Hillary's Reviews Are In: 'The Winner,' 'Strong Presence,' 'In Her Element'

[NewHampster]

Hillary's Reviews Are In: 'The Winner,' 'Strong Presence,' 'In Her Element'



Hillary dominates Philadelphia focus group. “NYDIA HAN: The real take away is this. We now know who won the debate according to our focus group. Take a look. Senator Clinton is the debate winner, at least according to our focus group. 23% believe Senator Obama won while 50% believed Senator Clinton won.”



ABC News’ Rick Klein – ' Clinton is back to the strong presence we saw early in the cycle.'



NBC News’ Chuck Todd – Obama ‘did not have a good night.’



NBC News' Chuck Todd—Obama’s answer on Ayers and the flag ‘were simply weak.’ “His answer on Ayers and the flag question were simply weak; He seemed unprepared for them; Kinda surprising because he normally has a decent rant against "old politics" and yet "old politics" questions seemed to stump him.”



The Atlantic ’s Marc Ambinder – There's no way Obama could fared worse.

Washington Post’ Chris Cillizza— Obama ‘struggled quite a bit’ when asked about Rev. Wright. “…He struggled quite a bit more when asked to answer for Wright, his former pastor.” < Washington Post, The Fix, 4/16/08>


New York Times’ Katharine Seeyle: Hillary’s ‘in her element as she goes into details.’ "She’s becoming expansive, seemingly in her element as she goes into details; Mr. Obama does not look as thrilled to be still standing there."



Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall – Hillary ‘certainly seems more self-assured.' “She certainly seems more self-assured on the Iran question than Obama did. The question of extending an American security umbrella to Israel is very dicey. And he could clearly see he was on delicate territory.”



Philadelphia Inquirer blog – ‘Obama is again less certain, and rambles a bit.’ “Obama is again less certain, and rambles a bit when asked about the Washington D.C. gun ban. Gibson asks him to deny that he has ever advocated a complete ban on hand guns in 1996. Obama says no. But whatever the truth, no other answer is possible.” < Philadelphia Inquirer Blog, 4/16/08>



NBC News’ Matthew Berger – Obama ‘tried to have it both ways’ with Israel . “Obama's answer on an Iranian attack on Israel tried to seem to have it both ways: highlight his support for Israel but not lock him into treating an attack on Israel like an attack on the U.S. But it may have looked more like a no because it wasn't a firm yes. Clinton 's answer seemed more direct.”

[rocktivity]

1. It's easy to be in your element when you've got the moderators behind you.

:eyes:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

19. he had an off night.

[JohnnyBoots]

81. Wasn't one of them her husband's old Communications Director? Doesn't seem fair especially with

bull shit questions.

[cali]

2. still in your cage running round and round on your little wheel

and hill's still done. stick a fork in her.

[rodeodance]

9. Hill did well. No getting around it.

[Auntie Bush]

40. You Obama supporters are such sore losers.! You can dish it out...but obviously you can't take it.

[Citizen Kang]

64. Sore losers?

Look at the scoreboard....its Obama +164

[Moochy]

77. HRC Supporter Math

Similar to Rovian Math:

+164 delegates < (Lying about everything)

[rodeodance]

95. he bombed the debated -he was not prepared and muttered his way though D+ at best

[Zhade]

78. Sore winners, maybe.

She's the one who's lost. We'll remind you when it's official.

[Auntie Bush]

89. I was talking about the debate...not the election...and you know it.

No doubt about it...You'll remind us! I can depend on Obama supporters to NOT take a win gracefully. You don't have to remind me that you'll rub it in. That's a known fact...as sure and the sun will rise tomorrow morning.

[TankLV]

92. That's for sure - and this morning proves it...

anybody got some cheeze for their whine?

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[TankLV]

91. more idiotic comments from you, right on schedule...

you don't disappoint...

[EFerrari]

3. It won't matter.

:)

[rodeodance]

4. rec

[rodeodance]

5. CONGRATULATIONS TO HILLARY!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. She's a great Republican, isn't she?

I'll be so glad when ignore comes back. :puke:

[Mezzo]

66. you should know, acting like a freeper and everything. nt

it can't come soon enough for me either. :nopity:

[rodeodance]

94. kinda stupid of you to even ask. How old are you??

[dbonds]

46. The best democratic candidate that money can buy.

[Mezzo]

67. The one "raising" bundles and bundles of money is Barack Obama.

[GoesTo11]

6. Smiling smugly while knowing the fix is in - like, like, like

W

[Bonobo]

7. She was in her element all right.

She was in a fetid swamp and that's where pond-scum thrives.

