Obama strikes out. DU followers blame the pitcher.

[MethuenProgressive]

Everything he screws up - from lying about owing his existance to the Kennedys to his conception to a Civil Rights march in Selma, from claiming he had no idea what McClurkin, Wright, and Rezko stood for to assuming no one that mattered would hear his sneering dismissal of small town America - everything he screws up is excused away by his loyal band.
Charlie Gibson did not write Obama's mumbled talking points.
George Stehanopolis did not force Obama to give babbling anti-answers.

He struck out. Deal with it.

[Swamp Rat]

1. "I said some things I knew not to be the case." - Hillary admitted to being a liar.

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[BlooInBloo]

31. Dammit - why won't anybody gimme a link to this???

I wanna play! I wanna play!

:P

[Swamp Rat]

35. See post #22

Like most of us at DU, you are a "cult follower" and a "tool." :D

[BlooInBloo]

43. ? I mean a link to her admitting lying.

[Swamp Rat]

48. I saw her say it.

I'm sure some links to the transcript will show up in GD-P.

:D

[BlooInBloo]

50. Oooh - ok - thanks!

[roguevalley]

61. "He struck out." BWAHAHAHAHAA! You aren't too deluded to

understand, he's still winning? He won statistically and when the "QUEEN OF PEACE" doesn't win by 20+ points like EVERYONE ON EARTH PREDICTED INCLUDING HER CAMPAIGN AFTER THE LAST PRIMARY, she is over? Go ahead. Have your short term amusement. We who will laugh last will laugh best.

[Swamp Rat]

64. Did you mean to reply to me?

:D

[Auntie Bush]

107. Oh the humility of Obama supporters!

" We who will laugh last will laugh best."
How humble of you!

[kevinbgoode]

92. Have they asked Hillary how she feels about being endorsed by

Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter? I'd think Democrats would be interested in her answer. . .

[papau]

2. Obama as liar is just beginning as a media theme - by fall it will be everywhere

[Armstead]

5. What has he lied about?

[donheld]

81. Isn't it funny, they never seem to have an answer for that?

Once in a while they come up with some lame ass crap,
but most of the time they just never respond.

[papau]

97. I have posted the lies perhaps 20 times - but if you need them again I'll be glad to do so again

[papau]

95. Do you want a list of direct lies (called changing stories) or just surrogates that say he lies (CAN

etc.)?

[jackson_dem]

96. Plenty of things. It is a fairy tale that Obama has never lied

[wileedog]

12. Your candidate admitted a flat out lie last night

on national TV. Out and out said it.

And your only hope is that the media paints the other guy as a liar?

How fucking delusional are you people?

[rodeodance]

37. Wise people accept apologies and do not rub it in face like you do.

[hisownpetard]

44. You forgot to start your post with, "Confucious say..."

[John Q. Citizen]

52. Hey, if apologising for lying is all it takes to get your vote, then you are pretty easy.

I don't like being lied to.

I'm glad you think you are a wise person.

Do you have that pasted to your mirror?

[wileedog]

58. I'm not rubbing it anyone's face

I am saying it beyond delusional and hypocritical to say that "maybe someday, hopefully, if Hillary is really lucky the media will start painting Obama as a liar" when your candidate just flat out admitted to being one. On a live television event no less.

Do you not thing in the GE her comment is going to made into a Republican attack ad which will be aired ad nauseum in the fall? Maybe interspersed with some Bill "I did not have sex..." clips. And this to an electorate of whom 60% already think she is dishonest?

But its Obama who will painted as the liar. And Hillary will be President.

Do you not see the problem here?

[rodeodance]

87. you are just as bad a HS bullies

[dionysus]

76. "i am sorry, i am a liar" doesn't quite cut it....

[Cant trust em]

24. Obama's not the one who polls show 60% believe that he's untrustworthy. NT

[papau]

98. True - because Hillary does not push it - but the GOP have no such rules

[Cant trust em]

105. I don't think that Hillary Clinton has been a model of self-restraint

when it comes to criticizing Obama. I find it hard to believe that this is where she's chosen to draw the line.

