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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:13 AM
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Clinton and her supporters who play the Wright, "bittergate," flag pin game give power to the GOP
Seriously think about it.

Up until this election Clinton and her ilk have had no problem with controversial Black preachers (Jesse, Calvin Butts, hell even Wright was invited to the Clinton White House), but now that Hillary seeks to exploit the Wright issue. Prior to this election only the GOP would have made an issue of Wright. Do we remember when Bill had his patriotism questioned? Just because the Clintons have had to deal with this shit in the past, does not justify Hillary and her campaign participating in these types of attacks on Obama.

Hillary is acting like a spoiled 9 year old who is not getting her way, not like a US Senator running for president. A job that requires a level of maturity and diplomacy that she obviously lacks.

When Clinton attacks Obama on these issues, including the Weather Underground, she is merely parroting right wing talk radio talking points. The same type of shit that is often used against her. Its almost as if she is admitting she can't beat them so she will join them. Unlike Hillary, Obama will beat them when they pull this shit. Hillary has no fucking moral compass, NONE!

I have made the following point before but it must be said again:

The argument of many Clinton supporters that her attacks against Obama are justified because they are no different than what the GOP would be doing is BULLSHIT. She is living down to the GOP standards, not up to Democratic standards and for that reason alone she is undeserving of the Democratic nomination. Its not like she is criticizing him on policy differences, she is criticizing him on manufactured issues, the types of issues that the GOP likes to introduce. The type of arguments that have been used against her and Bill.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:17 AM
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1. And how would you compare the character assassination from Sen. Obama
and his campaign? Repeatedly calling Clinton dishonest -- an extension of the right-wing attacks of the nineties.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:20 AM
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5. There is nothing wrong with calling a dishonest person DISHONEST. . .LOL
The Bosnian story was unadulterated dishonesty.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:32 AM
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14. "I said some things I knew not to be the case." - Hillary admitted to being a liar.
Right from the horse's mouth.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:34 AM
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16. Hell she lied about being a liar. . .
. . .even her "coming clean" was dishonest.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:36 AM
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19. Hillary is toast
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:24 PM
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23. Nice photoshop. Photoshop is fun ain't it?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:26 PM
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25. HAHA! That's funny!
:D



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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:51 PM
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27. HeeHee.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:34 AM
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17. Nothing wrong with calling a liar dishonest.
Hilly had to admit last night that she lied. And somehow, her lying is his fault.

You IMO live in a state of altered reality. Seek help...soon.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:41 AM
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20. So a "pathological liar" admits to lying in front of the world
While running for President, no less! Yes, this makes a lot of sense. LOL

"You IMO live in a state of altered reality. Seek help...soon." Why do you insult? -- it is a valid point.
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Eric Condon Donating Member (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:24 PM
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24. This argument is exactly what's wrong with Hillary supporters.
Obama supporters attacking Clinton is NOT the same as the RW attacks of the nineties. You can't use the strawman that criticizing the Clintons is "an extension of the right-wing attacks of the nineties" - this argument seeks to obscure the complexity of issues and stifle opposition to the Clintons within the party. This is the EXACT same tactic that RWers used earlier in this decade, calling anyone opposing Bu$hCo and the war "unpatriotic."

The RW attacks of the 90s were ridiculous, trumped-up charges like alleging involvement in the death of Vince Foster, etc. These were baseless, scurrilous attacks that had no place in American politics. However, when Democrats criticize the Clintons for being dishonest, it's because we recognize that their dishonesty (and it's impossible to call it anything else - Bosnia is just the latest example) is bad for the party does nothing but give ammunition for the Rethugs to use against us. Republicans attack the Clintons from the right. We attack the Clintons FROM THE LEFT, saying they've got too much in common with the Republicans.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:53 PM
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28. Good points
:kick:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:18 AM
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2. The same of course to the Obama supporters that bit on Obama's playing the race card to change the
subject from Hillary's NH win to the topic of how could she offend 60% of the SC vote
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:35 AM
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18. Sad to say, their well made plans have blown up in their faces..
and the beauty of it all; it was all done by Obama's own hand.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:18 AM
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3. I Honestly Don't See the Difference Between the GOP and Her Campaign
anything to win to the extreme.....
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:01 PM
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30. I have always said, the reason the GOP hates her ...
and Bill, is that her and Bill play THEIR game, and BEAT THEM at it ...

Earlier in this primary, when she was the presumptive favorite, she really was campaigning on the high ground ... It seems so long ago, that you kind of forget, but up until Obama started to pull within range of getting her in January, she was running a pretty darned postive campaign ...

But, once Obama became a threat, they started going with what the know - the spinning, the disembling ... And, the more she has dug herself into the hole doing it, the more she keeps doing it ...

To the point now, where she is really just unhinged ...

The Bosnia embellishments really showed it ...

Then, she was in PRIME republican form this past weekend, when they jumped all over Obama's "bitter" statement, the push that while she ... Tells stories about hunting, then goes into a bar and does a freakin shot while having a photo op with a mug of beer" ...

Jesus H Christ ... Could she be any more superficial at this point ???

IF it wasn't Obama, if there was not a candidate who has REALLY been able to tap into the positive element, run a high ground campaign at a time when the country was ready for it, then maybe having Hillary win the presidency in a bloody mudfight would be what was best for both the party and country ...

But, Obama offers the REAL chance to bring the level of discourse of this country up, and god darn it, we freakin need it ...
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 01:53 PM
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31. I'm not sure if she beats them at it. . .
. . .but she sure does play their game.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:19 AM
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4. Wrong. Obama gave those goodies to the GOP.
And they plan on destroying his campaign over them.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:23 AM
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9. Yeah with the help of Hillary's treason toward the Democratic party. . .
. . .by your standards Obama should bring up Monica Lewinsky and Whitewater at every opportunity.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:25 AM
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12. oh trust me, the GOP has much worse than that, & definitely more current.
She wants to play in the cesspool, she shouldn't be surprised when she ends up covered in shit.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:30 AM
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13. Hillary is justifying any attack the GOP puts on her. . .
:kick:
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:22 AM
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6. Her current embrace of RW media & talkingpoints is going to provide a helluva blowback. Her turn is
coming soon, trust me.

And it will be just as comfortable as last night's televised performance of Hannity's talking points.

But, hell, she asked for it, she's been working it for weeks.

She has no one to blame but herself.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:22 AM
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7. Spoiled Brat. Perfect analogy.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:23 AM
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8. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Kicked!!

From the OP:

"She is living down to the GOP standards, not up to Democratic standards and for that reason alone she is undeserving of the Democratic nomination."


EXACTLY.

:patriot:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:25 AM
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11. Thank you, I hope more people get it. . .
. . .justifying her BS attacks on Obama by declaring its no different than anything the GOP would do is Clinton's acknowledgment that that is all she has got.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:25 AM
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10. Wright, "bittergate," hasn't seemed to help Hil much...?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:33 AM
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15. Some of Hillary's "supporters" are dittoheads.


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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:09 PM
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21. The tragedy is a lot her dittohead supporters aren't part of the Limbaugh bunch. . .
. . .but folks who literally ID themselves as Democrats.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:11 PM
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22. Creepy picture, Swampy
Yes, Operation Chaos is in full swing.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:32 PM
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26. Proves she is just about "HER" because you can't trust what she says...
She lies with impugnity... so when she says she will rally the troops behind Obama if he should be the nominee I think she is lying to look conciliatory.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:55 PM
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29. Obama and his followers who play the Monica, "Bosniagate," pantssuit game give power to the GOP
:smilyfaceholdingamirroruptotheOPer:
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