Man, you Obama supporters wouldn't last two seconds in our position.

[Phillycat]

Are you kidding me? Has the media's coddling actually given you and your candidate such an enormous sense of entitlement that both of you feel justified in acting like petulant babies when they actually dare to ask some tough questions?

It appears Hillary and her supporters have thick skins and tenacity in common. Conversely, Obama and his supporters are alike in freaking out and getting pissy when they're attacked. Good luck in the general if your guy gets the nom, then. Lord. :rofl: How do you think it's going to look when he gets all mad and stuttery like he did last night? The man cannot withstand the flat-out abuse of a general election. He proved it again last night. There's still time, as someone else here posted this morning, to avoid this mistake.

[NJmaverick]

1. "It appears Hillary and her supporters have thick skins and tenacity in common."

When you support a dishonest, self serving and destructive candidate, that is pretty much a given.

[kid a]

2. rec this sub-topic

[aquart]

3. Obviously not.

Oh, wait. You don't think Obama is dishonest. LOL!

And he ain't a bit self serving. Nuh uh. Tasty tasty Koolaid.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. ...

:thumbsup:

[not_too_L8]

60. Think!!!

Even if you liked seeing Obama being put on the spot by Stephanopoulos playing Hannity you were still deprived of meaningful debate by the two presidential hopefuls

[Phillycat]

65. No, YOU think! Do you not think this is exactly the sort of treatment

either one of them will get in the general? Do you think Charlie Gibson is going to suddenly become a fucking intellectual? THIS IS REALITY. THIS IS WHAT AN ELECTION LOOKS LIKE IN 2008 IN THIS COUNTRY. It's no use railing against it. The only possible winning strategy is to find a candidate who can survive it. Hillary can. I don't believe Obama can. That is the basis for my support of her. Obama has been handled with kid gloves. The media is waiting, SLAVERING to tear him down. That's what we do with celebrities in this country. Build them up to idols, then tear them down. See Spears, Britney. Got to keep those ratings up. You think if he gets the nom, the networks are all going to shine his damned crown all day and sing Kumbaya?

The naivete on this site drives me crazy sometimes!

Edit: typo

[chascarrillo]

82. So you think that we should give up and accept that this "journalism" is acceptable?

Hell no! We fight back.

It's frankly more than a bit bizarre that you praise yourself and your candidate for fighting back, but admonish Obama and his supporters for fighting back. That's really absurd. Just absurd.

[Phillycat]

88. Again, there's a difference between "fighting back" and "whiny baby".

At no time last night did Obama protest the questions. He just behaved like a baby when you put a particularly distasteful spoonful of strained carrots in their mouth.

[chascarrillo]

98. "Why do I always get the first question?"

:rofl:

[Phillycat]

102. Man, do they take away your senses of humor when you sign up to support that guy?

[chascarrillo]

125. At least I'm backing a candidate that wants change. You think things can't change...

... and you've picked a candidate that supports that worldview. Good luck!

[not_too_L8]

150. And Obama says... speaking about smear politics

"And Senator Clinton's right. She has gone through this. You know, I recall when back in 1992, when she made a statement about how, what do you expect, should I be at home baking cookies?

And people attacked her for being elitist and this and that. And I remember watching that on TV and saying, well, that's not who she is; that's not what she believes; that's not what she meant. And I'm sure that that's how she felt a s well.

But the problem is that that's the kind of politics that we've been accustomed to. And I think Senator Clinton learned the wrong lesson from it, because she's adopting the same tactics.

What the American people want are not distractions. They want to figure out, how are we actually going to deliver on health care; how are we going to deliver better jobs for people; how are we going to improve their incomes; how are we going to send them to college?

That's what we have to focus on. And yes, they are in part frustrated and angry, because this is what passes for our politics in terms -- instead of figuring out, how do we build coalitions to actually move things forward?"

[Straight Shooter]

159. Obama's statements reveal his tactics, very disingenuous.

I call it the slap sandwich, two soothing statements with a piece of crap served between them.

Soothing: And I remember watching that on TV and saying, well, that's not who she is; that's not what she believes; that's not what she meant.

Backhanded Slap: And I think Senator Clinton learned the wrong lesson from it, because she's adopting the same tactics.

Soothing: What the American people want are not distractions.

Notice how he slides that ugly insult in oh-so-slickly between two "reasonable" statements? That's his style. Yet Obama supporters never see how confrontational he actually is with that passive-aggressive style of political chicanery.

[not_too_L8]

168. I have heard him say something positive about HRC in every debate

HRC has not, that is until the low road politics started to eat away at her popularity

And I think Senator Clinton learned the wrong lesson from it, because she's adopting the same tactics.

the truth hurts, sorry

[Straight Shooter]

176. You're repeating him without even thinking about what you're doing.

He's the one accusing her of using rightwing tactics, when she's been fighting the rightwing forever.

He started out by saying, "She'll say anything." You should call up that nasty POS, Robert Gibbs, his communications director, and thank him for Obama's verbal machinations. Gibbs is the one who kneecapped Dean. His specialty is destroying Democrats. Thanks to him, we got Kerry in 2004. He was responsible for the Dean morphs into Osama ad.

Nice company Obama keeps, eh? Mark Penn is a crapfest, but at least he's gone.

[not_too_L8]

183. you did not even reply to my comment...

Mostly negative from Hillary...Mostly positive from Barack

[Straight Shooter]

192. Actually, I did respond to it.

Even though you didn't respond to my original post, which clearly outlines his technique of subterfuge in insulting Hillary Clinton. But it's okay with most of the O supporters, because you think she's fair game, being a Clinton and all that. Thus your immediate rise to his defense. It's SOP.

If he were so positive, there wouldn't be so many who hold him in contempt. The "hope, change, unity" slogan is sheer rhetoric.

[PoliticalAmazon]

262. And you are whining about WHAT exactly? n/t

[Blue_State_Elitist]

158. You sound like a little kid.

My candidate likes change! He likes good over bad! He likes nice things! He wants happy stuff!

[ronnykmarshall]

228. change hope change hope change hope change hope

[donheld]

242. Same no hope Same no hope Same no hope Same no hope

That's your hillary

[ronnykmarshall]

245. Oh dear ......

I'm sure you feel better now.

Good for you!!!!

[NYCGirl]

118. And this is not protesting the questions?

So the problem that we have in our politics, which is fairly typical, is that you take one person's statement, if it's not properly phrased, and you just beat it to death. And that's what Senator Clinton's been doing over the last four days. And I understand that.

That's politics, and I expect to have to go through this -- this process.

But I do think it's important to recognize that it's not helping that person who's sitting at the kitchen table who is trying to figure out how to pay the bills at the end of the month.