[Auntie Bush]

108. That's because the hateful media and the RWer's repeat the damn lies about her

and learn to believe their own lies as truth. The sad thing is Obama supporters are just as guilty as the RW of the Republican party. You would never know Obama supporters are Democrats the way they eat there own around here. Their hateful RW smear posts started the war on DU...yes, I said war. Read the posts. Now all his supporters, friends and family believe the crap spewed here. No wonder so many think she is a liar. They and the media are Goring her...remember gore was a liar too? Did you approve of that?

[Cant trust em]

118. The Bosnia story didn't help her out

I mean, seriously, you really have to give a strong benefit of the doubt to believe her explanation. No RW smear forced her to make that one up.

[JoFerret]

122. That and all the rest of it

.

[EVDebs]

3. And now she gets her pre-designated endorsements from Wharton/UP

how convenient...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5548375&mesg_id=5548518

[JoFerret]

4. If he can't handle a few softballs

that were predictable...then god help us.

Gibson and Stephanopoulus did to Obama what Williams and Russert did to Hillary. Par for the course. Ho-hum.

[Armstead]

14. Exactly HOW did he screw up?

Seriously. What did he say or do that was outrageous.

The worst that can be said is that he didn't hit any home runs. That's a long way from playing badly.

[JoFerret]

19. I am not the one said he screwed up

he was just not at his best and seemed unprepared for some of the questions. And that surprised me because DU has been chattering on about these issues for weeks so they are hardly a secret.

[Armstead]

34. he struck me as surprised that such idiotic questions would be asked

He wasn't at his best. But he did as well as anyone could be expected to do, given the fact that he was in the equivalent of a 3rd Grade Playground.

I think he would have been within the bounds of reason to just walk off the stage at some point and say "When you're ready to ask adult questions, let me know and I'll be back."

My sense is that he was both bored and annoyed by the idiot questions he was being asked. He's responded to the Rev. Wright question so many times, I'm sure he was thinking "You idiots. Why are you rehashing something we've already gone over ten thousand times already?"

His response to the Ayers question was totally appropriate. The only thing more appropriate would have been for him top reply "George you are a moron. WHy are you even bothering to repeat this meaningless 'guilt by association' line that Hannity has been desperately spinning for months?"

And I think what he was really simmering about was Hillary's desperate and mean spirited and party-hurting repetition and amplification of those right-wing slurs.

[hisownpetard]

47. My impressions, exactly. I don't know how he managed to keep his exasperation

to a civil level - not even showing it in his inflections.

It must have taken a Herculean effort on his part.

[JoFerret]

91. They were idiotic questions

But they are the kinds of things people and non-PBS "moderators" ask. So they should not have come as a surprise.

[rodeodance]

89. well, now. maybe it was his deer eyes in the carlights-his repeated ummmm

loookkk. aah........

[Tellurian]

26. The difference is... the cloned version couldn't hold up to scrutiny

the usual consequence for a "knockoff" of the real thing.

[workinclasszero]

6. Hillary is a liar

and a tool of corporate amerika.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeQ6dxGMFA

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[Swamp Rat]

36. Leave us rats out of it!

:D

[dkf]

7. Did you really need to hear him say the same things he has been

saying for ages?

Come one, the debate was a waste of our time.

I can't believe I am worried about the world's supply of oil peaking, and the subsequent economic and social consequences, and these bozos ask about lapel pins.

There are riots over food, due to the rising costs, partly due to our use of corn for ethanol. That is a disgrace.

Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopolus showed us that they are completely out of touch.

[jgraz]

8. Once again, your blind devotion to your candidate prevents you from seeing the truth.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. Charlie Gibson did not write Obama's mumbled talking points.

[otohara]

84. Mumbled Talking Points - That's Funny

considering Obama is ahead in this race. Perhaps if your gal and her husband hadn't mumbled, lied and jived over the past 15 months, she'd be the one on top.

