HRC won the debate because she is the best person for the job. Go HRC!

[Captain_Nemo]

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Maybe for dog catcher.

[MilesColtrane]

14. She's already got one Big Dog she's got to keep tabs on.

How much more could she take on?

[Cha]

26. NOPE...think of the poor

little doggies.

[Steely_Dan]

87. Wait, I thought she was supposed to...

be thrown out of the party.

-P

[Muttocracy]

2. for the job of political commentator masquerading as journalist? nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. She'd make a good Republican president. Just like her husband.

While I'll take a moderate repub over a crazy one like Bush, I'd prefer a Democrat.

GOBama!!

[Captain_Nemo]

6. Bama voted for Cheney'e Energy Bill and Bush's Credit "Fairness" Act. Your candidate is not liberal

phoney.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. The military industrial complex hearts your candidate. nt

[Captain_Nemo]

40. your candidate voted with Cheney on the Energy bill that gave 6 billion dollars to oil companies

Hillary voted against it. Your candidate is a charlatan.

[boppers]

95. "Gave 6 billion to oil companies" is a campaign LIE.

Some research:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/443/

Short and sweet, Hillary is complaining that Obama voted for renewable energy, increased overall industry taxes, and voted with, well, everybody who wasn't casting a symbolic-only "no" vote.

She'd prolly also complain that the following:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

...Is a 150 billion dollar "give away" to energy companies, too. We don't want the companies, oh, to have reasons to invest in our future, right?

[bridgit]

48. They will never answer that Cheney energy bill question, they stand like glitchy software...

just hanging there unable to close their empty 'cannot display page' windows while sending 'error report' after 'error report' after 'error report' after 'error report' after 'error report' after, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum infinati

They do not want to answer or understand how such a thing could have happened, they want to be at the front of the line period and that is that no questions asked

[onenote]

62. You want an answer: Here's your answer.

The energy bill in 2001 was supported by, among others, Paul Wellstone, John Edwards, John Kerry, and Max Cleland. Its opponents included Gramm, Kyl and McCain.

You really want to make that one vote an issue. Or maybe the world isn't as simple as your thinking.

[bridgit]

77. That is not the answer as to why O-B-A-M-A supported it; that answer is contained within...

his association with the energy producing concerns & interests in the state of Illinois and beyond. That is your answer. Not that everyone else did this or somebody else did that. That is your answer: Barack Obama voted for Dick Cheney's energy policy period and you guys need to get your heads around it

http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_energy_equivocations.php

You're all looking like a net full of fish on a poop deck just flopping round. It's time to grow up.

[damonm]

52. Do thy research before spouting thy manifest ignorance.

Voted AGAINST the bankruptcy bill - and Cheney's energy bill was in '01.

[Captain_Nemo]

97. Dick Cheney's Energy Bill was in 2005. and, It was Bush's CLASS ACTION FAIRNESS

This is why we have Obama in our midst. people don't READ. Here you go:

7/29/05 Vote 213: H R 6: Offered tax breaks and incentives in what supporters said was an effort to spur oil and gas companies to provide innovative wasy to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, conserve resources and reduce pollution. Barack voted YES. Hillary voted NO.


Here's more Information from Wiki:
The Washington Post contended that the spending bill is a broad collection of subsidies for United States energy companies; in particular, the nuclear and oil industries.<9>
Texas companies in particular benefit from the bill. This criticism is heightened by the fact that President George W. Bush, the House Majority Leader (Tom DeLay), and the Chairman of the House Energy & Commerce Committee (Joe Barton) were all from Texas. The fact that the bill passed 66-29 with wide support from Democrats for the bill has not calmed this criticism (a Philadelphia Inquirer editorial on July 28, 2005, suggested Congress had a "let's pass it and claim we did something" attitude).
Supporters of the bill concede that the bill will do little to lower oil prices immediately, and that any changes the bill has enacted will not happen overnight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Policy_Act_of_2005

Class Action Fairness Act:
2/10/05 Vote 9: S 5: Sought to curtail the ability of plaintiffs to file class-action lawsuits against corporations by making cases that were filed in multiple states the responsibility of federal courts. Yes Yes No