And Senator Clinton's right. She has gone through this. You know, I recall when back in 1992, when she made a statement about how, what do you expect, should I be at home baking cookies?

And people attacked her for being elitist and this and that. And I remember watching that on TV and saying, well, that's not who she is; that's not what she believes; that's not what she meant. And I'm sure that that's how she felt as well.

But the problem is that that's the kind of politics that we've been accustomed to. And I think Senator Clinton learned the wrong lesson from it, because she's adopting the same tactics.

What the American people want are not distractions. They want to figure out, how are we actually going to deliver on health care; how are we going to deliver better jobs for people; how are we going to improve their incomes; how are we going to send them to college?

That's what we have to focus on. And yes, they are in part frustrated and angry, because this is what passes for our politics in terms -- instead of figuring out, how do we build coalitions to actually move things forward?

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/17/america/16textdebate.php?page=4

[kerry-is-my-prez]

209. We've been trying to fight back for the last 10 years - good luck.....

n/t

[Elidor]

86. See, it's okay because the republicans will do it, too!

And inane, pointless, substance-free debate questions are good for you because Americans are all hopelessly stupid!

:eyes:

[Phillycat]

96. Would you mind searching the archives for your equally vociferous

protestations when Hillary was asked those same sorts of pointless questions for, oh, the entire past 6 months, and before? I'll wait here. :) Post links. And send chocolate, I'm feeling nibbly.

[not_too_L8]

148. Which questions are you referring to?

[Elidor]

190. No, I'll stick to the subject at hand

Namely: you think any behavior can be justified by pointing to the GOP and saying "They do it, too!"

No chocolate for yoo. Maybe you can search for your conscience.

[BeyondGeography]

99. That's right, we need to dumb down political discourse because the Republicans will do it too

:thumbsup:

[not_too_L8]

145. Only your perception

"THIS IS REALITY. THIS IS WHAT AN ELECTION LOOKS LIKE IN 2008 IN THIS COUNTRY"

If this is the reallity than why is HRC's low road politics doing more damage to her own campaign than Obama's?

I prefer to look for a better way!

[Ronnie]

191. What are Obama supporters going to do

if he gets to be president and some other world leader is, gasp, mean to him?

[ronnykmarshall]

230. Blame Hillary.

Cuz she's gonna call all those mean ol' leaders and tell them put whoopie cushions under Obama's chair.

[Phillycat]

5. Pile on those attacks on Hillary, go ahead. She just smiles and stands tall.

Which is why she needs to be our candidate in November.

[NJmaverick]

13. Hasn't George Bush done the same thing?

In face of everyone piling on him for his Iraq invasion, he just smiles and stands tall.

[Phillycat]

14. Yes, it's what all winning candidates do.

What's your point? :shrug:

[NJmaverick]

24. Winning and George Bush don't belong in the same sentence

Beyond that, it's not what "all" winning candidates do. It's what BAD Presidents, that win the an election do.

[Phillycat]

29. Dude, Repukes are vile, but they win.

For years on this site, we've been talking about how we can be more like the Repukes in this one way - how can we WIN. Being a Dem often means sacrificing elections/power for integrity. In this case, we don't have to do that - Hillary has integrity AND can win. I don't think Obama can.

(I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is - but I do hope it's Hillary.)

[chascarrillo]

87. Yeah, they did a great job of winning in 2006. No one wants vile anymore.

Wake up.

[MattBaggins]

164. Hillary has integrity

Why don't you try that out as your new campaign slogan. See how far that gets her before the snickering turns into belly laughs.

[hfojvt]

187. it might work

Even though it has been clearly established, to those who are paying attention, that she does not have integrity, she still has celebrity and many powerful backers. Many in the M$M will puff her up and that is what many in the general public will see. Just like they did with George W. Bush. Even though he was an obvious liar, the media glossed over that fact and instead went after his opponent on trivia and made up sh*t.

[GoneOffShore]

240. "Hillary has integrity" When did that happen?

Did she take a pill?

A Dale Carnegie course?

Get a dispensation from Ratzinger for all the lies?

You just keep that meme up and I'm sure things will turn out just fine for you.

And just in case you missed it -
:sarcasm:

[Drunken Irishman]

149. Well obviously it isn't working.

Unless you call losing winning, then maybe you're right...Clinton is "winning".

But in the real world, Clinton is losing because she's a loser. She is not a good candidate and every time she attacks, more and more people dislike her even more. If by some wild, unforeseen reason Hillary actually wins the nomination, her negatives will rival Nixon when he left the WH and Bush TODAY. Which means an easy McCain victory.

That ain't winning, Janesez, that's a losa.

[ShortnFiery]

18. HRC did look self-righteous and small ... very small.

:thumbsdown:

[polpilot]

23. Obama is embarrassed to be on stage with a Pro-War, Pro-NAFTA candidate as he should be

[Justyce]

205. Are you kidding? Do you really think Obama is against free trade?

Senator Obama: "I believe in the Free Market. I believe in Capitalism. I believe in Free Trade. I am not worried about us being able to compete anywhere on earth with American workers."

And as far as being "on stage with a Pro-War", he's never been opposed to being on stage with Kerry who also voted for the war (and I would venture to say that most people on DU voted for Kerry in '04), and Obama's never been opposed to continuing to fund the war either.

[SeaLyons]

252. No, he should be embarrassed about

his choices in mentors and friends.

[0007]

41. ......and if someone looked like a meanie, she would immediately

start shedding tears. The boys are after me again!!

Those human moments that only the gal with experience can have.
Fuck the Queen and feed her cheese.

[NDambi]

33. But she won't. 'Nuff said.

[Triana]

42. She just smiles and stoops lower....

...which is why she doesn't need to be our candidate in November.

That's not change. It's the same old shit we've been getting from GWB, Inc. for the past 7.5 years.

No thanks.

[John Q. Citizen]

52. Except that Hill has already disqualified herself from the nomination by endorsing McCain.

Except for that, and the fact she's trailing way behind in delegates, states won and popular vote.

And except that her negatives are the highest since polling began on her negatives in 1992.

The Emperor Norton claimed he was the Emperor until the day he died. He was tenacious too. Of course he was delusional. But tenacious none the less. He smiled and stood tall also. Just saying.

[Hepburn]

110. Smiles and stands tall?

More like she drinks and lies....:eyes:

[dionysus]

137. actually she deflects and outright lies...

[hfojvt]

181. She's not standing tall

and no matter how much she can smile at all the smears, she is still detested by a large group of registered voters, including many on the left.

[Kahuna]

247. Wrongo!!!!! She whines that she's being picked on by the boys because

she's just a girl. :cry:

[Hepburn]

106. A rec for this post!

:applause:

[redqueen]

111. ...