[donheld]

85. Sean Hannity did write Gibson's talking points

Doesn't that just delight you?

[susankh4]

113. Obama should be thanking him, too.....

for a taste of what the REAL election will be like.

I mean... when exactly did Mr. Obama expect this stuff to come out? Did he think he would never have to answer the questions on the minds of 60%+ of the population.

(I am actually being conservative with this 60% number. Giving Barack the benefit of a doubt. If you add together the GOP + Democratic Hill supporters it's really much higher.)

[bowens43]

9. more inaccurate bullshit from a hillary supporter......

How cute!

[Beacool]

10. That's what it must be like to be part of a cult.

I'm kidding, but come on!!!! They never see fault in ANYTHING this guy does, it's pretty frightening. No candidate is free of flaws and they should all have their feet held to the fire.

[MethuenProgressive]

25. As their responses in this thread show: Nothing is ever Obama's fault.

Pathetic.

[Voltaire]

68. No, what's pathetic is

With all her advantages going in, she is trailing. Trailing hopelessly I might add. Unless she manages to steal the fucking nomination, which I would not put past her lying ass.

[donheld]

86. Project much?

If your supporting Hillary then of course you do.

[jackson_dem]

99. They say they aren't a cult but like you noted they often behave like a cult

They never can admit St. Obama is wrong on anything.

[Submariner]

11. Dumbshit Hillary flunked her DC bar exam. Who wants a flunky B Team

Arkansas lawyer in the WH whose always under sniper fire?

[splat]

15. Are you describing Bill Clinton? He's the Arkansas lawyer who was great in the White House

She's from Michigan.

[Submariner]

20. Hillary is not Bill

she flunked the DC exam but passed the much easier Arkansas exam.

[TahitiNut]

21. "She's from Michigan"??? Please!! My state is slandered enough without this falsehood.

Good grief! :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

100. Didn't Ted Kennedy also fail the bar exam?

Does that make Kennedy is unqualified to be president? Kennedy would be a zillion times better than Obama, and frankly, better than Clinton.

[MethuenProgressive]

112. How many DUbamas could pass the bar exam?

How many could pass a bar?












:rofl:

[lastliberalintexas]

123. If you're going to insult other people's intelligence, you might want

to learn punctuation and grammar. Your sentence should read "who's" or "who is" rather than "whose" as you have typed.


Normally I don't resort to such snarkiness, but the level of discourse here has rubbed me raw. And I am not a supporter of either candidate. I really can't imagine what you supporters are doing to each other, and what it must feel like to be a Clinton/Obama supporter and read the tripe posted here.

[Armstead]

13. It was a walk.....The pitcher tossed a lot of wild throws that meant nothing

Obama kept his cool, and did not make any major gaffes.

And he struck out how?

[splat]

16. DU thinks he was ambushed, he must have done something wrong!

[Armstead]

38. Not necessarily. he was ambushed by stupid questions and a spoiled opponent

He didn;t shine, but he made no gaffes or screw ups.

[hedgehog]

17. Between the spit balls and the bean balls, the pitchers should

have been ejected from the game in the first inning!

[TahitiNut]

18. If you say so, Crystal.

:eyes:

[MethuenProgressive]

46. George Stehanopolis did not force Obama to give babbling anti-answers.

[Hugabear]

23. I guess you have no problem with Sean Hannity writing the questions?

It's been well established on here that Hannity was conferring with Stephanopolis about questions to hammer Obama with before the debate.

[MethuenProgressive]

55. Who wrote Obama's answers? They are what really stank.

But, any excuse is better than blaming BO, Wright?

[Imagevision]

27. George Stehanopolis worked on getting Bill Clinton elected so he should have declined the show

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[MessiahRp]

29. He didn't strike out, he was pitched high and inside by a dirty spitball pitcher

and Charlie Gibson should be lucky that Obama didn't charge the mound and whoop his ass.