[NYCGirl]

8. From Josh Marshall:

"Can Hillary just come out and embrace a culture-war, swift-boating campaign against Obama? Please? Instead of this gonzo Lee Atwater by proxy stuff? Sigh..."

Are there any questions in this debate that aren't based on Republican attacks? Is affirmative action a major issue in this campaign? Did I miss that?

Hillary: The Republicans are so bad that I have to become one to save the Democratic party.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/189473.php

[rodeodance]

16. Josh , it is obama who would seek the advice of GHWB--a REPUG on foreign policy

[SoonerPride]

21. And Clinton got all misty eyed about her hubby and GHWB after the Tsunami

Remember?

They're all real chummy with the Bushes. lest you forget.

[thevoiceofreason]

10. And the bitter comment will kill the Obama campaign!

[kid a]

11. dreamworld

[writes3000]

12. Hillary gave a GWB Answer on Iran. She can't single-handedly declare massive retaliation.

Presidents don't single-handedly declare war, dummy.

Berger's analysis is idiotic.

No suprise.

[SoxFan]

13. The usual Hill Shills

Marshall, Cilizza, and especially the noxious Klein can always be counted on to spout the Clinton line.

[rodeodance]

20. and KO and tweety and .ect ect are the obama shrills--spouting the Obama line.

[kikiek]

14. She was brillant. No matter what anyone here says. It is simple. She showed up. He didn't.

[Name removed]

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[rodeodance]

18. HS bully response.

[thevoiceofreason]

60. Sorry rodeo, you seem to be the one who is a bit delusional

That's ok. We'll work together for Barack in a few months. No harm, no foul.

[Beacool]

86. I think that now you're the delusional one.

Work for Obama.......

:rofl:

[WillyToad]

70. waaaaaaaaaaaambulance

[ShortnFiery]

17. If you're into "self-righteous warmongering" then HRC is your candidate.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

23. Hillary had a good night. Suck on that.

[NewHampster]

26. Hey Rodeo - Our night to endulge

[Nedsdag]

33. No wonder!

You guys are so high on Hillary, she could've put her head on the podium for the whole debate and you'd still say she did great.

[rodeodance]

36. you bet.

[IndianaGreen]

22. Hillary spoke of nuking Iran. That's not strength, that's neocon insanity!

What did Hillary mean about "massive retaliation" and permanent US umbrella in the Middle East? A point noted by Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Pat Buchanan.

The term "massive retaliation" was coined during the Cold War to describe an American nuclear strike against an aggressor. Has Hillary gone further than Dick Cheney in tying the US to permanent warfare in the Middle East?

[Medusa]

25. She is a NeoCon

[WillyToad]

71. The cold war ended 20 years ago

Wake up and smell the present

[dbonds]

24. Obama stumbled?

Well he did look like he couldn't believe they kept talking about meaningless crap. I think there was a moment wondered if he had wound up in the movie idiocracy. But he did handle the questions well. Clinton looked shifty and not believable.

[Auntie Bush]

37. Talk about being biased!

Hillary WON!

[dbonds]

45. Not according to the poll on ABC News website. She lost big.

[sudopod]

27. Notice that they focus on how the answers were delivered

rather than their content.

All that matters is that the President be a direct, take-charge kind of guy, amirite? We wouldn't want some waffling liberal to get elected, now would we?

[TankLV]

96. let me see - the purpose of a debate is to ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THE BEST

so when your candidate blows it bigtime, blame the QUESTIONS!!!

got it...

the questions were lame - and should have been expected, except that nobody DARED ask the "saint" such questions earlier, and he and his staff here all thought they were all "done" because - well - THEY said so...even tho they STILL haven't successfully answered "those" questions...

sorry. Welcome to the REAL world. The CRAP world.

If you can't handle the heat, not matter what the source, maybe you should DROP OUT and spare us the agony...

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[sudopod]

102. LOL

That had nothing to do with what I said. :p

[Beacool]

29. She did great!!!!!!!!!!

I was so proud of her!!!!!!!!!

And yes, she looked and sounded presidential.


:bounce:

[TankLV]

97. Yes, she did, as always, didn't she!

[Lannigan]

30. K&R

:kick:

[dailykoff]

31. These lists are getting shorter and shorter.

Have they been cutting back at Camp Clinton?

[ProSense]

35. Hillary's campaign picks up any little comment it can find and delivers them out of context as

praise for her performance during the entire debate. One of my favorite parts:

SENATOR OBAMA: I'm going to have to respond to this just really quickly, but by Senator Clinton's own vetting standards, I don't think she would make it, since President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me --

AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Applauds.)

MR. GIBSON: Please.

SENATOR OBAMA: -- than me serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago.