:thumbsup:

[roguevalley]

152. what an absurd OP. Truly sad.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. "Mad and stuttery?"

[WVRevy]

6. We would never BE in your position.

Barack Obama has too much integrity and honor to stay in a race for his own self aggrandizement. Only Shrillary can't seem to get it through her head that she's already lost.

[Phillycat]

10. She better not go anywhere, I'm voting for her Tuesday. :)

I think you need a hug. :hug:

[Hepburn]

112. I think you need a brain....

...but thanks for giving out hugs...:eyes:

[Phillycat]

115. Wait, that last hug didn't take.

C'mere. :hug:

[Hepburn]

123. Ummmmmmm...

...no thanks. I am not into pandering.

[Phillycat]

126. Just relax into it...

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

226. You go!!

:spray:

[Phillycat]

236. Hey Ronny!

Got your PM - thanks. :hi:

[Bake]

130. Janesez, you should know better

You should know better than to try to promote unity with the cult members! They'll just snap your head off! Unity, for them, means everybody falls in line behind their guy or just shuts the F up ... here, have a nice glass of Kool-Aid!

:hi:

Bake

[Hepburn]

157. IGNORE POSTER is our friend...

...click.

[Bake]

160. Oh dear, Hepburn is ignoring me!

What ever shall I do?????

Can't send a hug to somebody who's ignoring you, I guess ...

Bake

[ronnykmarshall]

231. GET OUT OF THE WAY!!

That's my favorite new marching orders from O-Town.

[SammyWinstonJack]

51. His own self aggrandizement is the ONLY reason he is in this race. Sorry you can't see that.

:shrug: It maybe Hillary's reason as well. I don't support either of them, both have huge egos.

[Shae]

81. ummm...

"His own self aggrandizement is the ONLY reason he is in this race."

Also, he's winning.
Sorry you can't see that.

[DUyellow]

7. The problem isn't the questions, its that Clinton supports this type of politics.

I do not care about the questions, it was the fact that no matter how right-wing the question is, Clinton was right there to add to it.

Like Obama said last night, she learned the wrong lesson from the 90's

[billyoc]

8. You're right, if I was supporting a candidate that could not possibly win, I wouldn't last.

Neither will you.

[Epiphany4z]

9. I didn't think the questions where tough

Unexpected because frankly...they did not belong in the debate..I mean...we have record foreclosures, job loss, war, food riots in poor countries, rising cost of gas, and food..ect ect..and they wanted to talk about flag pins and tabloid gotcha crap...I do not call that tough questions.

[JoFerret]

11. Hillary is fighting for her political life

and she did damn well.

These Obama folk need to stop with the fretting. Most people - unfortunately - are not paying attention and will continue down the path of second best candidate. (But still a great candidate.)

If anyone would like an on-line experience of being an abused minority - try get behind Hillary for a day.

[Phillycat]

20. Yeah, it's pretty funny.

I've been called everything from a Freeper to a Nazi to a Fascist to a bitch to an elitist to a stupid hillbilly. :D I figure if Hillary can take the incessant abuse, I can dip my toe in every now and then too.

[JoFerret]

30. Did you catch gail Collins on Obama hissed for ageism

It’s amazing how often age comes up in this campaign, even on the Democratic side. This week, while he was speaking in Philadelphia, Obama told the story about how he went to a sparsely attended gathering at Greenwood, S.C., feeling tired and slightly depressed until a local woman appeared, crying out: “Fired up and ready to go!”

“She’s seen some years,” Obama said, describing the scene to a room full of well-fed politicians and union officials. “She’s maybe close to 60 ...”

Oh, no! Some middle-aged women in the crowd started to hiss. The battered Obama campaign aides must have been swooning. First the gun lovers, now the baby boomers.

Seniors vs. juniors.

Think of it as a welcome break from gender and race.

[PoliticalAmazon]

264. Bill Clinton the ageist said Hillary Clinton is old. n/t

[Hepburn]

116. Her political life is being able to go on TV and tell lies about sniper fire?

:eyes: Wow...that is impressive.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Give it a rest. HRC has had "the machine politicos" behind her yet for all those BULLIES

Obama's still standing strong.

God Bless him for taking the high road.

I look forward to a President who truly embraces his values and demonstrates them, in good times and bad, with gracious moral courage.

All HRC has left is self-righteous indignation.

WE, Obama supporters have had it easy? Bullshit! You've had the lion's share of Democratic Big Wigs with HRC as well as the M$M. Don't even get me started about SNL. :grr:

STILL, we scored "The Boss" yesterday. :grouphug:

Now, do try NOT to be bitter as you scamper back to the "other site" to enjoy your blessed "five minutes of Obama hate." :evilgrin:

Its truly OBAMA TIME!

Yes. We. Can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXR4JEbY1d8

[Swamp Rat]

84. ... and Sean Hannity & FUX Noise, Rash Limpballs & Clear Channel, and the GOP.

[knixphan]

214. Obama time, y'all.

[JoFerret]

256. Now that's a scary thought.

.

[Armstead]

15. Tough questions? No I am mad at stupid questions.

And please don't talk about the Clinton's thick skins. My God Hillary and her campaign have been specializing in victimization.

Hillary is the biggest sissy on the scene when it comes to whining about supposed mistreatment.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

177. "Why do I always go first?" Waaaah.

Next debate, wins coin toss, elects to go first.

:wtf:

[Orsino]

16. They didn't ask any tough questions.

For those of us more concerned with open, fair elections than with tea-bagging opposition supporters, it's emblematic of what's wrong with corporate rule.

[Phillycat]

21. Hee! You must be joking!

When Hillary gets pounded all day every day, it's because she deserves it. But when your man gets it, it's corporate media bias.

[splat]

34. Awful lot of first-timers here who don't know that politics will break their hearts

[Phillycat]

40. Ain't that the truth.

My heart's been broken into a million pieces by this electorate and this national process for years. Now I'm just older and wiser.

[splat]

55. Hillary's been through it all, too

From McGovern on...

[Phillycat]

57. Exactly. That's exactly why I support her.

We used to have a DU'er called "Nothingshocksmeanymore". (I miss her.) That's how I always think of Hillary. There is nothing that they could possibly throw at her that she hasn't heard and responded to a million times before. She is like iron.

[GalleryGod]

259. Why is she losing? Let's ask Patty Solis-Doyle ?

There was a great choice!?

[Hepburn]

120. If you in fact were older and wiser...

...the LAST candidate you would be supporting is a LIAR like Hillary.

[Phillycat]

122. It's all perception, isn't it?

You think Hillary is a liar; I think Obama is. I will vote for whomever the nominee is, because I'm a Democrat. Can you say the same?

[Bake]

133. Let's ALL give Hepburn a hug!

I think his/her dog bit him/her.