Here's more from Wiki:
Critics charged that the legislation would deprive Americans of legal recourse when they were wronged by powerful corporations. Congressman Ed Markey (D-Mass.) called the bill "the final payback to the tobacco industry, to the asbestos industry, to the oil industry, to the chemical industry at the expense of ordinary families who need to be able go to court to protect their loved ones when their health has been compromised."<2>
Critics charge that this bill will make it far more difficult to bring class action suits, and may prolong such litigation, clogging the federal courts' dockets. The act also gives the Federal government the ability to somewhat control, through judicial appointments, outcomes that were previously under state control. No Republican legislators voted against the bill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_Action_Fairness_Act_of_2005

[Captain_Nemo]

100. And since you didn't know about 200 5Dick Cheney's Energy bill. You didn't watch the SC debate.

Who is ignorant here?

[rodeodance]

18. I heard O. praised mccain and GHWB tonight!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. Clinton endorsed McCain. nt

[Captain_Nemo]

47. He praises Reagan and trashes Bill. What a great Democrat!! NOT.

[nels25]

68. I heard him state that 41's foreign policy

in regards to the collapse of the Warsaw pact nations at the end of 89 and the subsequect collapse of the overall Soviet Union was handled well (in that I think he was spot on, you know some times it might pay to give a person his due when they perform well even if overall we do not agree with them).

He also thought that his handeling of Gulf War 1 was done with reasponsibility.

He left the indication that he might listen to 41 on foreign policy issues.

Gee how about that a man who is secure enough in his views that he willing to listen to leaders in the other party who have proven to be competent in a certain area and perhaps take that into consideration when formulating his options. How refreshing, I believe that is what is know as leadership.

And you very well Hillary will never in an million years do the same, she and Bill are much to smart to need any help.

It needs to be shouted from every where: OBAMA GETS IT!!

[GarbagemanLB]

4. She's running for the nomination of the wrong party.

[Captain_Nemo]

9. He voted for Cheney's energy bill and he is backed by ethanol. You drank the Kool Aid.

[GarbagemanLB]

10. She voted for the war. You drank the kool-aid.

[Captain_Nemo]

Google the IWR and then come back and have a progressive analysis. until then,

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Captain_Nemo]

88. I love bringing up Cheney's Energy Bill - It stops the Obamabots cold. He's a republican, you see.

[Zhade]

37. She's a liar with undeniable evidence that proves it (Tuzla video, NAFTA meetings paper trail).

Sorry, you fail.

[Captain_Nemo]

44. you are so funny. nafta?? wasn't she first lady then? Dick Cheney's Energy Bill....6 billion in

tax dollars.

[IndianaGreen]

5. She is an alpha female nuclear toting cowboy itching to nuke Iran

The question was first addressed to Obama, and then to Clinton:

STEPHANOPOULOS: During the Cold War, it was the United States policy to extend deterrence to our NATO allies. An attack on Great Britain would be treated as if it were an attack on the United States.

Should it be U.S. policy now to treat on Iranian attack on Israel as if it were an attack against the United States?

CLINTON: Well, in fact, George, I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel. Of course, I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States.

But I would do the same with other countries in the region. We are at a very dangerous point with Iran. The Bush policy has failed. Iran has not been deterred. They continue to try to not only obtain the fissile material for nuclear weapons, but they are intent upon using their efforts to intimidate the region and to have their way when it comes to the support of terrorism in Lebanon and elsewhere.

And I think that this is an opportunity, with skillful diplomacy, for the United States, to go to the region and enlist the region in a security agreement vis-a-vis Iran.

<snip>

And we will let the Iranians know, that, yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation. But so would an attack on those countries that are willing to go under the security umbrella and forswear their own nuclear ambitions. And finally, we cannot permit Iran to become a nuclear weapons power. And this administration has failed in our efforts to convince the rest of the world that that is a danger, not only to us, and not just to Israel but to the region and beyond.

Therefore, we have not to have this process that reaches out beyond even who we would put under the security umbrella, to get the rest of the world on our side to try to impose the kind of sanctions and diplomatic efforts that might prevent this from occurring.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=3

[Captain_Nemo]

41. you're sexist. She's competent and ready. Barack is ready for the playground.

[nels25]

69. What makes her ready??

shoot me if you would like, but I do not see her experience as First Lady as a blanket okay for her to walk into the oval office.

