BLOWBACK

[berni_mccoy]

Ouch. Us Obama supporters got hit with it. I can appreciate the Clinton supporters reveling in their perceived success last night (I don't think anything changed as a result of last night or that Obama lost). But the reaction of many of us Obama supporters, myself included, could be measurably stirred, like a thick stew that had been overcooked. Obama took a great deal of heat and many of us were not happy about it. But most of us were unhappy, not with the fact that Obama was under the microscope, but because for over an hour, the questions were focused to tear down the candidates character instead of focusing on the issues. It was a disgraceful debate no matter how you put it. And our anger and frustration last night was more about that than about Obama taking heat. There was also anger about Clinton's pile-on with the moderators, but, as Obama has said, that's politics as usual and you expect that from the losing candidate.

I do not blame the Clinton supporters that are still here who danced and had fun last night at our expense. They've certainly had their fare share of it from us. For myself, it was a bit of a blowback for posts and comments I've made in this forum. I will use last night's experience to measure my responses and posts moving forward. To the Clinton supporters, no harm, no foul.

Peace.

[SoFlaJet]

1. hey Berni, either Obama or Hillary

would be a vast improvement over what we have now and what the GOP is offering us in McCain. I think the people get it, I think they saw through last night's sham and may even help Obama on Tuesday.

[roguevalley]

36. apparently the moderator got booed near the end.

[Ron Green]

2. Change is always a painful process.

Obama really represents a different kind of politician, and a different kind of politics (I certainly hope, after he's elected.) If the Hillary supporters are having a hard time with this, so are the general public, and most certainly the corporate news and entertainment establishment.

[Flying Dream Blues]

3. I blame ABC. Considering the circumstances, I think Obama did very well.

But he definitely looked pissed and discouraged...not at his chances but at the level of so-called "debate" they were allowed to get away with. I also think they need to schedule a little more rest for him before another debate. He looked exhausted.

[SoFlaJet]

5. "But they were all doing him a favor"

by vetting him...remember this is what the GOP has in store for him-we're helping him by toughening him up. Hey if Obama wanted to get his ass kicked by choice he could have stayed in Chicago and joined the Bloods or Crips and gotten his ass kicked in a savage initiation ceremony. Note to the press; Don't do us any more "favors"-fucking assholes

[PoliticalAmazon]

34. Considering it was 3 against 1, Obama did great.. n/t

[backscatter712]

4. Blowback? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Just wait a few days until this debate starts registering in the polls.

ABC really overhammed their propaganda last night, and just about everyone's calling them out for it.

The only Hillary fans reveling are the fanatics - the reasonable ones realize she got attacked too, and that the right wing would turn on her and give her the same treatment Obama got if she was the nominee.

Big loser? ABC.

[rocktivity]

9. DING DING DING! Backscatter, you're our grand prize winner!

The...reasonable...(Hillary supporters) realize she got attacked too, and that the right wing would...give her the same treatment...

They would--and if she pulls this out, they WILL.


Big loser? ABC.

Big winner? Fox News.


:headbang:
rocknation

[MindMatter]

45. How is Faux news the winner?

Because they no longer look like the biggest frauds in the news-tainment industry?

I'd be really curious how many people even watched the damn thing? My guess is not very many. And that is what is happening to the mainstream media. It isn't slipping quietly into irrelevance, it is marching proudly into irrelevance.

It has been said many times before, but bears repeating. There is something fundamentally wrong when you can count on getting a more insightful exploration of the issues on 30 minutes of The Daily Show -- realizing that they have to devote at least half their time to comedy -- than you can get watching all of the "legitimate" "news" (I'm running out of quotes) programs on TV.

[redqueen]

10. "The only Hillary fans reveling are the fanatics "

Fucking A.

[L0oniX]

19. They don't care if the important questions are not asked...

economy, war, environment, education, housing, health care, energy, defense, etc.

[redqueen]

25. Those are the types that view politics as nothing but a team sport.

My Side / Your Side... rah rah sis boom bah.

It's done wonders for politics, that kind of crap.

[aquart]

12. Uh, honey? We always knew what treatment Senator Clinton would receive.

See, we've already seen Senator Clinton come thru muck and fire with admirable grace.

You're the ones who thought Prince Obama would get the free pass.

[Hepburn]

24. Does that muck and fire include sniper fire?

Just curious....:hi:

[leftynyc]

41. You're a tiresome little child

Isn't it time for your nap yet?

[backscatter712]

28. Obama did pretty damned well in that ambush.

No, of course it's not gonna be easy to get a Democrat elected this fall. Obama's exactly what we need to take this country back - he's cool enough under fire and sharp enough when debating that he still came off the winner even though the debate was completely rigged against him.

Clinton got hit pretty hard too, though ABC was slightly more subtle with their jabs at her. All in all, ABC's debate was an ambush on all Democrats.

But like I said, the biggest loser from last night is going to be ABC - they overplayed their hand, and they're going to realize that most of us aren't fooled...

[elmerdem]

43. Obama didn't pile on.

Hillary did. He could have questioned her on Bosnia, but didn't. He took the high road.

After he pointed out that Hillary knew better that he was not an elitist & she stooped to gutter politics, she went right back to gutter politics.

Obama showed more restraint than I possibly could have. I'm voting for the man because he stood by his convictions not to stoop to her level, which would be pretty low.

[roguevalley]

38. elite people usually walk on water. ask Sir Edmund Hilarity.

[crankychatter]

18. exactly, RealWorld, RealTime Clinton Supporters are as livid as WE are

That was a disgraceful display

You can find it everywhere... less than focussing on the obvious, imbalanced fry job of Obama... the waste of our time and money... the simple impropriety of what could be the LAST Primary Debate... has us ALL furious...
good call

[PoliticalAmazon]

37. Oh, cry me a river. "Hillary got attacked, too"? It was a 3:1 hit job, and ...

...she had one of her inner circle as a freaking MODERATOR.

I am not surprised that Hillary supporters aren't also decrying the fraudulence of the hit-job on Obama (they must be pretty desperate by now), but I think it is an indication of how Hillary's negativism and Rove tactics have trickled down to her supporters.

[Blue_Roses]

6. I agree

I can handle asking the hard questions and they should be asked, but the "gotcha" piling on was ridiculous.

[Swamp Rat]

7. Those who danced and had fun last night did so with Sean Hannity, FUX Noise, and the GOP

Now they have fleas.

[redqueen]

11. Like they mind?

Many seem to be pretty comfortable in that company.

[aquart]

15. Slander.

But that's what you're comfortable with.

[redqueen]

21. Huh?

Are you celebrating the RW talking point ambush?

If not then you're not one of the ones we're allegedly "slandering". :eyes:

[Swamp Rat]

20. Well, they can wallow in their excrement all by themselves,

and after the election I will not acknowledge their existence. :)

[roguevalley]

39. many have actually contacted them on purpose. when they could

put down the pots and pans of course.

[aquart]

8. Peace to you.

[BeyondGeography]

13. A BS media helps explain how we invaded the wrong country, doubled our debt and saw incomes

drop for the first time since WWII in an economic expansion, all without anyone noticing before it was too late.

It's not the "gotcha," it's the dereliction of duty.

[uponit7771]

17. RIGHT!!

[uponit7771]

14. I don't think Clinton supporters were too happy either at the questions StepADickLuss & DickSon aske

[redqueen]

22. No, not most of her supporters.

The unhinged, though... different story.

[Bensthename]

16. She did OK.. He did better. He cleared up several issues and she made new gaffs.

But of course MSM won't talk about them.

[Tinksrival]

23. Your right.

If I was a Hillary supporter I would be thrilled. It might be short lived though. The negative campaigning is not trending well in the polls.

[Phillycat]

26. No harm, no foul. We're all democrats.

I will vote for the nominee whomever it is in November. Peace.

[grantcart]

27. It was a disaster for Clinton because it is going to create a sympathy for

Obama and there is little she will be able to do about it. She didn't clearly make her case and the moderators tried to take Obama out. If it had been an even debate and she clearly out performed him it would have helped. This does not. She will end up suffering the blowback against ABC. Ironic isn't it.

[JohnnyLib2]

29. Thanks for the very astute points.

I hope at least a few absorb your message. :thumbsup:

Recommended.

[electropop]

30. Both candidates were asked only gossip questions.

I don't see any reason for HRH supporters to be a whole lot happier than BHO supporters. There was a pretty blatant anti-Obama bias, but there was nearly as much anti-reality, anti-issues, anti-Democratic bias. What a shameful performance. I will never watch ABC again.

[JVS]

31. I will take the opposite tack and gloat even more when she has setbacks

[Arkansas Granny]

32. What happened to Obama last night is just a taste of what the RW smear machine

will do to him if he is the candidate. It may have come as a surprise to him or his supporters, but Hillary has faced them before and knows exactly what to expect from them. As someone noted several weeks ago, they took a Vietnam war vet and made him into a coward while they made an AWOL drunk look like a hero. It's not fair but how are you going to stop it.

As far as the reaction from Senator Clinton's supporters, we realize that Senator Obama may very well be the Democratic nominee. If so, anything that damages him and his chances for election would ultimately affect us all. I take no pleasure in seeing either of our candidates torn up by the media.

[berni_mccoy]

42. I understand what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree.

Obama has shown a great deal of ability in defusing manufactured stories and outrage. He has done this at least 3 times now and I believe he has specific talents and abilities to shut down the RW arguments. Will they do it anyway? Absolutely, but I think they will be waves of nonsense bashing against the hard rock cliffs of Obama's graceful reasoned logic coupled with hope and honesty.

[Arkansas Granny]

46. You may be right about his ability and if he is the nominee I hope you are.

From my perspective, however, what he has faced so far will pale in comparison to the allegations, innuendos and downright lies that the right wing will try to use against him.

[Imagevision]

33. Pennsylvania election was the reason for last nights debate, was Hillary cue'd from jumpstreet...?

[PoliticalAmazon]

35. It was a hit job. If Hillary supporters are proud of her "win" in a 3:1 situation...

...then they are much more desperate than even I estimated.

[Vinca]

40. The faux debate and Clinton's demeanor has changed my opinion

of her to such a negative extent, I don't think I can vote for her under any circumstances. The Republicans can easily beat her - polls prove that out. She would be a gift to the Republican Party. Apparently that makes the nasty Hillary people happy as fucking clams. Hope they don't mind losing abortion rights and staying in a neverending war. I'll vote for Democrats in Congress, then change my registration back to Independent.

[Rob Gregory Browne]

44. I'm not so sure about Hillary's "success" last night

I just spoke with a long-time Republican who says that last night clinched it for her. She's hoping Obama takes the nom and will vote for him in the GE. She thought Obama handled the "obvious assault on him" (her words) quite well. "That," she said, "is the kind of President we need."