:grouphug:

Bake

[Phillycat]

134. Yeah, it seems like the wound might be festering.

Anyone that nasty must have a miserable life. We should start a drive - "Hugs for Hepburn". We could make t-shirts. :)

:loveya: Bake

[MattBaggins]

170. Take your self pity and stuff it

Your older, jaded, bitter and cynical. You are not wiser and we don't need you telling us "kids" how politics is. You are the problem.

[Phillycat]

184. You need a big, big hug.

:hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

234. YEAH!

Tell that old bag to "get out of the way".

No, no let me do it!!

Get out of the way, you old bag!

There! See? That'll show that old bag!

UNITY! CHANGE! HOPE!

[Orsino]

92. I made no such distinction.

When the MSM wastes our time in mindless attacks against our candidates, it's corporate media bias. 2008 is far too late to feign surprise.

[Phillycat]

100. Would you mind searching the archives

and finding your equally vociferous protestations when Hillary was incessantly pounded with the same sort of errant nonsense? Post links; I'll wait here. :)

[Orsino]

109. How many would satisfy you?

Or did you check already?

[Orsino]

225. Apparently, I've passed muster?

:shrug:

[otohara]

156. Do You Believe In The American Flag

How's that being pounded?

[JimGinPA]

17. If My Candidate Had Lost 11 Contests In A Row, And Was Broke...

And behind in delegates so far that it would be impossible to catch up and just dragging out the primary season to hurt our eventual nominee, I would want him to drop out. But then, I'm a Democrat.

[Phillycat]

22. Let's see what happens in your and my state Tuesday. :)

You need a hug too. :hug:

[AllentownJake]

19. You defend

A dishonest and vile person. I don't want to be in your position.

[Phillycat]

26. Let's just see what happens in our state on Tuesday, okay? :)

A hug for you too. :hug:

[AllentownJake]

32. I may vote her

than I will take a 2 hour shower and puke afterwards. However I will never be able to knock on a door or make a call for her or give her one dollar.

In the GE of course

[Phillycat]

36. I feel exactly the same about Obama - except I WILL vote for him if he is

the nominee. I am a Democrat first.

[AllentownJake]

43. I'll calm down by November

and do the right thing. If the election was held in September I'd be writing by dead father's name in if she won.

[Phillycat]

45. That's because we PA'ans are practical first and foremost.

:toast:

[AllentownJake]

93. I'm PA Dutch

We always end up doing the practical thing :-)

[ronnykmarshall]

235. I'll see you 2 hour shower and puke ..

and raise you one high colonic irrigation and a skin peel.

[MattBaggins]

171. Is her win in your state

going to give her enough delegates to overcome his lead?

[dionysus]

138. ching...

[Buzz Clik]

25. Wouldn't last? We're here. Quit whining.

[Austinitis]

27. It feels great to finally turn the tables

When Hillary was doing badly Obama supporters kept saying stuff like "don't blame the media" for your candidate's failings.

Well, what went around has come around.

Don't blame the media, Obama people.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

[Hepburn]

35. IGNORE POSTER is our friend...

...click.

[bowens43]

28. YOu most live in one of those alternate universes I've read about.

How did you cross over to this side?

[Kajsa]

31. Excuse me?

"when they actually dare to ask some tough questions?"

Wrong adjective, they were trivial, non-issue distraction points that
have been spun to death by the MSM.

You may have noticed a number of us mentioning BOTH candidates were
shortchanged by the sensationalist, tabloid style questions lobbied at
both of them.

Mad and stuttering?

i don't think so--

Surprised at the stupidity and inane questions?

Yes- it does give one pause.

[Mags]

44. now come Kajsa, face the truth for once , he was muttering and stuttering.

he appeared to be in shock.

[Kajsa]

62. " Face the truth" ?

Hell yes he was in shock!

So were a lot of us when we heard the incredibly
stupid questions.

He thought ( as no doubt so did Hillary) that they would be
questioned on their positions, their goals and
THE REAL ISSUES FACING OUR COUNTRY.

Shock, Hell, yes!

He was too much of a gentleman to say what he might have been thinking,
i.e. why are you wasting everyone's time with this stupid bullshit?

Flag pins, Farrakhan- give me a friggin break!

[Mags]

72. why didn't he have the guts to call the moderators out and

tell them that these questions were off base, if that is what he thought?

[Kajsa]

94. He did mention several times,

that the questions were distractions from the
real issues they should be discussing.

--Several times- to no avail.

Why didn't you hear that?

[Mags]

108. actually no, I'll have to go back and check it out. I guess he wasn't forceful enough

[Kajsa]

129. "wasn't forceful enough" ?

--nothing was going to deter GS and CB from their
Star Magazine type questioning.


They had already written the script and were not about to change
it.

They completely ignored his comments.

Edit- please read his comment in this OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5546418

[Mags]

132. he should have taken command of the situation, if he can't

stand up to Charlie and George, I don't think he is ready for Pres.

[Kajsa]

155. Because he couldn't derail two Rabid Correspondents,

He didn't "take command of the situation"?

He did.
It didn't work.
They ignored his comments.

Hillary couldn't deter them, either.

I'm getting nowhere fast trying to get this across to you.

:banghead:

[Mags]

161. If he could not force him self to get into issues he want, then

how is he going to force him self on issues with world leaders?

[Kajsa]

166. I would most certainly hope that the majority

of the world's leaders do NOT conduct themselves
like GS and CG did last night!

Rotten apples and oranges---

:wow:

answer this question,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5546645&mesg_id=5549017

[Kajsa]

173. Hillary couldn't deter them, either!

So the same holds true for her?

[Mags]

188. I didn't see her try. I think she thought it was good medicine for Obama

she has been treated like that since the beginning.

[Kajsa]

196. They were throwing them at her, too.

The Bosnia " sniper fire",
this viewer thinks " you are untrustworthy", etc.

You're right, she did nothing to deter it.

[Mags]

197. she has had this stuff thrown at her for years. She's tough. He needs to be also.

[MattBaggins]

174. Good then you agree

that Hillary is even less qualified since she didn't just refuse to stand up; she actually thought last night was good old fashoined political fun and joined right in with the nonsense. I guess we all have to quit DU and go join the freepers.

[Mags]

189. Why should Hillary jump to Obama defense ,he shouldn't need

a referee.

[MattBaggins]

193. Do you know what happens in November?

If in some warped alternative universe your hero wins will you object if I just shrug or point and laugh when she gets even worse thrown at her in psuedo debates?

Ya know it's not my job to be her referee.
Just so ya know she's only being vetted.

[Mags]

194. no problem. Hey, you have the right to vote for the Pied Piper if you want.

[knixphan]

215. Being a gentleman is tough.

And being a brown-skinned, truth-telling, front-running presidential candidate WHILE being a gentleman, is tougher.

