersnipe questions thrown at the senators.

I have a guilty remaining thread of deep affection for Clinton, even after all this. I've started to despise myself for it in a vague sort of way. Especially when I see your brand of fawning phobic support for Clinton. Or maybe your agenda is simply based on your obviously deep distaste for Obama.

I didn't like seeing either candidate put through such a vulgar travesty. Obama may be the anti-Christ, the plague, the heathen, the enemy or some other breathless little pretext for yet another orgasm of your venom. I don't understand your attitude any more than I understand the attitude of conservatives I argue with.

This is serious stuff, and you're just using it as an excuse for some sort of weird spin. You remind me of the last few Trotskyites on campus back in '74. "Hopeless" is the word I used to describe them. It suits you, too.

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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:51 PM
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24. i hope obama wins the nomination and the GE, and i've done no such thing
so am i still a HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:03 PM
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29. He won't win the GE.
Not when so many of her supporters say that they won't vote for him.

:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:06 PM
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31. Well, who would be surprised? Clinton is tearing this party apart,
you all just follow her destructive petty lead.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:13 PM
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36. Nope, we just think that she's a better candidate. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:16 PM
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39. Nope, you do much more than that and noxiously.
And it is right in line with your role model.

I thought Dennis was a better candidate and I didn't need everyone to agree with me and I didn't need to attack people who didn't.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:20 PM
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41. Attack anyone? I spend 3/4 of my time here defending Hillary
and her supporters from the attacks of the Obama fans.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:57 PM
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48. And consistently you do your "defending" by spewing ichor.
Wrapping yourself in this self-righteous garb is fooling no one.

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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:53 PM
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25. I defended Clinton over Russert's stupid questions, so you can shove the "hypocrite" name-calling.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:05 PM
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30. You must be the exception.
The only thing I have read here for many weeks is sheer vitriol against Hillary and her supporters. That's why the majority of them have moved on to other boards. This place should be called Obama Underground, democratic it's not.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:07 PM
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32. You should talk. I don't think I've ever read a single postive post
by you in this forum.

And plenty of us have defended Hillary when Tweety and other idiots have been mean to her.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:14 PM
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38. I spend most of my time on this board defending her against the outrageous
bull thrown at her.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:17 PM
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40. You spend most of your time on this forum gratuitously attacking other posters.
That may be your thing. We chose our own adventure.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:22 PM
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42. No I don't, I certainly didn't at the beginning.
Hillary is called every name in the book here, her supporters are also bashed, but when we defend ourselves it's gratuitous????
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:25 PM
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43. Maybe you'd do well to read over your own posts in any 24 hour period.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 11:26 PM by sfexpat2000
I do that often, especially since the primaries got so heated.

And, you're twisting words as usual. I didn't say defending yourself or your group was gratuitous. Attacking people for no reason except that they like Obama, that is gratuitous.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:14 AM
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49. I am not. By the way, if you don't like DU, feel free to leave.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:00 PM
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27. Was she asked about her pastor's patriotism? nt
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:11 PM
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34. You tell um!
I'm tired of typing the word HYPOCRITES

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:47 PM
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46. Barry?
Do you mean Barack, the one who's crushing Blondie in this race?

Now go ahead and have a hissy-fit because I called her "Blondie" ...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:32 AM
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50. Barry is his nickname and Blondie is kinda cute.
:D
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:48 PM
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47. This is the point where I would normally edit to say "dupe" ...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 11:50 PM by NanceGreggs
But in this instance, it bears repeating:

Do you mean Barack, the one who's crushing Blondie in this race?

Now go ahead and have a hissy-fit because I called her "Blondie" ...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:59 PM
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26. Was Clinton asked about her pastor's patriotism? nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:10 PM
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33. zlt234, Let's Discuss Your Lack of Flag Pin
Are you aware that in your previous performance review, it was noted that you declined to sport the flag lapel pin? We have an alternative. If you will consent to have the flag tatooed on your clavicle, you'll be granted an exemption from GOTCHA questions in the next debate. Do you agree? All tattoos will be administered by licensed tatoo professionals under the supervision of the self-appointed determinators. Do you consent?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:11 PM
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35. I admitted that Russert was harder on Clinton last time
But I don't think it was as lopsided as it was tonight.
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PseudoIntellect Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:13 PM
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37. They didn't talk about any real issues for what, nearly an hour?
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 11:47 PM
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45. He did the right thing
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 11:47 PM by shagsak
and took the high road. He acknowledged that the questions were ridiculous and questioned why time was being wasted on them.
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