ABC assaulted BOTH of our candidates last night

[maddiejoan]

visciously and horribly.

Now my assesment. Take it for what it's worth, as I'll admit bias here.

Hillary withstood the onslaught better than Obama did.

In that sense, I'd say --she didn't win against Obama --she won against ABC.

Obama didn't fare as well.

Whether this effects any polls --who the hell knows?

But clearly, Hillary is the better candidate to go up against the media.
Now let's discuss the horrors of why it's even needed for one of our candidates to have to fight the fucking media.

[KittyWampus]

1. And Hillary decided to join in the assault against Obama. She pulled a Guiliani invoking 9/11

how pathetic and low.

[maddiejoan]

4. Obama didn't exactly pull his punches either

AND he started hitting Hillary right out of the box.

so try again

[Zachstar]

7. He defended Clinton last night.

He basically ended Snipergate for her.

[maddiejoan]

14. by bringing up cookies?

sorry --he was no saint.

[Justitia]

88. by saying she deserved some slack over the Bosnia lie. He was classy, she was TRASH. -eom

[Texas Hill Country]

95. hahaha, hilarious.

[NJmaverick]

2. This debate was mostly for the Super Delegates

They wanted to see how Obama would handle attacks from Hillary, McCain and the networks. He handle it well, and that shoots down Hillary's premise that only she could handle that sort of pressure. I have read comments from many uncommitted SDs, about the debate, and it's clear Obama won this one by not cracking under the intense presure.

[Yael]

3. Charlie Gibson acted as if he was on a private interview

it was pathetic.

I hope ABC is getting an earful today.

[UALRBSofL]

5. Hey Maddie. Where have you been?

I posted about you the other day. I thought you moved on to another site and quit posting on DU and I missed ya. ANyway, to answer your question, yes they did. They didn't ask many questions that were pertinent to an election. They seemed to dwell on National Enquirer questions.

[maddiejoan]

18. I've been around

I don't tend to post here as often as before.

It's an exercise in futility for the most part.

[TK421]

6. Obama looked shaky...even nervous at times, but he did fine

Hillary seemed calm and even got some audience reaction ( the joke she made about not putting any Republicans up for president ).

[democrattotheend]

92. I have to admit, that was a great line

About how the Republicans should not nominate anyone. Although I find the notion that we have to pick our nominee based on what the Republican attack machine will do to them is more cynical than I am willing to accept.

[babylonsister]

Hillary withstood the onslaught? How special!

Considering none was directed at her, she did just fine. This debate was another hit job on Obama; Hill fed the fire on the 'bitter' thing, and this was an extension. Did you think 40 minutes was enough to cover all of Obama's supposed skeletons?

And then there's George S, getting his questions from Hannity, who has a vested interest in seeing Hill win. Yea, gee, that Hill, she's something. :eyes:

[earthlover]

70. Hillary DID make a major mistake....she forcefully said obama could win against McCain

Since one of the biggest arguements her campaign has in seducing super delegates is Obama is unelectable, she really shot herself in the foot with that. Big time.

She won't have popular vote, or pledged delegates. Right now in the national points she is about 10 points behind obama. Without argueing that Obama can't win against McCain, she has nothing.

Obama last night did not wither against a huge amount of pressure. That, at least, was a plus. What he faced last night was what the media will do to either Obama or Hillary once they get the nomination. They pretty much laid off of Hillary last night, but they won't if she is the nominee. For those who would think Obama could not take the heat, he showed that he can do ok.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Bullshit! They figuratively handed HRC a swim camp and yelled, "Come on in, the water's fine!"

And the three of them set about to excoriate Barack Obama's character through the most FLIMSY of associations.

F**K ABC and all the other media whores who SERVE the ruling elites.

They only want to keep "us little people" at each other's throat.

Not. This. Time.

[maddiejoan]

12. If you don't wish to be honest

about last night's debate I can't help you.

[ShortnFiery]

21. Nobody who thinks logically is buying into the "hype" ... enjoy but you're transparent.

:shrug:

[susankh4]

9. What a thread! Brava! Kick!!

"But clearly, Hillary is the better candidate to go up against the media."

Ya got that right!

"Now let's discuss the horrors of why it's even needed for one of our candidates to have to fight the fucking media."

One answer: they are there, and they aren't going away.

[ShortnFiery]

10. Sorry. Go back and huddle with your like minded buds, this dog won't hunt.

:eyes:

[susankh4]

16. We'll be huddlin' allright...

After we dial 911 for your wahmbulance .....

[ShortnFiery]

24. HRC can attack but she sure as shit isn't a inspiring figure ... Hillary is no LEADER.

HRC is proving to be nothing but an self-righteous BULLY.

Watch out, HRC is outclassed and has "no Elvis." :evilgrin:

[maddiejoan]

26. who wants Elvis as President?

I sure don't

[ShortnFiery]

51. OMG! You don't have MoJo Nixon, your campaign can use some fixin'

Don't cha know? "Elvis is everywhere!" In fact, PRESENTLY even Michael J. Fox "has Elvis."

But alas, HRC and her supporters have "NO ELVIS." :rofl:

Translation for those who don't remember 90s Alternative music: If a person "has Elvis" they demonstrate an magnetic and inspiring personality - OR - at least they are capable of enjoying a decent sense of humor. Often, self-righteous people "have NO Elvis."

[maddiejoan]

55. yeah.

"having Elvis" is not a value for me.

sorry.

But feel free to be the shallow little fire-plug you are.

[ShortnFiery]

86. Really? I'm a "shallow little fire-plug." How very Clintonian of you.

:evilgrin:

[maddiejoan]

90. actually

it's very "maddiejoanian" of me.

ask my friends!

[ShortnFiery]

98. Agreed. But your penchant for personal insults perfectly matches tactics of The Clintonian DLC. eom

[maddiejoan]

100. I'm laughing now

because you're far worse with that than I am.

[bowens43]

11. It was an attack on Obama by ABC and Hillary.

She showed the country and the voters of Pa what a slime ball she really is. Although this attack was meant to damage Obama and ensure a McCain win in November, it is going to have the opposite effect. Hillary will not be running for the office of president in 2012.

[Red Zelda]

13. OP is correct

The intelligence and concerns of real Americans were assaulted by ABC.
We must bring down big media. Now.

[Tribetime]

15. they did but it was much more against Obama

I don't agree with any of it. They aren't asking questions that matter to me. The moderators are trying to get someone on a gotcha question so they san say years from now " My question in the 2008 debate cost so and so the election". Like the Kennedy 60 minute interview. It's a wet dream for them to have a defining moment like that.

[maddiejoan]

17. quite correct

they didn't really ask anything of real import --nor can we any longer expect them to.

But they are what they are --until we find a way to replace them.

Happily --in many ways we are.

Info streams like the internet, blogs and youtube are quickly undermining their stranglehold.

But right now --thems is what we gots.

[Tribetime]

19. when they played that clip of McBush

I had to turn the channel. What was his video doing in our debate.

[maddiejoan]

23. I find images of McCain disturbing

in any venue.

[crispini]

20. I'll agree with you that ABC went after both

And thank you for agreeing that ABC was a completely horrible moderator. I, personally, would like to see the debate taken back to the League of Women Voters.

I think Obama could have done better, but I think that Hillary withstood the onslaught better because, well, there was less stuff flying at Hillary.
Let's see.

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4670271

First tough question on Hillary: Can Obama win? Not exactly a personal attack.
Then Obama got snarky with her about Cookiegate. He was bringing that up to make a point, which was: Cookiegate was horseshit, and she should know that.
Then SEVERAL questions on Rev. Wright, including "Do you think Reverend Wright loves America as much as you do?" :eyes:
Then Clinton brings up Farrakhan.
Then the moderators ask Clinton about Bosnia and rag on her credibility. Obama, when asked, responds and tries to redirect.
Then we have: "Senator Obama, I have a question, and I want to know if you believe in the American flag."
Then we have George S. asking about William Ayers, and Clinton piles on. Obama responds about the pardoning thing.

And FINALLY --- 7,596 words into the debate -- we get a question about Iraq. :eyes:

Honestly, it's stomach-churning. It was totally tabloid. No substance at all for the first fifty minutes.

[UALRBSofL]

30. crispini, how are you this morning? Anyway, why was Willy Ayers or whatever his name is even brought

up? Is this the new scandal for the week? No one ever heard of him until last night. Everybody knows about Rev Wright and the rural american issue but Ayers was new. I wonder why that was such a big issue when they should have asked about healthcare, the falling dollar against the pound, the barrel of oil at the highest price ever. Call me stupid, but, Ayers was an issue I never really heard much about but I know more then I really wanted to know about him after last night.

[crispini]

34. Good morning!

I'd heard about Ayers before, but only because I read DU like a fiend and I think it's popped up on here from time to time.

Ayers was brought up because Hannity told George S. to ask the question, and he did. You'd think that he would have taken 10 minutes to research the thing first. I mean, the dude USED to be this big radical, wasn't even sent to prison, and I guess Obama served on a board with him once and/or he threw a fundraiser for Obama once. BFD

True story: I am a precinct chair and it can therefore be said that I "served on a committee" with every other precinct chair in Dallas. There are over 400 of them. One of them is a complete conspiracy theory nutcase who thinks he knows who killed JFK. Another of them wigged out at the recent caucuses and made the local news; she is 'unstable' to say the least as she sues some local official every few months. A third one of them got arrested -- yes, ARRESTED -- on a public lewdness charge about six months ago.

And yet, apparently by dint of being in the same room with these people, I also believe in their various nutbag conspiracy theories and endorse public lewdness.

:rofl:

[asjr]

22. I did not watch last night. Mostly because of the

"moderators." Charlie Gibson is one of the worst "journalists" around. From what I have read this was not a debate but an audition for two so-called news people to be the biggest a-hole in the media. I have yet to hear a substantive debate--not because of the candidates--but the overseers and pundits. We deserve better from the media.

[maddiejoan]

25. we certainly do

and I think what we at DU NEED to be doing, is to find a manner in which we can get debates back the way they used to be.

The League of Women Voters used to do a bang up job of it.

This should be a cause for us to take on.

[crispini]

35. I was thinking about putting up an online petition.

Do you think that would help?

I am actually a member of the LWV, but I don't go to meetings often.

[maddiejoan]

39. I don't know

But it's a topic we should be looking at --HEAVILY.

To me -- it's as important as election fraud.

[Bonobo]

27. Serious question. Please be honest.

I felt that Hillary took every opportunity to engage in sleazy attacks (Ayers, Wright, even Farrakhan).

I felt she took the low road at every chance and helped the moderators do their dirty work. I am talking the first 30 minutes now, okay.

So my question is: Were you surprised at her? A little disappointed even? Did you feel that Obama was classier in the way he behaved than Hillary? Please be honest.

[maddiejoan]

29. I saw Obama

take just as many cheap shots --I also observed that last night --he started them.

So my answer would be "No".

Obama wasn't very 'classy' at all. Neither was Hillary.

But it's not a tea-party.It's a political campaign.

I was far more disturbed by ABC then I was by either candidate.

[Bonobo]

32. OK. I'm not surprised you didn't see it the way I did, but I am slightly

disappointed.

It was obvious in my mind that she was far, far worse.

I don't need the "it's not a tea party" remark to know that.

Frankly, I believe that is just a dishonest way to rationalize her poor behavior.

But one thing I DO agree with you about is that ABC's behavior was the MOST disturbing.

I hope that President Obama will focus on the media's vital role in maintaining a strong democracy and pressure them with the bully pulpit into cleaning up their act. Without an informed voting populace, there really is no hope for a democratic nation other than to descend into an oligarchy.

[maddiejoan]

37. I hope

if he's the nominee, that he brings Hillary in as a debate coach.

As for your disappointment? It's a non-issue for me.
Your perceptions aren't any more valid than mine.

[Bonobo]

43. Agreed that my disappointment is a non-issue to you.

I hope I still have the right to voice it though.

[maddiejoan]

45. Address what?

That you're disappointed in me?

Only if you wish to come across as a patronizing bombast.

I'm assuming you don't.

[Bonobo]

Fuggetaboutit.

[maddiejoan]

48. That would be your best bet

yes.

[zulchzulu]

28. I agree...

I would disagree on how Hillary is the better candidate and I was not impressed with her following along with the attacks.

I do agree that the ABC debate did a great disservice to the interested American voter. Journalistic standards these days are few and far between.

[maddiejoan]

31. How did you feel about Obama's attacks?

just curious.

[UALRBSofL]

36. Here is what I'm wondering about the debate

Why did they ask questions that were not even of substance? Why did they go the way of tabloid papers? I'm thinking, were they trying to make the candidates look bad by asking these questions in that they want McCain to win or was this typical of ABC? It just seemed like they were part of the right wing asking these kind of questions. Just curious, how did everyone else see it?

[maddiejoan]

40. I see it exactly like that

They tried to knock both of them down.

[maddiejoan]

33. I said she was the better candidate

for facing off against an ugly media.

It might be a debatable point. But it is my opinion.

You're certainly free to have your's.

Now let's talk about what we can do to get a fair media back --if anything.

[Bonobo]

41. I think it will be hard to do that, but I think nothing is more vital, Maddie.

I have asked myself over and over what can be done to break this stranglehold by the media, but I think maybe it will happen on its own.

The internet has already made profound changes in the way information is pushed around in our world.

We the people can now communicate and pass large pieces of info (audio, video, text) in real time. That in and of itself gives us much more power than we used to have. Also, YouTube has allowed us to make our own programming and has undoubtedly changed political campaigns -you could even say that candidates no longer have as much control over their messages as they used to. One amateur video has the potential to go viral now and have more influence than a 10 million dollar ad campaign. Those are real and significant changes.

But there is something else. I think there is a growing gap between the hot air that the media spews out, and the harsh reality that the American people breathe in. There is a massive disconnect going on when network moderators talk about lapel pins while people are dying from dental disease, losing their homes, can't heat their homes, etc. This massive discontent is akin to a bubble that continues to inflate and I think it will explode, perhaps with this election.

I believe that Obama's campaign is testing the theory that Americans are as stupid as the MSM thinks they are. I believe that Obama speaks to the people as if they can see through this crap and, in fact, he is banking on it. He may be wrong. I think he is right. I think that people in dire straits economically get REALLY PISSED OFF at these bullshit distractions and I think that we will see the effect in this election.

Actually I think we are already seeing it in the fact that Obama has come as far as he has -also in the way that Hillary's numbers went up when she was positive and real and down when she goes for the negative attacks.

[maddiejoan]

44. Until we get a fair and non-partisan media

--a media I grew up with!

We will have little chance at effecting real change.

I do agree with you on the fact that this change is now occuring 'organically" and through all manner of info streams available.

The only thing we seem to disagree on is our respective opinions on Hillary Clinton.

We actually agree about Obama --though you seem somewhat of the belief that appreciation of Hillary Clinton is tatamount to a hatred of Obama.

I've said many times --Obama would make a wonderful President. I just happen to believe Hillary would make an even better one.

[zulchzulu]

57. Being one that has worked in the "media" for a while...

...there really is no hope for a fair media until we get solid campaign finance reform AND bring back the Fairness Doctrine... which will not happen unless it's done by a presidential decree.

I think the only solution is to have something like Air America TV with a full bandwidth of progressive opinion...

[berni_mccoy]

38. Do you agree or disagree that they asked Obama more difficult questions or personal-attack questions

[maddiejoan]

42. They asked Obama a couple of zingers more

they also gave him much more time on the clock to respond.

It's a wash.

I certainly doin't see that they gave HRC a free ride --do you?
In fact --they didn't give Clinton rebuttals after a few of Obama's attacks, but they gave Obama a rebuttal each time.

[berni_mccoy]

49. I agree with that.

Good points all around. Things I didn't like that Clinton did: associate Farakkahn and Hamas with Obama and pile-on with Ayers. Obama had good responses though, so as you said, all-in-all it was a wash. I'm sure there were things Obama said that you didn't like (bringing up Clinton's cookies comment).

[maddiejoan]

50. The 'cookies' line

was ugly -- but to be honest, it pleased me that Obama went for it --first time in the campaign I felt hope that he could win this election against McCain.

He needs more of that if he's gonna be up against the GOP.

[kevinmc]

46. Wrong and the over whelming majority proves that .. n/t

[maddiejoan]

47. if you say so

I don't think we'll have that data for quite awhile though.

[XemaSab]

52. I thought Obama was asked about 4 nasty questions to Hillary's one.

The flag, Reverend Wright, William Ayres, and the "bitter" comment to Hillary's Bosnia story.

[maddiejoan]

54. of the four you mention

only the Ayres question was nasty.

and it was reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaal nasty.

[XemaSab]

74. You don't think asking "How much do you love the American flag?"

is sort of sleazy? :shrug:

[maddiejoan]

89. I think it's a fluff question

that he should have been able to get rid of with a quick joke.

[pdxmom]

53. I agree with you that ABC's supposed "debate" was a travesty to

both candidates, and more importantly, to the voting public. Tabloid "gotcha" questions left no room for a true debate and I'm still waiting to hear about some very important issues that don't get discussed. ABC should be ashamed.

[maddiejoan]

59. well that's the major point isn't it?

I still think if Obama is our nominee --he at least should sit down with Hillary for some lessons on how to handle them.

'Cos he'll need the pointers in how to deal with them.

Bottom line: I want a Democrat in 2008 --and if Obama needs some "ugly" lessons on how to get there --than he better learn'em.

Cos the MSM ain't changing anytime soon --and Obama was not on his game last night, and as our likely nominee --he's gonna need to get there.

[Bonobo]

61. I don't think Obama needs to get ugly.

I think people are tired of ugly.

He needs to stay positive because the people are already at the point where they are tired of that shit.

His instincts are good. He should stick with what has brought him this far.

[maddiejoan]

63. How many times are Democrats going to do this?

"We don't need to get ugly"

Yes. We. Do.

Or be prepared to lose another one.

It's the same thing everytime. The stakes are way too high.

At the end of the GE, I want Republicans limping and bleeding on thier way home to cry.

[Bonobo]

72. I think it is different this time. Obama is not Kerry.

Maybe the difference is that I don't want the Republicans bleeding.

I want a stake driven into their fucking hearts. I think Hillary is the poorer choice to get that done.

[Ishoutandscream2]

56. Thank God I didn't watch any of it. And I'll avoid it on Youtube

It is evident that the MSM is fully in the GOP camp. I can't take more of their bullshit. If the TV is on in my house to any of the MSM networks, whether it's the four major networks, or Fox News, MSNBC, or CNN; I can begin to feel my blood pressure rising. God, I just hate em all (the only one I can put up with is Keith's show on MSNBC).

[MadBadger]

58. Maddie, ABC asked her about Bosnia...that was her gaffe

ABC asked Obama about Bitter, Wright, Lapel Pin, and Weather Underground. The last of which came directly from the Sean Hannity Radio Show. I dont think you can seriously say that they went after Both, because while they may have gone after Hillary, they wanted blood from Obama.

[maddiejoan]

62. and Bitter, Lapel Pin and Wright

are Obama 'gaffes'.

only the Ayers thing was absurd to me --and certainly NOT an Obama gaffe.

On the other 3 --they are gaffes BECAUSE he has repeatedly talked out of both sides of his mouth on these.

[MadBadger]

76. Where was Hillary's Lapel Pin? Why wasnt she wearing one?

[BeyondGeography]

60. Hillary honors their bullshit by playing along and adding fuel to the fire

Until we reject their mindlessness, we'll be winning empty victories on those occasions when we do out number the other side. Obama has already been able to survive worse than what was thrown at him last night. Real change (I know it sounds trite, but it's actually what we need) can only happen when our politicians reject and re-write the MSM rules, not when they play by them.

[maddiejoan]

64. you are naive

if you think Obama isn't playing some dirty politics himself.

I just don't think he's playing them well enough.

Last night was the first time a debate gave him "The Hillary Treatment".

If he's the nominee --he better get used to it.

[BeyondGeography]

67. Obama is winning because he doesn't stoop to her level when the shitstorm hits

while she's in the muck with her hip boots, her goggles and her flamethrower he's connecting to voters. He's going over their heads and, guess what, it's continuing to work:

The Obama campaign tells Stephanopoulos that “prominent Pennsylvania supporters” will switch their support from Clinton to Obama Thursday morning due to Clinton’s negativity.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/04/17/philadelphia-daily-news-endorses-obama/

[maddiejoan]

69. slurp

my only question for you is what's your favorite flavor?

[BeyondGeography]

75. Roadrunner Punch

[BootinUp]

87. I thought I heard Obama

attacking Hillary with stuff from the 90's last night. A Pardon she had nothing to do with even. Maybe I was dreaming.

[maddiejoan]

94. I fell asleep a couple of times

when Obama was speaking as well.

[GoesTo11]

65. If some think it was tough on Clinton, some on Obama, it must have been fair

That's how we do a fair and balanced analysis, right?

[Swamp Rat]

66. I agree, except for the part about Hillary being the better candidate.

She's obviously the worst Dem candidate of all who entered the race, and Hillary did not fare well in the debate, as her support came from corporate media, not We the People. ;)

[Bonobo]

77. Completely agree. She still has the old playbook.

Obama is better at sensing the wind-shift of the mood of the people.

I think Hillary is tone deaf at reading people and moods.

She doesn't 'get' the internets even.

[anonymous171]

68. They were all attacking Obama. Obama defended Hillary.

[Bad Thoughts]

71. This debate gives license to do the same in the Fall

Regardless who you think won, or whether it was about time these matters are aired, this hurts the Democratic Party because it will give license to the networks to put on this kind of debate in the fall. Do Clinton supporters really want an hour of rumor, innuendo, and mudslinging to begin each debate against McCain? Do they know who'll win that debate? Viewers, fed up with the shallow content of such a program, will tune out after thirty minutes, and their impression of the democratic candidate won't be favorable.

[crispini]

73. Here is my draft petition. What do you think?

Petition to Restore the League of Women Voters as the Hosts of the Presidential Debates

To: The League of Women Voters
Democratic Presidential Candidates and their Campaign Staff
Republican Presidential Candidates and their Campaign Staff
Commission on Presidential Debates

We, the undersigned, through this letter, request that you return complete control of the American Presidential debates to the League of Women Voters, and abolish the Commission on Presidential Debates.

The CPD debates have been called “news conferences” and “a reckless endangerment of Democracy.” Furthermore, the most recent Democratic Primary debate on ABC has completely exposed the modern American debate as a travesty and a sham.

The debates must be administered by an impartial, non-profit, citizen-friendly organization. The League of Women Voters is that organization.

Signed,

--- What do you think I should add to this?

[TexanDem]

78. "onslaught on Hillary"?? You are joking? hahaha

[smiley_glad_hands]

79. I agree with your initial statement.

This was an right wing hit job on the Democratic Party.

[Imagevision]

80. No-one thinks the media isn't controlling this election?

[billyoc]

81. I'm in complete agreement. That farce was an affront against anyone

who values a free press.

[Lucky 13]

82. Congrats to Hillary and her supporters. Thanks for the fair post, Maddie.

As many of you know, I'm an ardent Obama supporter, but I think every democrat - Hillbot, Obamabot or otherwise should be outraged. This was a hit job and we just watched both our candidates get assaulted on live TV. It was awful. The only person it benefited was John McCain.

I think Hillary handled herself quite well - better than Barack. What's important to ME though is that she said some things that made me FEEL much better about her. Part of the reason I've had so much ANGER toward her is that we have had fairly good reason to question whether or not she would ever support Barack when he WINS this thing. We worry that we're going to work so hard to get this improbable candidate who has inspired all of us so much all the way to the threshold of victory and then she's going to pull some awful trick or try to change the rules at the last minute or get her powerful friends to arm-twist their way to a Hillary nomination or she'll hop on the McCain bandwagon - because honestly that's what her behavior in this campaign has led us to believe she is capable of. Right or wrong, that's the impression many of us have gotten.

But she said the right things last night, and I personally found myself nodding along with her several times. What's more, simply the act of her SAYING things like YES Barack is electable. YES we will support whomever the nominee is. YES BOTH candidates are a better choice than McCain. By saying those things, I found my level of "anger" with her decrease. I realize words and actions (especially with politicians) are completely different things, but in between answering BULLSHIT questions, she actually said a few things that impressed me and eased my concerns.

I know people say this all the time and neither side listens - and I admit that I'm just as guilty as anyone - but I wish her supporters would talk more like SHE did last night. It is a HORRIBLE VICIOUS cycle we've fallen into. Obama supporters worry that we are going to legitimately win the nomination, but that she's going to pull some dirty trick and steal it from us. The thought of having ANY election stolen from us ever again by ANYONE sends us to a place where we begin to hate Hillary Clinton more than we ever thought possible and thus the personal attacks begin on GDP and other venues. Similarly, all Hillary supporters see is the personal attacks we carry out on her but don't consider the REASON why we feel like we do. They in turn, shut down. Intellectual debate ceases and they spew the nastiness right back at us. It's SO SO FOOLISH and I am ashamed of it.

It's so very difficult when we all are as passionate about our candidates as we are. I wish we could all step back and realize that both candidates are good, worthy, smart individuals and that we should UNCONDITIONALLY support WHOMEVER the nominee is. Tonight we got a good look at who the real enemy is - and it's neither Hillary nor Barack. We have to unite... about something, ANYTHING. Hating on ABC might just be the thing that brings us all back together. I dunno.

So... congratulations to Hillary and her supporters. She withstood this firestorm and handled herself with class. You should be proud.

To this Barack supporters, this was a bump in the road. I don't see it effecting our momentum more than 24 hours or so. And ABC sounds like they are getting what they deserve. I haven't seen ONE good thing said about last night's debate anywhere. We have plenty to look forward to and have a much easier road ahead of us than Hillary. We've had a few hours for our anger at ABC to dissipate. Now we need to refocus, get back to work, get back on the phones, and try to seal the deal for Barack in PA.

Peace.

[Ishoutandscream2]

84. Good, classy post Lucky

The MSM is out to get the Dems, plain and simple. I didn't watch this farce, but I can just imagine from all the comments that this so called debate was designed to make the Republican candidate look better than his two competitors on the Democratic side. Let's face it, the MSM is pushing for another Republican win. Gotta listen to their corporate masters, you know.

[maddiejoan]

91. Thank you

for your wonderful post.

I can't think of anything in it that I disagree with!

:toast:

[Lucky 13]

93. Wow! I suppose there is a first time for everything!

Maybe there's some HOPE for us yet!

:toast:

[oneofthepeople]

83. ABC lost last night.

Perhaps they should manufacture more 'Flag Pins' and pay off the debt and fund the 100 year Wars!

Hillary reminds me of 'Betty Crocker' she wasn't REAL either.

Obama weathers the storms and trivial, small commentators like Steph and Gib, hired by trivial, small ABC. Does that stand for 'All about Cheese?'

Cheesy debate questions when there actually are ISSUES THAT MATTER!

[workinclasszero]

85. BS Its been Hillary, McCain, MSM, reich wing neocons

against Obama from the beginning. Nice try at historical revisionism though.


Hillary is a tool of the right wing free trade pro war corporatists that have been destroying America since King George was selected.

[SoCalDem]

96. Just what Hannity & Fox wanted.. How special

:puke:

[depakid]

97. Actually, ABC assaulted reason

and insulted every single person who made the mistake of tuning into their network.

[Orsino]

99. It's what they do.

Ten, twenty years ago, no network would have dared the crushing inanity that was ABC last night--and our candidates gave the fiasco their tacit blessings. x(