Her Senate tenure would be a better argument.

But I think you come across as she is entitled to this office due to her gender?

I may end up having to vote for her because the idea of more GOP rule is more than any person should be made to tolerate.

But believe me I will take no joy in doing so, and will not be looking forward to 4 to 8 more years of Clinton's in the white house.

BTW: If you think Bill will behave himself while she reigns then I have swamp land in wonderful new development named Atlantis I would like to discuss with you.

This nation does not need any more political dynasty's

[Zhade]

7. Keep dreaming, you'll wake up once Obama's officially the nominee.

NT!

[Captain_Nemo]

45. HA HA HA HA HA HA H dick Cheney's energy bill - Barack voted for it. He's a shitbag.

[onenote]

57. HA HA HA HA Dick cheney's energy bill -- McCain voted against - He's your hero.

[onenote]

58. HA HA HA HA HA - dick Cheney's energy bill - Paul Wellstone voted for it. He's a shitbag.

That's your position, right?

BTW, I've got more.

[onenote]

59. HA HA HA HA HA - dick Cheney's energy bill - Cleland voted for it. He's a shitbag.

Have another?

[onenote]

60. HA HA HA HA HA - dick Cheney's energy bill - Kyl voted against it. He's another of your heroes.

[onenote]

61. HA HA HA HA HA - dick Cheney's energy bill - Edwards voted for it. He's a shitbag.

To you at least.

[Captain_Nemo]

80. HILLARY VOTED NO! We are the true progressives. You're a bunch of people in denial.

[onenote]

67. Calling Captain Nemo: Did you abandon ship?

Don't have a response to posts about the energy bill?

Surprised. Not.

[emilyg]

8. Yes she is.

[Captain_Nemo]

11. They have their briefs in knots because the saw the truth - and the truth hurts sometimes.

[Captain_Nemo]

15. Did you see the Abc Fuck you thread? scary stuff.

[rodeodance]

21. they blame everyone and will not admit that o. was just plain off track tonight!

[emilyg]

29. He was. At times I felt sorry for him.

[Captain_Nemo]

42. don't go all wobbly. He was furious with this debate because he is realizing he has criminal

connections. And now EVERYBODY knows!!


And

[nels25]

71. Obama = Criminal?? Okay

I suppose at this point it would be futile to ask you to lookup Travelgate or Filegate in Wikipedia.

I purposely did not choose Whitewater or Monica as their are extenuating partisan parts of those investigation that invalidate them for the points I aim to make.

In both Travelgate and Filegate, their was an amazing lack of memory when any one was asked about those dealings, in fact for being the so called smartest women in the world Hillary was highly selective in her memory.

The Special Prosecutor found that Hillary had been factually inaccurate, the only reason he could not bring charges was that their was a mass case of amnesia of so many associated with those 2 investigations.

In fact some biographers of Hillary have stated that Hillary had decided that in effect she would lie to these prosecutors because in her view she should not have been investigated.

Why? what makes her any better than me or others?? The fact that she is a Clinton and is therefore entitled??

Remember both of these matters had nothing to do with Ken Starr or the White Water imbroglio at it's beginning.

In fact Travelgate happened before the White Water mess even gained traction.

Check in out if you dare, and then come and argue with me about how ethical she is.

Of course we can just take a look at her actions of the last 8 months and get a pretty good of the stench her so called ethics have.

[Eric Condon]

33. Scary? Why, because the thread pointed out that ABC's "debate" was non-issue tabloid trash?

Oh yeah, I forgot - when people focus on meaningless garbage like flag lapel pins, it mysteriously seems to benefit your candidate. When people focus on ISSUES, Obama benefits, because he can actually run on issues without insulting voters' intelligence by grasping at straws for the most trivial bullshit possible to use as wedge issues - a tactic everyone knows is ripped right from the Rove playbook.

[Captain_Nemo]

38. Because your violent words are indicative that perhaps the threats against Hillary SD's are coming

from DU. I wouldn't be surprised.

[Eric Condon]

56. Violent words?

Like what?