If you can't see how biased ABC was last night then you're obviously going to be very content with a McCain Presidency.

Of course the way Hillary has been campaigning while at the same time praising McCain it's no wonder why her followers would support the right wing agenda more than the Democratic candidate.

Rp

[JoFerret]

102. So - why can't he deal with it?

His supporters need to stop whining and let him deal with the world. He is a great candidate. Let him grow up.

[MessiahRp]

116. Yeah because Clinton "dealt with it"

When she whined in the Russert debate about getting questions first or whined about the media being against her and went on SNL in effect to slam them for it.

We've seen how the supposed composed leader Hillary deals with things. And to be fair she has never had a debate as slanted against her as the ABC one was against Obama.

Rp

[bigwillq]

30. Obama didn't strike out

He did a decent job. He really isn't a great debater. He hasn't been this entire primary cycle. But some of his supporters' comments about the debate format and the moderators is a little overblown.

Yeah the format sucked and the moderators were bad but this was one of the few times that the media didn't treat Obama so nicely, or fairly. He should count his blessings that the media has been so kind up until this point. It's only going to get worse if he's the nominee. I think Obama handled himself really well. Clinton had to answer some awful questions too, and I think she did a fine job too.

Obama, and his supporters, need to have a thicker skin. This is politics after all.

[rateyes]

33. MethuenProgressive strikes out with his OP. Can't blame anyone

but himself. Swing and a miss.

[SeaLyons]

39. Obama's performance was

Piss poor, no spinning it. Nothing else to say. It's disappointing to everyone on this board, whether you're a Hillary supporter or an Obama supporter. He did a lousy job, and he's our front runner. It's very disappointing. Maybe he learned a big lesson last night. Maybe he will stop with his arrogant speeches and get down to preparing himself enough to handle the heat. He was disgustingly weak. Hillary was superior in every way. No denying it.

[MethuenProgressive]

59. The truth hurts.

And Obama Nation is pretty sore today.

[SeaLyons]

65. Yup, they sure are..

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. Is glibness in debate a qualifier for the presidency?

How often in the course of a term of office does a president debate with people? Presidents have meetings, conferences, summits, give speeches - they don't debate. Most times, they don't even talk to the press - that's what they have press secretaries for.

A president needs to have ideas, and needs to communicate those ideas in the best way he knows - with FDR it was his "fireside chats"; with Bill Clinton it was press conferences. Obama shines with formal speeches. He knows that.

His first State of the Union will be one for the record books.

[MethuenProgressive]

67. You're right, on script he's better than when he doesn't know what's coming.

You're Hoping for a scripted general election, no doubt.

[Cant trust em]

80. Except with her lies about Bosnia

Does anyone really believe that she didn't remember the details correctly? I'll tell you this much. If I were actually being shot at and had to run to a car covering my head, I'm pretty sure that I'd remember those details as clear as a bell.

[dionysus]

40. only a shillbot would think Obama had a really bad debate...

sorry for you that;

1) hillary is a devisive, shitty candidate
2) hillary is a proven habitual liar
3) hillary couldn't take out a rookie in the primary
4) hillary just may throw this election to the repukes because she is acting like a 60yr old spoiled baby
5 and oh yeah, she won't be the nominee

[MethuenProgressive]

49. There's dozens of threads here blaming BO's shitty debate on ABC

Didn't you get the memo?
Fail.

[dionysus]

53. obama didn't have the best debate, but neither did hillary do anything special.

and yes, the questions were bullshit for both candidates...

[godai]

54. Obama did fine. You're missing the point.

The questions, to both candidates, in the 1st half of the 'debate' were awful. The format, with so many commercials was demeaning. Hillary won nothing. Looks like it ends next Tuesday. Check the latest Zogby PA poll.