[Kajsa]

238. It sure is, knixphan.

Yet, he kept his cool under enormous pressure.

He is a true gentlemen.

[YOY]

64. I'd be in shock too.

I was expecting a debate about the real issues not a fluff job talking about flag pins and bullshit.

There are real issues you know.

[Triana]

37. STUPID questions do not equal TOUGH questions....

....not the same thing.

[SeaLyons]

47. Those "stupid "questions were obviously tough for Obama

Stupid or tough is not the issue. He blew it.

[Triana]

54. Stupid is the issue....

....he blew stupid eh? Good. I don't want a President who does stupid well. As I said, we've had enough of that.

I want someone who spends time and effort on the important issues, and who does that well -- not someone who does stupid bullshit well - and the important stuff badly, if at all. We already have that in GWB. And in Hillary, according to you (and according to history).

Like a shit-filled diaper, it stinks. Time to change it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

63. cricket08, I heard someone you served on a board with got arrested for drowning kittens 40 years ago

So my question is why do you hate kittens? Hillary Clinton: "I definitely think we need more investigation into cricket08's relationship with that kitten slayer. I would never associate with someone who harmed a kitten!"

That pretty much summed up what happened last night. And if you think that it was fair, then maybe your candidate should start getting asked about things like Vince Foster and Monica Lewinsky in debates.

[SeaLyons]

80. Good try, but that is not what happened last night...

What happened is your candidate had a very poor performance.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

91. It's pretty obvious that's what happened last night.

Unless you really like to Pastorbate and think that William Ayers and flag pins are important.

It was a hatchet job. And I say this as someone who thought Russert and co. were assholes to Senator Clinton back in a debate several months ago.

[SeaLyons]

117. I do think

Ayers is a big deal. I also think Wright is a big deal. Reason why....GE. Obama did not handle those two problems and they will haunt him if he gets the nomination. Not all of America is in Obama's pocket like his supporters on this board. It's a problem. Our goal is the White House. I'm not saying he can't overcome his piss poor performance last night, but he and his supporters need to own it and fix it. Not just place blame.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

223. Mark Rich, Ron Burkle, Mark Penn, Vinod Gupta etc. are bigger deals.

Why do you think we haven't heard much about them? Because the GOP was salivating over the prospect of running against Clinton and throwing them at her. Let's not even get into Mr. Bill "I've Been On A Woman Diet All Year" Clinton's widely rumored zipper escapades since leaving the White House.

Y'all need to "own and fix" those before you go around casting stones at Obama for his pastor and some guy who did something illegal back when he was 8.

[truebrit71]

119. ..but you wouldn't expect a former employee to be that harsh on her would you?

:eyes:

Between the freeper questions to Obama and the softballs lobbed at Hillary McCain it was one of the most despicable examples of partisan favouritism I have ever seen NOT being shown on Fixed Noizze...

[SeaLyons]

154. That's really funny....

"Between the freeper questions to Obama and the softballs lobbed at Hillary McCain it was one of the most despicable examples of partisan favouritism I have ever seen NOT being shown on Fixed Noizze..."


I guess you don't watch Keith every night. That's what he's been doing to Hillary for year now. Oh yea, Keith is the new Faux News for Obama. I guess when it's against your candidate, it becomes "partisan favouritism".

[knixphan]

216. ding ding ding!

THAT

Is the correct answer.

[nichomachus]

38. Maybe Obama supporters wouldn't put themselves in your position

[Bensthename]

39. Sorry, but Hillary does it to herself. Like losing the most states and having no money.

And I will accept McCain saying he is the better candidate. I can not accept Hillary saying McCain is better than Obama.. There will be no problem. And from what we have seen from McCain, he runs a better campaign then Hillary by far.

[Left coast liberal]

48. Thick skin or think head?

[Phillycat]

49. Uh, think head, I guess. She does think. In her head.

I don't think I follow. :D

[Kajsa]

50. " Tough questions"??!?

Like GS's " does Reverend Wright love America as much as you do?"

Fucking brilliant, pertinent question!

How in the hell does Obama know- can he get inside Wright's head?!?

I was surprised I didn't hear,

Senator Clinton/Obama-

You once purchased a sandwich from a shop owned by Mr. Magoo.
He was later convicted of spousal abuse after beating his wife.

Why do you condone spousal abuse?

Get the picture?

Tough questions, my foot!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

53. We'll see how you react when Clinton is asked about Vince Foster at a debate. nt

[Phillycat]

59. Oh yeah, because she's not prepared for that.

For god's sake. Did you start following politics last week? Hillary Clinton has been attacked by the media for so long, there is nothing that could possible surprise/shock/fluster her.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

75. Oh okay, how about something that happened AFTER 2000 then?

Like her husband's connections with creeps like Ron Burkle and Vinod Gupta. Or how about asking her why her husband and top adviser were negotiating with Colombia for the trade deal while she was acting like she was against it.

Just to name a few things. Face it, the Clintons are dirty and the GOP was salivating to run against Hillary this year. Time did not freeze in 2000 so enough with the "she's fully vetted" bullcrap.

At any rate, I'm sure she would have been pissed and flustered to be asked about Foster during the debate. Or maybe not, since she was clearly fed all the questions and answers beforehand.

[Phillycat]

83. Yes, because it's impossible to believe she was just more prepared.

Listen, Hillary is no saint, and neither is Obama. With the laser focus 24 hour a day coverage they're going to get as the nominee, both of them will have skeletons unearthed. That is the nature of US politics in 2008. The question is which one of them will handle it better and be successfully elected. After last night's debate, it's clear Obama will not handle it well - and this isn't the first time he's reacted angrily and whinily to questions he didn't like.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

97. What did she have to prepare for?

SHE wasn't the target of Pastorbating flag pin fetishists! She got asked about the sniper fire and gave the same evasive bullshit answer that she's been using the past few days.

[Phillycat]

103. Did you not want to respond to the substantive portion of my reply?

Well, that's all right. Here, have a hug. :hug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

221. WHAT substantive portion?

He wasn't "prepared" enough for ridiculous questions about OTHER people's patriotism habits?

[GoneOffShore]

251. "Pastorbating flag pin fetishists"!!!

I'm thieving that line.

Pastorbating flag pin fetishists who are members of the Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Outrage - George Stephapoulus -Chief Pastorbater.

[nxylas]

66. Or Huma

These non-stories are currently confined to the wilder shores of the RW blogosphere. If she is the nominee, it wouldn't stay that way for long.

[Justitia]

124. Not that much wilder. It's been mentioned in the Village Voice & the NY Observer, among others.

Hillary's "relationship" with the woman who has been her constant companion since 1996 will most certainly be used against her by the GOP.