Look, there is no doubt that the Republicans will attack either of us. What I've been able to display during the course of this primary is that I can take a punch. I've taken some pretty good ones from Senator Clinton. And I don't begrudge her that. That's part of what the political contest is about.

I am looking forward to having a debate with John McCain, and I think every poll indicates that I am doing just as well, if not better, in pulling together the coalition that will defeat John McCain.

And when it comes to November, and people are going into the polling place, they're going to be asking, are we going to go through four more years of George Bush economic policies; are we going to go through four more years of George Bush foreign policy?

And if we as Democrats and if I as the nominee have put forward a clear vision for how we're going to move the country forward, deal with issues like energy dependence, lower gas prices, provide health care, get our troops out of Iraq, that is a debate that I'm happy to have and a debate that I'm confident I can win.

MR. GIBSON: And Senator Clinton, I'm getting out of balance in terms of time.

SENATOR CLINTON: I've noticed. (Laughs.)

MR. GIBSON: And you're getting shortchanged here. And so if you want to reply here, fine. If you want to wait, we'll do it in the next half hour.

SENATOR CLINTON: We can wait.

link

[dailykoff]

39. Neocon talking point orgy.

I'm watching it now and she's humping 911, Wright, and bitter in the same sentence. :crazy:

[MannyGoldstein]

32. Shit - I Hope I Can Re-Reserve A Tux For Her Inaugural

I just canceled the reservation today. ^&$#.

[Stephanie]

34. DOES HILLARY WEAR A FLAG PIN?

[rodeodance]

38. obama did ------tonight.

[Stephanie]

43. No he did not. Is there no limit to the pettiness of your lies?

link

[ej510]

50. Neither Hillary or McCain wear a flag pin.

It's a race issue. The closer the brutha gets to the nomination the more racial bullshit that they will bring up.

[rodeodance]

41. Thanks for the post

[StevieM]

42. I love Hillary, but I just don't see what is making people say that

I watched the entire debate. Both candidates did fine. No one had an amazing night. No one made a terrible mistake. It was routine and predictable. Maybe I am just so frustrated by the whole campaign, and the unfair way I think Hillary has been treated, that I can't see victory when it happens. But I thought the best moment of the debate was Obama's words on Social Security (pointing out that the '83 commission raised taxes and the retirment age) while Hillary got a 5 second response before they cut to commercial.

In the end I think the election will turn on the "bitter" comments and whether they play or not. We can't really say based on polling since the polling has consistently been wrong throughout this campaign.

I thought they let Obama off the hook for the fact that he quite clearly sent supporters to a Hillary rally to boo her--I can't imagine a single member of the press core doesn't know that he did that. Your own supporters at a rally don't boo you at a rally unless you suddenly make a racial epithet or call for dropping a hydrogen bomb on Canada.

Steve

[democrattotheend]

74. It wasn't a Hillary rally

It was a forum in front of a neutral audience. I believe it was the American Manufacturers' Association.

[totodeinhere]

44. Why did you cherry pick only pro Clinton comments? That's not fair.

[ExtraGriz]

47. i havent seen him do this bad since the ohio debate....

he tanked tonight, and tanked bad.

[TankLV]

99. HEY!!!

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[libbygurl]

48. There you have it - HC's clear, lucid talk vs. BO's 'uh, uh, uh, me, me, I, I, uh, uh, uh.' LOL!

[anonymous171]

49. Yes. Clearly neoconservative.

[GoldieAZ49]

52. He makes Bush look like a competent speaker nt

[Beacool]

87. Funny, someone from CBS was saying that on the radio this morning.

He wondered why Obama could give a good speech, but off the stump he always stammers, hems and haws.

[GoldieAZ49]

51. Clearly she knows what to do and when to do it

Obama is clueless and has unanswerable questions hanging over his head

[Political Heretic]

54. And he's the nominee.

:shrug:

[GoldieAZ49]

56. Really? when did he get get 2025 delegates?

Why don't you just declare him President, why bother letting the rest of America vote, after all you're in wwwwwwwwuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvv with Obama

[Political Heretic]

62. Yawn. Keep living in your delusion.

Wake me up when we can start talking about the general. He's going to be the nominee. It doesn't take an IQ over 40 to get that. Good or bad, right or wrong, its time to start focusing on McCain.

[RiverStone]

53. Sorry, the PEOPLE strongly disagree!

Fuck the pundits.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5540760

Obama kicking ass as the winner (3 to 1) on both ABC and MSNBC polls questioning who won tonight.

[William769]

57. Is that because the poll was DUe'd?

:rofl:

And I won't even mention who started that thread RiverStone. :rofl:

[thewiseguy]

58. We are not people?

[William769]

59. Why do I keep thinking of the phrase mob mentality?

Oh yea I know why now.