[boppers]

96. Violent words? Like calling the next president a "shitbag"? n/t

[Blue_State_Elitist]

12. Go Hill!

[rodeodance]

13. CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY~~ YES SHE WILL~YES WE WILL~~

[Captain_Nemo]

17. Hey Rodeo. I had to come over and see the pain they inflicted on themselves for not applying a

progressive analysis to their candidate. Truth hurts.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. YES WE ARE -- people who can't come up with our own slogans.

Hillary Clinton: Change You Can Xerox (While Dodging Sniper Fire) GoMama!

[rodeodance]

16. REC

[NanceGreggs]

19. For a candidate who NEEDED ...

... the free air-time because her campaign is so broke she can't afford to buy it, she did a suitably good job at not losing too many more voters.

[MercutioATC]

22. Ouch!

:)

[mythyc]

20. .

:puke:

[Catherina]

24. Which one? Nuking the Middle East in a "massive retaliation"?

Fuck that shit. She horrified America tonight. Keep dreaming. Don't let all the sockpuppets fool you, there aren't enough real people in the war wing to vote for her.

[Captain_Nemo]

46. HA HA HA HA HAH AH HAH AH A You finally saw a real debate and couldn't handle it.

[Catherina]

50. Are you serious? Your post reminds me of a 3 yr old who just saw their first cartoon

You do understand that tripe like "HA HA HA HA HAH AH HAH AH A You finally saw a real debate and couldn't handle it" is why Hillary is getting her ass kicked I hope.

With friends like you my dear, Hillary doesn't need misogynists. The blood lust with which you just laughed at her promise to massively retaliate against millions of innocent people just disgusts decent people. My suggestion is you scratch your head real hard after the PA Primaries instead of blaming the media, or sexists, or bad pots and pans because her hopes of being President are deader than a doorknob now. How much more out of touch and delusional can you get?

[Captain_Nemo]

90. they finally nailed him - after 15 months. He's weak.

[shagsak]

27. she forgot her flag pin... not a good sign

[nels25]

73. She was a Cub fan before she was a Yankee fan

how Kerry of her.

As a Cub fan I am insulted.

[LulaMay]

30. She knows about it all, she wants to get in there and work for the people. She is a rock.

[Captain_Nemo]

91. You rock.

[AtomicKitten]

31. Um, no. But she did flesh out that "bitch" charge made against her.

:hi:

[anonymous171]

32. She didn't win, she just looked better.

[Captain_Nemo]

39. Sexism........so progressive, so liberal, so sad.

[anonymous171]

43. You know what I meant.

Her delivery was better.

[Name removed]

34. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[IsItJustMe]

35. LOL

[LTR]

36. You forgot the sarcasm tag

:sarcasm:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. Sen Clinton is a workhorse for the people...Obama is a show pony

[RBInMaine]

55. Yeah, well your "workhorse" sure loves her fat-cat PAC and lobbyist $.

[Captain_Nemo]

83. and yours loves ethanol and oil companies and Ronald Reagan. Wow, that's really progressive!

[nichomachus]

51. I always wondered what became of Baghdad Bob

He's posting here under the name Captain Nemo.

[OneBlueSky]

53. Hillary Clinton will NEVER be President of the United States . . .

not now, not ever . . . too many people distrust and/or hate her . . . if she somehow got the nomination, she would lose to McCain big time . . . even if Americans had to hold their noses while voting . . .

[RBInMaine]

54. Won what?? A fake joke of a biased bucked of media HORSECRAP posing as a "debate"?

[Captain_Nemo]

84. you're guy is already being crushed. It is music to me.

[Raffi Ella]

63. Hear Hear!

:toast:

K&R

[nels25]

74. Within 18 months of her being elected President

that photo will make great roach control poison.

Also I am willing to go on record that her popularity rating withing 18 months of inauguration will be in the high 30'2 to low 40's.

[Captain_Nemo]

89. She was great. Obama was a fool. IS a fool.

[JoFerret]

64. Without a doubt

And Obama is a great second.

[not_too_L8]

65. nice sarcasm!

[nels25]

66. Dear God: If I must I will vote for HRC in the general

but I will take no happiness in doing so.

Oh boy she is a fighter, she is going to fight those wascally and evil Republicans.

Guess what the result will be??

They will feel the same as we have felt while Bush 43 has shoved his junk down our throat, that will really engender a feeling that they should cross over and join hands on issues for the good of the country.

