Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Time Mag review of the Debate: The Dems Play Trivial Pursuit (focus is on horribleness of media)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:49 AM
Original message
Time Mag review of the Debate: The Dems Play Trivial Pursuit (focus is on horribleness of media)
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 07:10 AM by Pirate Smile

The Dems Play Trivial Pursuit


Sen. Barack Obama, right, and Sen. Hillary Clinton before the start of the Democratic Party debate in Philadelphia on April 16
Matt Rourke / AP


In The Audacity of Hope, Barack Obama tells an amusing story about his first tour through downstate Illinois, when he had the audacity to order Dijon mustard on his cheeseburger at a TGI Friday's. His political aide hastily informed the waitress that Obama didn't want Dijon at all, and thrust a yellow bottle of ordinary-American heartland-values mustard at him instead. The perplexed waitress informed Obama that she had Dijon if he wanted. He smiled and said thanks. "As the waitress walked away, I leaned over and whispered that I didn't think there were any photographers around," Obama recalled.
Obama's memoir dripped with contempt for modern gotcha politics, for a campaign culture obsessed with substantively irrelevant but supposedly symbolic gaffes like John Kerry ordering Swiss cheese or Al Gore sighing or George H.W. Bush checking his watch or Michael Dukakis looking dorky in a tank. "What's troubling is the gap between the magnitude of our challenges and the smallness of our politics—the ease with which we are distracted by the petty and trivial," he wrote.

Last night at the National Constitution Center, at a Democratic debate that was hyped by ABC as a discussion of serious constitutional issues, America got to see exactly what Obama was complaining about. At a time of foreign wars, economic collapse and environmental peril, the cringe-worthy first half of the debate focused on such crucial matters as Senator Obama's comments about rural bitterness, his former pastor, an obscure sixties radical with whom he was allegedly "friendly," and the burning constitutional question of why he doesn't wear an American flag pin on his lapel — with a single detour into Senator Hillary Clinton's yarn about sniper fire in Tuzla. Apparently, Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos ran out of time before they could ask Obama why he's such a lousy bowler.

-snip-
But maybe Obama is right that Americans are tired of "the kind of manufactured issue that our politics has become obsessed with," as he put in his lapel-pin answer. And even if they aren't, it's nice to hear someone critique that image-obsessed, context-deprived soundbite culture-a culture, incidentally, in which Stephanopoulos flourished when he was spinning for the Clintons.
Last night's debate did not reveal any big policy differences between Obama and Clinton. But it did reveal their different approaches to politics, and the different arguments for their candidacies that stem from those approaches.

-snip-
Obama's argument is that he can rise above the divisive politics of the nineties—not just the intense partisanship, but the constant posturing and point-scoring in the service of winning a news cycle. He portrays Clinton as a victim of those war-room politics—but also a veteran practitioner. "Senator Clinton learned the wrong lesson, because she's adopted the same tactics," he said last night. He's talking about the culture of perpetual spin, where everything is fair game in the service, including your opponent's kindergarten dreams of grandeur. It's a game of guilt by association, as Obama said last night, "the kind of game in which anybody I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship, their ideas can be attributed to me."

This makes for extremely stupid politics, where substance is only relevant to catch politicians in flip-flops or mistakes.
Last night, for example, Gibson tried to nail Obama over capital gains taxes, revealing only his own misunderstanding of the difference between correlation and causation. For all the back-and-forth over a crazy Weatherman he once served with on a board, Obama never got to tell voters that he opposed the war in Iraq from the start. For all the back-and-forth over her Tuzla goof—Obama stayed out of it, although he acknowledged that his campaign aides addressed it when asked—Clinton never got to mention anything she's done in the Senate. And the only real constitutional issue that got discussed was the right to bear arms. <http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1731655,00.html[br />

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. Great line: (they) ran out of time before they could ask Obama why he's such a lousy bowler.
What a travesty of a 'debate' for both candidates. ABC needs to pay a price for this. They should apologize and try to explain. I for one am not watching ABC news anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Yeah, I loved that. I went back and underlined it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:06 AM
Response to Original message
3. This is a great article
I hope everyone reads it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
4. The article nailed it. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
5. It was mud wrestling and Obama kept his gym shorts clean.
I respect him even more. Hillary just thrashed and wallowed in it by herself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. He even defended her which makes her actions even more disgusting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:09 AM
Response to Original message
6. Finally more media talking about how it was a bullshit debate.
And I mean BULLSHIT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:10 AM
Response to Original message
7. Charlie and George lost all serious interviews except with the Neocons after that
they just killed their careers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:13 AM
Response to Original message
9. And this would be precisely why I am studiously ignoring M$M.
I did not watch the debate, but have read a multitude of reviews and summaries with disgust...but sadly with no sense of surprise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:17 AM
Response to Original message
10. Bump for the Clintonistas on this board
who had no problem whatsoever with the tenor of last night's debate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 07:57 AM
Response to Original message
11. Excellent article!
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:11 AM
Response to Original message
12. Great article. Thanks for posting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:25 AM
Response to Original message
13. This American is tired of manufactured politics. What a farce. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:30 AM
Response to Original message
14. K&R. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
15. That was the worst moderated so-called debate I've ever seen.
Gibson and his sidekick should be fired.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:18 AM
Response to Original message
16. This May Be The First Time MSM Criticizes MSM
usually they tippy toe around and protect each other in case they may need a job in the future.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
17. K & R
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
18. From the article, it seems as if Clinton is trying to bully him out.
...by jumping on the rightwing attack machine. No wonder he looked confused he never thought the childish smears would come from his own party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr 20th 2024, 12:53 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC