Is it ever Obama's fault?

[BooScout]

Does he or those that support him ever take responsibility for anything? Or is everything Hillary's fault, the press's fault or the fault of the rest of America's fault in general? I'm just asking.......:shrug:

[Oleladylib]

1. No the poor baby is pure..and is tainted by this terrible political reality in this country.

[Terran]

your cynicism is a really a sad thing to see n/t

[comradebillyboy]

117. au contraire mon frere, I find Oleladylib's cynicism

most refreshing; every politician alive or dead deserves to be looked at with utmost cynicism. I am appalled by blind adoration of power seekers.

[Mags]

2. they all appear to be to young to have had to accept fault for anything

[Blue_Roses]

6. my mother who is much older than

you--88 years-old--supports Obama and IS a war vet. You gonna tell her she hasn't had to accept fault in her life?

[Mags]

14. sorry,don't know her.

[Voltaire]

40. Sounds like you don't know a lot about his supporters ages

I am 49 and well past the age of having my head turned by any snake-oil salesman, as you people like to portray Obama. I actually KNOW a little about politics and tend to pay close attention. That is anathema for politicians like Lady MacBeth who count on voter ignorance to sway elections.

[Mags]

50. look if you want to vote for the Pied Piper, go for it.

[mac2]

62. You are playing my tune Mags.

[Voltaire]

78. And you may certainly vote for Lady MacBeth

and the same old triangulation bullshit. Enjoy!

[comradebillyboy]

118. Your mama has earned the right to do as she damn well

pleases. Hope she hangs in there for many more years.

[JoFerret]

33. The agesim is really bursting forth in full flower

Example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5546762

[Terran]

42. How progressive of you

I'm 48, dipsh*t.

[BooScout]

86. and from the dipsh*t comment it appears you still haven't grown up.

:eyes:

[Terran]

90. I don't take kindly to bigotry.

Deal with it.

[LaurenG]

3. What did he do? What would we have him be responsible for?

I'm just asking...:shrug:

[tridim]

7. I'm guessing his skin color and the fact that he's winning. nt

[BooScout]

85. That's right .....

....when all else fails......call racism. That works real well. :eyes:

[barb162]

94. Oh that is so cliched and so wrong.

[mac2]

12. Not impeaching this President.

Yes he's not alone but if he is to be the next President he should listen to the people wanting impeachment. We also won't move on from investigating 911 and holding those responsible. He is part of the Senate today. "We will never forget" just a lie on that memorial?

[LaurenG]

18. I bet he'd take responsibility for that

if he was asked. They were all too chicken to do anything about bush, but with good reason. Any of them who ever said they were for impeachment ruined their chances to get anywhere in DC especially with their peers.

They get labeled "lunatic fringe", ignored and then get tossed to the curb.

[mac2]

45. Good thing they weren't our founding fathers or those

military facing death and disabilty for oil.

[LaurenG]

That goes all ways, Where has Senator Clinton mentioned impeachment?

no one dares to go up against the plutocracy/corporate rule that has been around for years.

[mac2]

63. Obama is the one under review here.

Yes...Hillary has failed there also.

[Exilednight]

106. Hillary still has yet to take responsibility for her war vote. No Hillary supporter should be......

lecturing any other candidate about Iraq.

[comradebillyboy]

120. yawn nt

[barb162]

96. I am highly unimpressed with his legislative "experience"

and his view of foreign policy, his health care policy, his arogance, Rev Wright as his mentor, etc.

[LaurenG]

115. Thank you and I feel that this is fair

but since I like his view on foreign policy and I approve of Reverend Wright I wouldn't see that as anything to apologize for.

Also I just don't see him as arrogant but I'm not happy with his or Senator Clinton's health care plan.

[mac2]

4. Me too.

[dpbrown]

5. You can't fault the Messiah!

Why can't the media go back to spoon-feeding him candy?

[Buzz Clik]

24. Another raging asswipe makes my Ignore list.

[TankLV]

101. I never use the "ignore" function - I like to see how ridiculous you all look...

and you never disappoint me...

[comradebillyboy]

121. Being on your ignore list would be an honor

[BeyondGeography]

8. Yeah, he fucked up on BitterGate and he's not always the best debater

How that excuses ABC for holding an issues-free debate and Hillary invoking Louis Farrakhan and the Weathermen as talking points is something you'll have to explain.

[BooScout]

15. Those are part of his background...

It goes to what is the character of a man running for President. If you don't like the questions about your background then you shouldn't run for President.

[LaurenG]

47. Well using that logic they should have questioned her

about many, many things. What about her association with bush and her backing of McCain. What about her history with corporations and her work with the Rose Law firm. I could site, NAFTA, Monsanto and the war for starters. She has also had long associations with some very "interesting" individuals.

[TankLV]

102. what backing of McCain and what about her rose law firm...

please enlighten us all - we need some of your entertainment...

[LaurenG]

114. It's not a good thing to challenge others over the truth and it doesn't help anything to repeat

the facts of her NAFTA association and her telling the world what a good buddy she is to McCain, these things are unflattering and I'll leave it at that as I may have to vote for her and I've decided that doing anymore leg work for McCain is not in my best interest.

[hfojvt]

79. except that character "issues" and character smears

have long been part of the Republican playbook as aided by the M$M and the RWNM and it takes away from talking about policies.

[BklynChick]

9. I am a big Obama fan and would definitely say he didn't look his best last night. That said, the

questions and moderators were just completely horrible.

[QC]

10. No, nothing is ever his fault, and all criticism of him is racist.

Next question?

[mac2]

25. And if and when he does become President everything

we question or disapprove of will be called "rasicst and hate".

I also question Hillary and her baggage from her husbands Presidency as being a good choice.

We need and deserve a better choice for our party.

[QC]

34. I agree. We are stuck with the two weakest of the candidates we started with. n/t

[rodeodance]

11. seems never to be O. fault.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Leave!Barack!Obama!Alone!

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/16/leave-barack-obama-alone/#more-2201

:rofl:

[mac2]

16. No way...he's running for President and we should question

his past votes, actions, lack of action, and his future policies for us. He gets no pass like other candidates running for office. He is to be held up for review.

[SeaLyons]

17. Pass the Buck Obama...

He always places blame....poor Obama.

He and he alone made a piss poor showing of himself last night. I don't care what questions were asked, I don't care how uncomfortable they were - it was up to him to answer in a Presidential manner and he failed miserably.

Obama needs to own it and so do his supporters. All this attack on the media and Clinton is just sickening. He's running for the highest office, and if he's not capable of being under pressure in a debate, good grief. Why is he our front runner?? I don't get it.

[mac2]

28. Big money

They act like he is an outsider when he is a Senator. He's not new or for "change". Why didn't he impeach?

[SeaLyons]

60. That's a good question...

[JoFerret]

67. I wonder how his cookies compare?

But you know - while Hillary really showed her command last night - I don't think most people are paying attention. I just wish Obama folk could just acknowledge the multiple realties here. Hillary did extremely well. He floundered. So what. They should enjoy Obama's lead. And stop being such sore headed winners.

[dionysus]

19. so THIS is what a shillbot circle-jerk looks like...

:eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

37. Actually, two jerkoffs make a straight line, not a circle:

[dbonds]

44. You need threads like this now and then to round out the ignore list.

[dionysus]

72. how true, how true...

[madwivoter]

20. Specifics?

"Does he or those that support him ever take responsibility for anything?"
-What exactly do you think he (or those that support him) need to take responsibility for?

What do you mean by "Or is everything Hillary's fault, the press's fault or the fault of the rest of America's fault in general?"?
-That's a pretty broad statement and I'm not sure I get your point. If you are referring to people being pissed about the debate last night, no matter who you support you should be pissed about the absolutely dumbed-down questions that were asked. Personally I'm pissed because George and Charlie were beating a dead horse for the first hour and wasted my time. :eyes:

[kentuck]

21. Obama's fault that he let himself be set up by ABC ...

Why did they decide not to share the debate anywhere else, except with small clips? Why? Because they did not want the general public at large to see their plan? Obama should have known that ahead of time.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Here's something that's Obama's fault: Hillary is losing her bid for the Dem nomination.

[GoldieAZ49]

23. Obama told them he did not want the politics of old

and no one listened

[mac2]

35. It not the politics of old.

It's the politics of world order elite government. They have to be part of the "global village" before they even get to the top.

[dbonds]

51. Are you a 12 year old WoW player?

The Wambulance is an elementary school poor attempt at insulting anyone you don't have a real insult for.

[TankLV]

104. it was certainly appropriate for all the obamababies here...

want some cheeze with your whine - or a pacifier for all you crybabies...

[dbonds]

116. See thats what I mean.

Only little kids talk about whining. Grow up.

[SeaLyons]

83. That's great....

So appropriate for the board today...Wambulance...love it.

[rodeodance]

26. and a REC

[Pawel K]

27. what specifically should he take responsibility for?

[2rth2pwr]

92. His performance last night, his pastor of 20 years, his political patron Rezko,

his buddy William Ayers, his demeaning comments about middle America, I could keep going but I think you get the idea now.

[Pawel K]

97. His performance last night was fine given the circumstances

William Ayers isn't his buddy, but they've met. Does he have to take responsibility for every single person he knows? As he said in the debate last night, he knows some right wing republicans, does he have to take responsibility for that?

There was nothing demeaning about his comments toward middle america. He spoke the truth. When people are pissed off (bitter) they cling to religion and guns. What part of that do you not agree with?

I think he already too responsibility for the pastor? Did you not see his speech when pastor-gate was going on?

I will agree with you that he needs to answer some more questions about Rezko, but I don't recall anyone asking about rezko last night.

Do you think Hillary needs to take responsibility for Bill's pardon of 2 domestic terrorists?

[TankLV]

105. umm - yes we saw his poor speech on pastorgate - and he fell short that time too...

and you're still trying to defend the ASSHOLE BIGOTED preecher!!!

nice...

and we're still waiting for his apology for mcglurkin (I mispell his name on pupupose out of the utter contempt I have for him - so you don't have to complain about that too...)

[Pawel K]

108. You're not really addressing my points

What do you mean by "i defended the asshole bigoted preecher!!!!!". Where? If you are talking about Wright I think a lot of what he has said was dead on, I think his church has done a lot of good for their community, but some of the stuff he said was down right idiotic. So fucking what? What does that have to do with anything? This guy has been a preacher for over 20 years. How many of his statements from that 20 year period do find offensive? 1 or 2? Which ones?

[Jamastiene]

29. My sentiments exactly. K & R.

:kick:

[libbygurl]

30. Oooh...art thou a racist, BooScout, to say such things?

LOL!

[Imagevision]

31. awe c'mon now! ya have to give some of the credit to Bill for screwing it up for Hilllary

[thewiseguy]

32. Is it always Obama's fault?

[Enrique]

36. plenty will be his fault when he's president

I predict DU will be hatin' on a President Obama.

[BigDDem]

38. No, he is without fault

Ask anyone in the flock

:rofl:

[ProSense]

39. What is supposed to be his fault?

Hillary losing?

Hillary lying?

No one buying Hillary's lies and being turned off by her campaign's tactics?

[Bake]

48. No, he's responsible for his political choices and associations.

Anybody who ever faintly suspects that they MIGHT think about running for President needs to stay the hell away from people who are political kryptonite (and you know who they are): former Weathermen bombers (even if BHO was a child at the time the things happened, Ayers continued to espouse the philosophy and wished he'd done more), pastors who say things like "God damn America" (geez, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out), crooks like Rezko, and idiots who think Jesus cured them of the evil homosexuality and can do it for you too, et al.

Your candidate has shown himself to be a bit politically tone deaf on those things, and you're just pissed that people actually asked him about it. The Wright thing is far from over (just wait until the fall), and the Ayers thing is just starting up.

Bake

[mac2]

55. Ding dong or is it bong, bong to what you say?

"Do you recognize the bell of truth when you hear it ring?" -- Leon Russell

[ProSense]

66. That's idiotic.

Obama was under age ten when Ayers was charged but never convicted. Ayers is now a distinguished professor. Members of the group who were charged and convicted, for more recent bombings and other crimes, were pardoned by Bill Clinton.

Wright was called to the WH by the Clintons during the Lewinsky scandal. Are they going to own up to their relationship with him? He is still a well-respected member of the clergy, despite Fox Noises smear.

Rezko, is on trial, which has nothing to do with Obama. There is nothing there.

You are asking him to own up to BS spin.

[Bake]

69. Hell, Ayers has subsequently admitted his involvement

And said further that he wishes he'd done MORE. But that makes him a distinguished professor? Maybe he is; maybe he isn't. But his identity and prior history was well known (I note that Obama didn't deny knowing about Ayers' history, I wonder what he'd say if asked about that).

I can't help it your guy is tone deaf to stuff like that. And as for Rezko, time will tell. The association is there, big time.

Bake

[PBS Poll-435]

71. Obama 08!

Spin you can set your watch to.

[ProSense]

75. I got your spin right here:

Paper’s ed board picks Obama, who has been trailing Clinton in the statewide polls but is expected to do well in Philly.

“The choice in Tuesday’s Democratic presidential primary is not only the one between a white woman and a black man. It’s a choice between the past and the future.”

Also discounts Clinton’s experience. “We are frankly troubled by her assumption that her husband’s administration and accomplishments were her own.”

Plus: The Obama campaign tells Stephanopoulos that “prominent Pennsylvania supporters” will switch their support from Clinton to Obama Thursday morning due to Clinton’s negativity.

link

Plus the Philly Weekly and five superdelegates since last weekend.

[TankLV]

107. wright being called by the clintons AMONG MANY OTHERS is no way similar...

but keep trying to spin it - it's fun to watch you failing...

and what "relationship" did they have with him exactly - anything like the INTIMATE OVER TWENTY YEAR PERSONAL REALTIONSHIP like the marriage, and baptisms, etc. or did they just INIVITE HIM OVER WITH MANY OTHERS ON A ONE SHOT DEAL?!?!

REZKO - you dare to bring up REZKO - of which OBAMA was his PERSONAL LAWYER for many YEARS and got FINANCIAL favors, like HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS and a "little" HOUSE DEAL?!?! THAT REZKO?!!!!

we're waiting...

[displacedtexan]

41. The major difficulty for Obama to overcome...

is that his short time on the national stage leaves him open to attacks based on his relationships with friends and business acquaintances (Rezko, Ayers, Auchi?), his record (no state senate records?), and his personal judgment (church?).

Sadly, Obama should've been prepared for these questions (stupid ones or not), and he wasn't. But whose fault is that? ABC's or Obama's?

I think the OP posts an important question.

[mac2]

49. He lacks experience no matter what it is to be President.

[zabet]

43. Blasphemer!!!!

Nothing is EVER the O messiah's fault.:sarcasm:

Just think he justified Rev. Wright as loving America because Wright had been a marine so there was no questioning that he loves America.....Obama, tell me if that same explanation works for Timothy McVeigh. Hmmmm? Got Hypocrisy? Yes we do!!!!

[libbygurl]

46. Excellent, CJ! Brava! nt

[Bake]

53. Good point! Just being a Marine doesn't mean diddly squat.

I know some major assholes who were Marines.

Bake

[QC]

61. Charles Whitman was a Marine.

That's how he learned to shoot so well.

[comradebillyboy]

122. so was Lee Harvey Oswald

[whistler162]

76. Let me understand this....

you are comparing a member of the clergy who said somethings that you find offensive with a FREAKIN' MASS FREAKIN' murderer?

YOU Are a TOTAL NIMROD!

[zabet]

82. Follow along ....

I will go slow so you can pick up what I am puttin' down here. If Obama thinks serving in the military is a guarantee that you love America, then he must think Timothy McVeigh loves America too.

YOU lack reading comprehension skills, I cannot say whether that is a result of lack of education or ignorance on your part.

Name calling is soooooo Grade School. :eyes:

[rucky]

98. I'm not sure who you're mocking.

i only hear stuff like that said in sarcasm.

[AllentownJake]

52. Is it ever Hillary's fault?

Does she or those that support her ever take responsibility for anything? Or is everything Obama's fault, the press's fault or the fault of the rest of America's fault in general? I'm just asking.......


Back atcha

[Bake]

56. Sure, I've readily admitted when things were her fault.

Just like she did last night about snipergate.

Bake

[AllentownJake]

64. that was

about as much taking responsibility as Obama did when he said he mangled speech.

[Bake]

70. Then according to Obot logic, she dealt with it completely.

Because you were all jumping up and down about his brilliant response to "bittergate."

Bake

[AllentownJake]

73. To be honest

When they started a question with 60% of people think your dishonest....I was pissed for her as well.

[mac2]

57. What Obama says and does is his responsibility period.

[Catchawave]

54. It's ABC's Fault !!!!1!

:rofl:

Happens everytime a candidate "loses" a debate around here. The network gets blamed. The moderators asked bad questions....blahblahblahblahblah. (I sure did that when Edwards participated!)

As Clinton and Obama are extremely close on the issues, I think ABC chose to push some buttons to bring out stress induced responses. Afterall, we're choosing a President here, not another American Idol.

Note to self: No more drinking game everytime Obama says "Uh"

[mac2]

59. When Nixon lost the debate it was blamed on his lack of

"beauty".

[stray cat]

58. Is what Obama's fault?

[Armstead]

65. Bingo!

Obama did nothing wrong at the debate last night. He didn't shine, but his performance was mediocre at worst.

And considering the fact that the moderators and Hillary were channeling Rush and Hannity, I'd say mediocre was a damn good performance.

[mac2]

68. "channeling"? is Hillary a mystic now?

Let Obama take his own failures on the chin. You can't do it for him.

[Carni]

125. You didn't know?

God I thought EVERYONE knew about the Clinton's EVIL powers...where were you when Jerry Falwell's Clinton dead list made the rounds in 90's?

But wait...oh yeah THAT'S RIGHT -- this is supposed to be DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND and not freerepublic, I guess with all the Clinton hatred here I got my forums mixed up!

Silly me!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

74. I remember something a cop once said...

"the only innocent n***** is one that ain't been caught yet."

I think the idea that Obama's done something wrong and the suggestion that he's guilty of something horrible that the media hasn't found out about yet is highly disingenuous. At best.

[qanda]

77. It was Clinton, herself, who claimed a right-wing conspiracy theory

When her husband had clearly "screwed" up. I defended her and President Clinton against the right-wing attack machine then and would do the same if it happened again. However, I don't understand why Clinton and her supporters would not only watch but particpate in the same thing happening to Obama. I just don't get it. This is just outrageous!

[damntexdem]

80. He has admitted errors and apologized for them.

He just hasn't been errorless, like Dubya.

Then, there's that candidate who grins smugly and says that she "said things I knew to be untrue," but who surely didn't lie. ;-)

[susankh4]

81. Everything is Hillary's fault.

For now.

Then it will be McCain's fault.

And the MSMs fault.

And the ignorant racists' fault....

Not sayin Mr. Obama really thinks these things. I really don't know if he does. But, his followers seem to. And they are killing him.

[harun]

84. Fault?? it is ideology vs. ideology. Blame game is for kids (n/t)

[shayes51]

87. Apparently not.

[rucky]

88. McClurkin and Rezko are.

Not really any of the molehills. That's plenty, though.

[ronnykmarshall]

89. Boo on you!

You're just a big ol' meanie. Like those meanies on Tee-Vee last night. You're not nice, I'm gonna get very cross with you!

[lachattefolle]

91. It's the same old politics. Repackaged every 4 years. n/t

[barb162]

93. You nailed it, Boo. It's always someone else's fault.

Fault has to be deflected away from the Chosen One. He doesn't put words in his own mouth. When he starts stuttering and flubbing up all over the place, someone else is doing that. And no one has ANY right to ask him questions he doesn't like.
K&R (jack)

[haymakeragain]

95. Stupid on a level not seen since............

well actually, the Hillarious supporters say stupid things daily, but this is pretty stupid.

[TankLV]

99. Of course not, silly - NOTHING the "saint" could do could ever be HIS fault...

now have some of this here nice cold KoolAid...

[TankLV]

100. Of course not, silly - NOTHING the "saint" could do could ever be HIS fault...

Of course not, silly - NOTHING the "saint" could do could ever be HIS fault...

[Blue-Jay]

103. Fault?

Maybe you could name some piece of legislation that he either sponsored/authored/voted for that would cause you to say it's "Obama's fault".

You do know what "fault" means, don't you?

[TankLV]

110. oh - right - back to his "experience" thingy again...

or his LACK of one...compared to Hillary's on just THAT subject YOU brought up...!!!

when is he going to actually show up on the committee he claims to CHAIR, again, exactly?!?!

[Blue-Jay]

112. All bun, no meat to your post.

(apologies to the vegans)

Which candidate has more experience as an elected official? You know the answer to that.

[HuffleClaw]

109. it IS pretty darn funny how some have responded to the debate

who HAVEN'T they blamed?

[Jed Dilligan]

111. It's not an issue of responsibility for things

when the "things" aren't things.

[sniffa]

113. Yes

[Hoof Hearted]

119. Everything he does is PERFECT, and everything he doesn't do is perfect too!

[jackson_dem]

123. St. Obama is perfect

He has never lied, never flip flopped, never cast a bad vote, is correct on every issue, and is the one we have been waiting for.

[Evergreen Emerald]

124. No...It all Clinton's fault!

The right-wing talking point becomes the left-wing talking point!