I can only hope she is as prepared as she was last night when ABC asks her in a debate about her "association" with Huma.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

224. Does it really matter how prepared you are when it comes to those things?

Even if you give the pithiest most spot-on answer to the question, the question itself gets exactly what your enemies want others to think of you out there. It helps to be prepared but it also takes a media who is willing to roll over for you like they do for Bush and other corrupt GOPers. McCain can't respond his way out of a paper bag but I seriously doubt he'll be asked about his lobbyist "friend" at a debate.

[mtnester]

79. Like she has been asked about that for YEARS now?

Yeah, we have seen how that goes for almost two decades now...I don't think she will have any trouble with that...I suggest that YOU simply want her asked about it to satisfy some secret thing you harbor about the Clinton's and Vince Foster. I can almost picture you standing up, yelling YES, pumping your arm up and down and dancing all over the living room. Absolutely.

[JohnnyLib2]

56. That "inevitablility" label does have its disadvantages.

And these days it's Obama, not Clinton who has the label.

:shrug:

Recommended

[chascarrillo]

58. Those weren't tough Qs. Tough Qs would be "how do you lower gas $$$ or solve the housing crisis?"

Are you happy with the content of last night's debate? The thing that irks most of us Obama supporters is not that the questions were uncomfortable, but that ABC spent an hour on trivialities. And those weren't tough questions. Tough questions would be something like "how the hell do you fix the credit meltdown?"

This debate was bullshit.

[Triana]

61. Exactly. The "debate" was a bullshit waste of time (n/t)

[Phillycat]

71. See my reply 65 at the top of the thread. Thanks.

[chascarrillo]

77. Quitter. Thanks.

[JoFerret]

257. Quitter?

What kind of bonehead retort is that?

[Raffi Ella]

67. Barack got a tiny taste of what it's like for Hillary every day.

And he handled it badly!

The threads in DG P this morning are laughable! After the VICIOUS Right Wing style NON STOP attacks on Hillary here I'm supposed to give a flying flip! about Barack being asked questions he didn't like!?? omg, lol.

Barack Obama and his supporter's wouldn't last a DAY in Hillary's shoes, not a single freakin' day!

[haymakeragain]

68. You mean the position of "It's my girl or nobody"? We'd never be in that position.

We're not that selfish and pathetic.

[Phillycat]

74. Uh, I've stated repeatedly on this thread that I will vote for whomever

the Dem nominee is. I don't think most of your fellow Obama supporters have said the same. So peddle your personal attacks elsewhere.

[haymakeragain]

199. Sure you have, whatever. You're premise in the OP was bullshit, quit whining

when I squash it. No other candidate would force this upon the party EXCEPT the Clinton's and their entitled followers.

FYI, you're not entitled to anything. The Party is suffering majorly for you selfishness and Obama wouldn't have done the same thing if the roles had been reversed.

Good luck with Hillarious if you manage to steal this one from Obama.

[Phillycat]

200. Nobody needs a hug more than you right now!

:hug:

[haymakeragain]

203. Nobody needs a clue more than you right now.

Here's a clue: People don't like your candidate very much at all, from either side of the aisle. Just so you know, that love your getting from Rush and Hannity isn't real, so stop swooning over them. They are playin' ya.

[Phillycat]

206. That's it, just relax...ease into it.

Feel my warm arms around you. :hug: Let all the tension go...

[haymakeragain]

208. Get your stinkin' hands off me you damn, dirty Hillarian!

Gross. Off to the shower. Get the iodine!!!!!!

[Phillycat]

210. Your anger only incites my hug reflex.

I could hug you all day. :hug:

[haymakeragain]

211. It's not anger, it's revulsion. Hug your cat.

I need 5 feet from all Hillarians.

[Phillycat]

212. It must be very hard to live in the world for you.

Here, be soothed with a nice hug. :hug:

[ronnykmarshall]

237. I'll help too.

:grouphug:

[Beacool]

69. They have been whining since last night.

His supporters have flooded ABC with calls and emails. How dare they ask Obama tough questions!!!!!!

The reality is that these are the type of issues that will appear in the fall if Obama is the nominee. Questions about his patriotism, religion, Rev. Wright, "bittergate", Ayles, Rezko, etc. are not going to go away and he will be pounded with them.

I wish that those who were so outraged by the ABC debate would have been equally angered at what MSNBC did to Hillary in their debates.

[chascarrillo]

70. Approving of this style of "journalism" is disgusting. And I was angered by MSNBC's treatment of HRC

(HRC abbreviated due to space, sorry!)

[Phillycat]

76. There's a difference between approval and accepting reality.

See my post 65 at the top of the thread.

[chascarrillo]

85. That's called "giving up". "Quitting". "Rolling over." No thanks.

[Beacool]

151. I didn't say that I approved it, just that it is the reality

that Obama will face if he's the nominee.

Obviously, Hillary would also have issues that they would throw her way if she were the nominee.

[quiet.american]

73. Sure. Obama can't take it. That's why Clinton's hanging on by her fingernails right now.

Whatever works for you.

[L0oniX]

78. Hillary supporters obviously don't care about the candidates getting asked questions about ...

the economy or the war or health care or corporate influence of our government or social security or defense or energy or environment or the recession or ...oh fuck it ...the list it too big.

Hey you stupid bastards on tv, why isn't Hillary wearing a flag pin and why aren't you all wearing flag pins? Morons!

[burythehatchet]

89. I commend you for the intricate details in your fantasy. You must be a creative sort.

By the way, you're also clueless.

The mistake has already been avoided by preventing the Clinton Cancer from afflicting the country. I'm focused on kicking her ass out of the senate, god willing.

[rndmprsn]

90. the "sense of entitlement" is valid...it comes from the legitimacy of a candidate who has won...

the primaries. the reason we feel "bitter" towards your candidate is that she is trying to go against the democratic wishes of primary voters who have played by the rules and feel like they might be getting "cheated".

its a little more complex that your amateur psychological bit represents.

[Catherine Vincent]

95. You should have been here last night.

Bunch of crybabies.:)

[izzybeans]

101. Right.

Because there has been substance to these attacks. Hasn't there?

:rofl:

[anonymous171]

104. Imagine if the first 40 minutes of the debate were focused on Whitewater and Vince Foster

[Phillycat]

113. Yes, because Hillary would be SHOCKED if those things came up.

Oh, no, wait. She's been answering those questions easily for years now. Hmm. So what, exactly, is your point?

[chascarrillo]

127. Yeah, Clinton and her supporters never WHINED about her treatment in the debates.

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

(And, for the record, I complained about the way she was treated in a number of debates, so, there you go. I'm a whiner too. Sue me.)

[rucky]

105. Would you be saying the same thing if that debate were vs. McCain?

[GoesTo11]

107. Hillary thinks she's been under fire, but she's mistaken

[dpbrown]

114. Boy, you got that right. Ask a question and supporters get all whiney

Entitlement much?

[Bad Thoughts]

121. No equivalence

Those early debate that Clinton supporters complained about, that were parodied on SNL, may have been tougher on Clinton, but they were on policy, not rumor. No one left the debate with a sense that the value of either candidate was really diminished. Indeed, they were beauty pageants for all. Now, the debates have become teardowns of both (yes, Obama more). They don't make Clinton more attractive or electable as a candidate: Chris Bowers notes that the focus groups looked favorable on CLinton when she talked POLICY, not TRASH.

[Bonobo]

128. You're right. We would have done the right thing by now and given our support to the winner.

[Phillycat]

135. He ain't won yet. :)

I'm looking forward to casting my vote for Senator Hillary Clinton on Tuesday. :)

[JVS]

141. yup

[BigDDem]

131. Note to Barry:

Grow a spine.

[Name removed]

180. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dionysus]

136. ok, my sentiment from yesterday now applies.

you are just a haughty, condescending shillbot... and not that smart either...

:rofl: indeed, your queen isn't going to win.

[Phillycat]

142. Hee!

You very much need a hug. :hug:

[Milo_Bloom]

139. Obama supporters would have admitted when it was over.

[Mezzo]

140. Truer words.

:popcorn:

I hope they can buckle up, because this is gonna be a bumpy ride.

[TheWraith]

143. We spent a year listening to you shouting at anyone who disagreed with you to get in line.

A year of inevitable, bashing of all the other candidates, shouting down opposition, trumpeting meaningless polls, and instructing anybody not a true believer to get in line.

You want to talk about coddling? No candidate other than Clinton would still be taken seriously after losing as badly as she has. You want to talk about entitlement? Obama actually went out and won the election, as opposed to assuming that he was going to win it, and saying that he HAD to win because it was "his turn."

Congratulations. You've completed the cycle of blaming everything Clinton has done on Obama.

[Phillycat]

144. Actually I was an Edwards supporter until he dropped out.

Obama and Hillary were both at the bottom of my list. You might be shocked to hear that when everyone was still in (Biden, Gravel, Kucinich, etc) Hillary and Obama were the bottom two on every single DU poll posted. No one on this website wanted them to be our nominees. Check the archives if you don't believe me. They are more alike than they are different, which is what makes all this brouhaha in GD-P so funny.

But anyway. Thanks for playing. :)

[Malikshah]

147. Par for the course with these folks-- Fellow Edwards supporter

who has been accused of being a Hillbot or Obamanian depending on the post.

I was going to talk about your main point in the OP but you covered it quite nicely.

I wonder if these folks actually have any self-awareness-- They are coming across as a tad unhinged and this won't work in a general election.

[haymakeragain]

202. Baloney.

Nice try, too bad I'm not buying it. You phonies are such cowards the way you squeal about the "general election" and how the mean old repubics are going to do this, and they're going to do that.

We're not afraid of anything that will come our way and not expecting it to be a cake-walk, and we will stand up for our candidate until the end. What we really detest is Hillary doing the exact same thing as the Repubes. Just bolsters the fact that we don't like Hillary and the status quo that she represents. If you ask me, getting Hillary is not that different than getting McCain. He's just talkin' crazy to get his base out and Hills just talkin' progressive to get hers, when all is said and done, it'll be the same old shit.

[Malikshah]

213. Ah, ya got me...*takes off mask to reveal Bill Clinton*

Aw shucks....

Please. Get some help quick.

It's getting kind of embarrassing for some of you.

[TheWraith]

243. I was around here, you know.

My apologies for not being psychic and knowing that you were an Edwards supporter. You're mistaken though--Obama wasn't usually one of the bottom two. And there was indeed a crowd of very, very vocal Clinton supporters.

[catnhatnh]

146. Hmmm, Thick skinned and tenacious....

If we use synonyms of tenacious (tough or stubborn) then we can assume the three groups most like Clinton supporters are:

Animal-Elephant/GOP mascot
Vegetable-John McCain before the next presidential election
Mineral-Geode,strong surface with a hollow core

Great description,Thanks.....

[barack the house]

153. Yep, for certain as the math would indicate Obama had lost in reverse. So after a second it would

be over. I can't imagine any Obama donating to campaign that couldn't wwin the nomination.

[Shakespeare]

162. Oh, come on. The analysis ACROSS THE BOARD is that ABC did a dreadful job.

Every single media review of the debate focused on what a horrible job ABC did. The complaints are right on the money.

It wasn't a great night for either candidate (I don't support Hillary OR Obama--I was an Edwards supporter who'll vote for the eventual nominee). I was disgusted. 45 minutes talking about non-scandals of BOTH candidates, then Gibson ARGUING with Obama over capital gains--it was shameful. No issues, just questions straight out of Hannity's wet dream.

What was most disturbing was the way the questions were framed to assume that the GOP position on the issues is the correct position.

Hillary did OK last night, during the BRIEF span when issues were actually debated. That doesn't mean it wasn't a shitty debate overall, though.

[stevenleser]

163. Official Silly posit *plonk*

[rodeodance]

165. Thanks.

[Fox Mulder]

167. What tough questions?

It was a joke of a debate and even you should know that.

[Radical Activist]

169. I promise not to cry over it.

[EFerrari]

172. LOL! I've been in your position for the last seven and a half years. n/t

[stillcool]

175. Good luck to you and your kind....

Maybe you should take something to ease your bitter, bitter, bitter heart. I can't imagine what it is like to be so condescending, self-righteous and arrogant towards any human being, but you seem to have worked at it for a long time. Maybe you had good teachers?

[Phillycat]

186. Hugs to you!

:hug:

[BlooInBloo]

178. It's true - we wouldn't last long supporting the poorer candidate...

... That's the difference - we're capable of learning.

[ronnykmarshall]

179. You just stop that you ol' meanie!

Those bad men were ever so cross to Mr. Obama!

[knixphan]

182. If you're part of the middle class

we're all in the same f'ing position.

[Life Long Dem]

185. Time you wake up.

[barb162]

195. Very nice post, THANKS. K&R

[MethuenProgressive]

198. k&r!

!!

[hayu_lol]

204. Nice going Jane...wish you luck in your primary!

It really is past time to return these so-called debates to the League Of Women Voters so that important issues can be discussed.

The cretins of the media fail miserably.

[Kurovski]

201. "Ignored"

Oh absolutely!

But on the other hand, you could be confusing "tenacity" with "personality disorders".

[Skwmom]

207. I would never be in your shoes b/c I would never support someone like Clinton.

He wasn't mad and stuttery last night but continue the lies and spin - it's par for the course.

[intaglio]

217. Just correcting a couple of errors

"It appears Hillary and her supporters have thick skins ..."
Make that skulls and I will agree. The skin is terribly thin when you point out that Hillary is a vacillating, lying, machine politico who is showing her age and inexperience with every word she utters. Why the Clinton supporters find her so exciting can only be down to an Elektra complex. But hey if you want a gerontocracy ...

"Has the media's coddling actually given you and your candidate such an enormous sense of entitlement ...
Who had a sense of entitlement? Who was inevitable? Who was going to win on Super Tuesday?

[Blue-Jay]

218. "Position"? I might hurt my neck in that position.

(OK. That was totally uncalled for, and I apologize in advance to the friends that I love who support Sen Clinton.)

[2rth2pwr]

219. Excellent. Short and Sweet.

[TankLV]

220. Hammer. Meet. Nail.

too bad it will go over the heads of the obamababies...

[bridgit]

222. I like that way you think, but you knew that...

:pals:

[FVZA_Colonel]

227. Self Delete.

Never mind.

[quakerboy]

229. I tried your position

Being DLC hurt my soul too much. Guess your right, I just can't make the cut as a republican lite.

[Joe the Revelator]

232. We're just more effective, instead of pots and pans, we actually make SURE that our voices are heard

Have you seen the new frame of the debate? The people win.

[Unbowed]

233. You got that right. The first time my candidate praised McCain over a fellow Dem, it would have been

THE FUCKING END.

Guess you Clinton supporters are are made of sterner stuff. I don't know how you do it frankly. It must be difficult to sacrifice ethics for the support of a candidate. Just not something I'm good at, I guess. You guys sure win in that department.

[guyanakoolaid]

239. You're right, if we had the same mathematical impossibility of winning, we'd probably have the grace

to bow out.

[question everything]

241. Right. Gibson and Stephanopoulos did not gravel in front of Obama

did not feel "a shiver up their legs" so they must be bad.

[JackBeck]

244. Could you please define what "in our position" means in your subject line?

Once you do, I might be able to respond to your post. It's kind of left dangling there like we're supposed to assume what you mean.

To define what you mean is crucial, since it's the set-up for the body of the argument you lay out in the rest of your post.

[Maddy McCall]

246. Up and Rec

[Downtown Hound]

248. Coddling?

You call stacking a former Clinton adviser who got talking points from Sean Hannity and actively sought out a woman who wrote a letter to the NY Times about Obama's flag pin to attack his patriotism coddling? What planet do you live on?

Name me one serious hit piece that the media has done on Hillary during this campaign, besides the sniper fiasco, which she completely brought on herself because she's an idiot, they have largely left her alone. They have relentlessly attacked Obama's pastor while ignoring her association with "The Family" a religious organization that has supported dictators and is attempting to undermine the separation of church and state.

They attack Obama for not wearing a flag pin while ignoring the fact that Hillary doesn't wear one either.

They seize on Obama's "bitter" comment as being elitist when it wasn't, ignoring the fact that Hillary literally said "screw 'em" when talking about blue collar workers.

My jury's out on whether or not Hillary supporters have thick skins, but they definitely have think heads. It's Hillary that has been treated with kid gloves in this election because she's the corporate Dem. She dines with Rupert Murdoch and takes more money from the drug companies than any other Dem, yet she talks about Universal Health Care. As if her masters are ever going to allow her to deliver on that promise.

She voted for the Iraq War.

She has said she would attack Iran.

She has supported John McCain over a fellow Democrat, because she's a vindictive bitch that ultimately cares for nothing except her own power.

She is a disgrace to the name Democrat. A power-hungry, mad woman who has little chance of beating McCain because she's more of the same, and people are tired of that.

And of all the things that Clinton supporters have done in this election, I find none so disgusting as their support of ABC's terrible debate. You actively cheer on Pravda style media as a sign that Obama "just can't take it." You really should be ashamed of yourselves for that, but I doubt that you will be. You think those are "tough" questions. They're bullshit questions. I thought Obama answered them fine, but that isn't the point. You have railed against media propaganda for years, and now you rally behind it because you think it helps your candidate. News flash, it's not helping her and all it does is cheapen yourselves and make you hypocrites.

Thick skins? Maybe. You'd have to to support that mad bitch. Thick heads and think bullshit? Definitely.

[carolinayellowdog]

249. All hostile us/them generalizations about millions of Democrats

harm all Democrats and America

[ForeignSpectator]

250. Wouldn't last two seconds?! That's right...

...they'd switch support to Obama in no time, it's a no-brainer by now really.

[saltpoint]

253. More to the point, we aren't IN your position. YOU wouldn't be in your

position if you had backed a candidate who did not feel she deserved the White House simply because she was her husband's wife.

There are other, significantly more qualified female human beings in politics who have at LEAST as much rationale if not more to seek the presidency.

Senator Clinton has run one of the worst campaigns in recent political memory and deserves the fate she's earned.

[Marie26]

254. It's tough being a Clinton supporter

The furor over the debate is sort of funny to me, because I'm sure the media was petty & unfair, but they were just as petty & unfair to Clinton in the MSNBC debate, & no one seemed to care so much then. The media hostility is almost expected when it comes to Clinton, but Obama's not as used to that. But IMO Obama supporters need to get used to it, because as soon as Obama's the nominee, they'll turn on him big time. It's already starting to happen. They just love McCain for some reason.

[krkaufman]

255. Then it is fortunate, indeed, that Obama supporters will not have to experience ...

... what Clinton and McCain supporters will experience this year.

[GalleryGod]

258. Tell me this, Janesez?

How ya' going to win ?
Here's a thought...maybe Billary should go 3rd Party.




Me on the far left,whilst,Little Dawg was hiding under his bed!
BTW...find one assertion in either book that is false...to avoid the mistake of Obama and nominate that HACK, Hillary!? A Matched Set of Pander Bears! To wit,The Clintons ran 4 times in Pa. never heard the "gun out behind the cottage by the lake story" until THIS month. Why? Well...everybody but Hilly is DEAD..she probably made it up...like sniper fire. BTW...if you've ever been under fire you NEVER get details mixed up. See sig line.




Good luck in holding on to the Senate seat!

[PoliticalAmazon]

260. Correct. Hillary "BushJr" Clinton would have lost my support a LONG time ago....

...I didn't vote for Bush Jr, and I'm sure not going to vote for his clone, Hillary.

[Occam Bandage]

261. Yeah. We'd be calling for our candidate to step down, because we're not delusional.

Well, at least I would. I'm sure Obama would have a few nutty dead-enders too.

[BlooInBloo]

263. Supporting the worse candidate? You're right. That's why we're not. Duh.

[Name removed]

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