[RiverStone]

72. Will you also credit DU with:

~Obama's lead in pledged delegates?
~Obama's big gains in SuperD's while Hillary has seen a net loss?
~Obama winning twice as many states?
~Obama lead of 700K in the popular vote?

Damn, I did not realize we were such the political force. :hi:

[TankLV]

100. yeah - forget all those pesky "big" states like CALIFORNIA, NY, and the rest...

after all, "space" matters...not people...

name the big states he won - oh that's right - he HASN'T!!!

[William769]

55. K&R!

Pardon the pun but she mopped the floor with him!

[GihrenZabi]

61. LOL!

What are you people talking about? Obama CLEARLY won that debate.

Clinton couldn't get a point over on him. He got several over on her.

She finally had to admit that he could win the general election. That takes a lot of wind out of her sails.

When she responded to the Pastor thing, Obama brought up her own religious gaffes. Hell, whenever she tried to pin something on him he threw it right back with a better punch.

Obama actually got people to break down and applaud for him he did so well.

Hillary just sounded tired, used up, and stale. Obama answered tough questions with good-natured aplomb and intelligent responses.

Obama totally won that debate...I'll look forward to the polls showing the result. :)

[Moochy]

63. Hooray Woot! Huzzah! Fweeep!

Hooray! :party:

Now Hillary will win 97% of all remaining contests!

[Mezzo]

65. I honestly thought Obama looked sick. on the serious. nt

[LowerManhattanite]

68. O.P. is a direct crib from Taylor “The Fluffer” Marsh's post from tonight. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

76. Clearly he is an America-hating terrorist !

Obigot hates American Americans in America as far as I know.

[fedupinBushcountry]

73. Oh really

Where is your link to the http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/">Clinton blog? " We now know who won the debate according to our focus group."

Also funny how they and you didn't include TPM's Josh Marshall other http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/189473.php">observance "8:48 PM ... Can Hillary just come out and embrace a culture-war, swift-boating campaign against Obama? Please? Instead of this gonzo Lee Atwater by proxy stuff? Sigh..."

I could care less what the fucking media and pundits have to say, they and you as a Democrat should be ashamed of this disgusting media display.

[AX10]

75. Chuck Todd and Mark Ambinder have been solidly in...

Obama's camp. This is newsworthy that they saw he had a bad night.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

79. Hillary was ace

[Raffi Ella]

80. !!!

K&R :dem:

[redqueen]

82. She didn't call them on their BS like Obama did, did she?

No wonder they love her. She plays their game right along with them.

:puke:

[JimGinPA]

83. In A Related Story...

When the 'Mystery Machine' arrived, Velma & Freddy pulled the rubber heads off Charlie Gibson & George Stephanopoulos and they found they were really Sean Hannity & Rush Limbaugh.

[Imagevision]

84. Obama was setup last night, Hillary was prept in advance, like this is

just a coincidence with Pennsylvania going down next week. Obama will bounce back, he always has he always will - that's a sign of a TRUE leader.

[Indenturedebtor]

85. Yeah it was a setup

The talking heads and snipergirl want to see this drag out as long as possible. But even she knows it's over. You should admit it too.

My one question is though, when she's McDeaths running mate will you support them or the Democrat?

[TankLV]

101. got any proof of that - or is this just more obamabot BULLSHIT as usual...

[Chulanowa]

88. In her element?

If I understand right (I missed the debates - working night shift these days), then the element of the debate was horse shit.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I really wouldn't want to state that Senator Clinton was "in her element" for this debate, because that's a pretty damn disparaging thing to say about her.

[nichomachus]

90. Her element? Petty attacks and trivial "gotchas?" Yeah -- that seems to be her element

[AtomicKitten]

93. In her element 'o slime, she flings poo like it's nobody's business.

You go, girl! How's that working out for ya?!

[Texas Hill Country]

98. Slate - She looked competent. He looked tired

http://www.slate.com/id/2189273/


She looked competent. He looked tired.
By John Dickerson
Updated Thursday, April 17, 2008, at 12:17 AM ET
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama certainly did their homework before the 21st Democratic debate. Hillary Clinton knew what had been printed in the bulletin at Obama's church, and Obama knew the details of Bill Clinton's pardons. As Sen. Obama defended himself against elitism charges, he was clever enough to sneak in a reference to Hillary Clinton's famous 1992 line about how she didn't much bake cookies. This to prove that Yale-educated lawyers have just as much out-of-touch snob baggage as Harvard-educated lawyers do. Neither candidate had read up on the D.C. gun ban before the Supreme Court—because that way, they wouldn't have to take a stand on it? And they didn't want to get too specific about Social Security reforms, but on the details of the other's political vulnerabilities, they were quick like bunnies.

-Snip-