i didnt watch debates. so really, who won. objectively, no bias

[seabeyond]

who really wond the debate.

listening....

[anonymous171]

1. Bias: Obama, b/c he talked about actual issues.

[NYCGirl]

2. McCain. NT

[BattyDem]

3. McCain

:-(

[seabeyond]

4. lol lol. you guys are silly. i knew you could do it. n/t

[crispini]

5. I know who lost: ABC

What a complete travesty of 'news'

[seabeyond]

8. they were bad huh. why i dont watch. i get pissed. not healthy n/t

[crispini]

18. Oh MAN they stunk up the place like a bad cigar.

The first 50 minutes was all tabloid trash, "gotcha" this and "gotcha" that. I mean, Rev. Wright, and flag pins, and the Weather Underground, and that Bosnia nonsense. It was complete and total codswallop. The internet had a collective nervous breakdown, we filled up ABC's automated complaint line and the operators at Disney are all sitting around going "WTF was that shit?" and have taken their phones off the hook.

[seabeyond]

24. bah hahaha. well good for you all. i was wondering what a post about weather

underground was all about. geeeez

[Zueda]

19. I guess you can say they out foxed FOX. n/t

[NJSecularist]

6. McCain won.

Hillary was a bit better than Obama, a bit sharper on her feet, but the first 50 minutes of the debate were GOTCHA questions, most of which were directed at Obama. It was a travesty. Not one single question about health care was asked. About 1 hour through, the first question about a legitimate issue (Iraq) was asked.

[GarbagemanLB]

7. Obama looked presidential, but the GOP won this debate. Both candidates were asked STUPID questions

[Cali_Democrat]

9. The corporate media, the GOP and McCain

terrible night for Dems.

[sandnsea]

10. Depends on whether you're up to be the nuclear umbrella for the ME

If not, then Obama won. I can't believe she said that and the entire Democratic Party didn't simultaneously explode.

[meow mix]

11. Mccain

[juajen]

12. Can't you tell by all these threads that it was Hillary by a mile?

It's so funny. Just go down the threads and read, and you'll see.

[seabeyond]

15. lol hence my chuckle on really.... objectively. actually i think people

are being pretty informative, objectively... on this thread. and sad.

[Arrowhead2k1]

39. If you think Hillary actually got something out of this travesty

you're fucked up and should reconsider labelling yourself as a Democratic. Seriously, this was a fucking right-wing ambush on all Democrats. McCain won this shit by a mile!

[seabeyond]

13. i thought the first few teasing about mccain. you guys are serious.

well sheeit. i expect no less from our media though.

wouldnt it be nice it our candidate would just laugh scornfully and say, you gotta be kidding.... to these media dudes.

[EFerrari]

14. Our candidates did fine, the media lost by being ridiculous.

It was a harder one than others for Clinton, because even though they went after Obama, they went after him because they are treating him like our nominee. That must have rankled for Hillary.

[seabeyond]

17. i like your post, thanks.... n/t

[ORDem]

16. Drudge, unfortunately. ABC validated his entire raison d'etre. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

20. I'm just going by the big blogs' average - seems pretty unanimous....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5538526&mesg_id=5540380

[seabeyond]

23. cookies huh??? hm. seems like everyone is pretty consistent here. thanks n/t

[EFerrari]

25. I saw / read the reaction before I saw the "debate" so

my adventure was backward but, I thought they both did fine and that they made the moderators look stupid and small. lol

Obama did fine. Clinton looked a little sad but she was still in there, pitching.

[seabeyond]

26. i am liking your pespective.... made moderators look stupid. n/t

[DearAbby]

21. McCain Won

surely the democratic candidates didnt win, nor did the American people. The entire debate can be reduced to two words...."INSIDE EDITION" Tabloid television. If anyone won tonight. It was the GOP and McCain.

[Zachstar]

22. McCain

[splat]

27. From the mass attack on ABC here, it seems Hillary must have won

Otherwise they'd be praising the questioners and saying Obama was magnificent.

[dailykoff]

28. Obama by a mile. Tweaking amateur v. seasoned pro.

No competition.

[Bucky]

29. Wow, hardly anyone is venturing to call it for their candidate

I think you gotta call that a tie.

[Justitia]

30. Karl Rove & the GOP - it was the pinnacle of their achievement over our political process.

You are lucky you missed it, it was disgusting.

I'm just so freaking embarrassed that it most likely was shown in foreign countries.

[seabeyond]

33. i cant watch any of this since media did to kerry. turned it off oct of 2004

and havent watched since. i was the 24/7 news watcher all three channels. now, nuthin. get too pissed.

[Justitia]

36. Trust me, you're not missing anything & your blood pressure is better off. -eom

[dana_b]

31. He stuttered more but I think they both did as well as can be expected.

ABC is gross. I NEVER watch this channel normally (sorry, not even "Lost")and I think I remember why.

[StevieM]

32. Seabeyond, all these people are totally wrong. Nobody won or lost the debate.

There was nothing special or horrible about it. They both did fine. Neither had a big slip-up or a big succusful moment. All this talk about biased moderators and bad questions is silly IMO. To me it was just another debate. This one focused (for the first half) on the candidates being forced to answer questions that they hadn't fully addressed--Bosnia, Wright&Ayers, etc. Their answers were fine.

The only really good/bad moment for the candidates worked in Obama's favor (and I'm a big Hillary backer). He had a great reply to something she said on Social Security and she got 5 seconds to reply before they cut to commercial. That may have hurt her slightly. But it was hardly a knockout. (Although I can't see how Obama supporters are complaining since the big decision by the moderators tonight which may have affected one of the candidates was the decision to go to commercial at that point).

I doubt this debate will change anything, other then Obama looking foolish if he turns down the North Carolina debate after the ratings for this one come out. Any debate on network television is going to get much better ratings then one on cable, I suspect. And I think that will turn up the pressure on him to take the NC debate on CBS.

Steve

[seabeyond]

34. thank you. i appreciate your post.

you get a big thumbs up

[StevieM]

37. No problem (eom)

[McCamy Taylor]

35. Hillary looked better but ABC looked the worst. Obama just looked picked on by ABC

It made Obama look frustrated and so he lashed out at Hillary a couple of times using GOP talking points and tactics that are not his usual style. Plus the moderators made a point about how his camp has been sending emails out to the press calling Hillary a liar. That had to get him bitter too. It was like they were trying to get under his skin.

[StevieM]

40. Somehow I doubt that anybody will believe that Obama was the victim of unfair treatment by the media

I think most Americans, whoever they support, accept that the press has been fairly pro-Obama. But it definitely may have hurt that Stephanopolous pointed out that his campaign had been doing what he said that he himself hadn't been doing. That may have been his worst moment. But I think it was offset by the moment on Social Security. I'm surprised that nobody here is talking about it--he clearly won that exchange.

Steve

[mcctatas]

38. no bias...

are you high? Very few of us (sadly myself included) still have that ability if recent discussions are any indication...

[Rob Gregory Browne]

41. And unscientific MSNBC poll

thinks Obama won: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24172845/