But as long as we win so what?? Problem with that approach is we then have to govern and we have no GOP scapegoat to blame since we will have the executive and legislative branches of government.

Poll after poll indicate that the public is to the point of wanting to vomit over this consistent bickering and partisan fighting. They want things done.

We do not want to look at it from an objective point of view but the record shows that the Clinton's in their own way were just as partisan as 43.

In fact one of the reasons that Gingrich was able to persuade the GOP to try things his way beginning in the late 80's was the petty treatment of the GOP minority by speakers O'neil, Wright etc.

Sometimes it might help to remember what goes around, comes around. Taking that into consideration
we should not have been all that surprised that the GOP decided that pay back is a bitch, we in a way asked for it. If we had not then the GOP would not have gained.

So we end up electing a so called fighter (and I will hand to the Clinton's they fight as hard and as dirty as any GOP operative ever has, we just don't want to admit it) and end having more of what we have experienced for 16 years (30 if you trace it back to Reagan).

Wonderful, a part of me thinks this will be like a daily root canal with out Novocaine.

Still I can not stomach the though of McCain and the GOP for another 4 years.

So I will vote for her highness if I must, but doing so will taste somewhat like eating cow-pie topped with urine.:hide:

[Captain_Nemo]

86. Precious can't even speak unless he has rehearsed a script. Pathetic.

[Seabiscuit]

70. When it finally got to the real policy questions that matter to the American people

I thought that Hillary did much better than Obama. She clearly understands the issues, is able to explain them in detail and support her positions on what she will or won't do. Following Obama's answers to some of the questions, I had to follow all the twisting and turning and tangents he goes off on in order to answer a question. Its funny because some of their positions are very similiar. My take is after the bullshit questions that both candidates received from ABC and when it got down to real policy questions, Hillary won the debate. I do want to add, that I will vote for whoever the nominee will be for our party. What I saw last night with ABC they were just sharpening their knives against either one of our canidates and it will be hell in the GE. Democrats have to come together because we can not allow McCain to win the presidency and continue Bush/Cheney/Corporate America's wishes.

[Captain_Nemo]

92. On real issues She beats McCain. ON Patriotism she is can beat him. For Obama - he loses both ways.

[Justitia]

72. You've been underwater too long, you've got the bends. -eom

[wowimthere]

75. ROFLMAO times 2! Same old dirty politician. If I want her then I want a GOP. No thanks!

[Bensthename]

76. Keep up the spin if that is what makes you feel good.

[mrJJ]

78. Maybe your right

Your Right... here are the highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U&eurl

"A mind & vote is a terrible thing to waste"... think before you jump

[ORDem]

79. When I read your OP title I thought it was for Student Body President.

:eyes:

[Captain_Nemo]

81. Barack voted to confirm Thomas Griffith even when Leahy vehementally opposed it. Hillary opposed it

also. Look it up. Griffith. Judge Utah Leahy.

Barack made a deal with someone to vote that way. Next time he'll probably vote against your interests.

[Captain_Nemo]

82. P.S. Obama - bots. You are the libertarian branch of the party.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

94. Yeah, I heart Ayn Rand. What's your problem with Objectivism?

And why do you think Obama, as opposed to Ms. FreeTradePennColombiaTradeDealMyHusbandWillTakeSpeakerFeesFromWhateverBrutalDictatorAndNegotiateOurPortsToACountryThatSupportsTerrorismAndHumanRightsViolations will be worse when it comes to that?

[Captain_Nemo]

98. She was a republican and Nixon LOVED her. You're not a liberal.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

99. Uh what? Was my satire over your head? nt

[Captain_Nemo]

101. No, you clearly don't get it. But, all the obamabots eyes glaze over when you talk about issues.

cling to their signs and smile emptily...hoping for ...something.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

102. And.... you're... replying... twice... because... you're... hoping... we ..won't

Notice your blatant hypocrisy.

Tragically, for you, we do.

[redstate_democrat]

85. This is why she did well

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/stephanopoulos-once-criti_n_97363.html

[Captain_Nemo]

93. I can't go to HuffY Post - ms. yacht has banned all pro-Hillary people from commenting. I am a free

speech person. Can't click on a link that is hostile to free speech.