[endarkenment]

63. Uh no.

I actually don't know between Obama and Clinton who won or lost, whatever that means. I do know that I lost 90 minutes that I will never get back because that farce was not a debate, it was two assclowns playing Gotcha! It was not a debate. It had no substance. That crap last night made Russert's prior effort look good, and that was no easy task. You too should be outraged at the idiocy displayed.

[LulaMay]

41. Maybe they don't like baseball? Aaaand, YUR OUT!

[MethuenProgressive]

72. 85 threads GOD DAMNING ABC, all giving BO a pass on his shitty prime time performance

"It's not BO's fault! Those bad men put him on TV!"

[Catchawave]

42. If Obama strikes out in the Pony Leagues

When will he be ready for the Majors?

DUers need to spend more time lurking on Conservative blogs (not freeperville) for a preview of the GE debates. And remember....

There is no crying in baseball :evilgrin:

[mtnsnake]

51. K&R for the cold hard truth. Best post of the week!

:thumbsup:

[ProSense]

57. No,

this is

That makes five additional superdelegates for Obama since Hillary launched bitter-gate.

[MethuenProgressive]

70. You? I value your opinon?

You're lucky to have DU.

[MethuenProgressive]

69. Thank you! I value your opinion!

DU is so lucky to have you as a member!

[AtomicKitten]

56. Most critics say he won, but you go on with your bad self.

I hope you find solace in your snottiness and pretending that this changes anything. Barack has an insurmountable delegate lead and everything Ms. Thang, the MSM, and the GOP have thrown at Barack he has batted away like lint, often gaining in the polls. As it turns out, the Clintons aren't all that after all, and Americans long for something other than the nasty, bitter, divisive politics the Clintons represent.

:hi:

[TragedyandHope]

60. Open your eyes

[Bensthename]

66. TOTALLY WRONG.. But keep spinning if it makes you feel better.

[IndianaJones]

71. Did he ever claim to not know what McClurkin stood for? I think it is a tie that binds him...

to many many of his supporters.

[desi]

73. Some claim he hit a Home Run....

what they fail to realize is that it was in a rained-out-ballgame...:kick:

[Quixote1818]

74. I don't think most Obama supporters think he did that bad last night

everyone is upset at the FOX News style questions to both candidates.

[JackORoses]

75. He didn't strike out, he got beaned with the pitch repeatedly.

After the 2nd one, who else can you blame but the Pitcher?

[MethuenProgressive]

77. That explains the stuttering and stammering?

Or the dazed look in his eyes?

[not_too_L8]

78. Guess who?

GIBSON: ABC News is pleased to sponsor the debate, along with the National Constitutional Center.

Guess who?

National Constitution Center Board of Trustees

NATIONAL HONORARY COMMITTEE
Mrs. George H.W. Bush
President & Mrs. Jimmy Carter
President William J. Clinton &
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
Mrs. Gerald R. Ford

CHAIRMAN
President George H.W. Bush\

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5548175

[MethuenProgressive]

79. Did they write Obama's answers?

Obama agreed to a debate but didn't know who was putting it on?
Which is your excuse?

[not_too_L8]

83. So your saying it was unbiased? along with

a former Clinton staffer as moderator?

What do think HRC campaign would have done if he did not participate?

You can support who you like, but be honest with yourself

[kevinbgoode]

82. I think he had already "struck out" for you.

So it's rather moot for you to attempt to explain the lack of journalistic ethics on the part of the ABC News staff, particularly when it has already been shown the received many questions from the Right.

Obviously you don't consider it a conflict of interest for a former Clinton staff member to serve as a primary moderator in a debate with a Clinton family member present - particularly when the questions about "associations" and their effect are being lodged at candidates.

By the way, I haven't seen many post-debate polls which indicate Obama struck out. . .even if most of the audience, judging from responses on ABC News' own web site, was appalled at the ridiculous line of Hannity-inspired questioning.

[MethuenProgressive]

88. Another one blaming the pitcher...

He's just not ready for the big leagues.

[kevinbgoode]

93. And a former First Lady with a long list of scandals

and the chosen candidate for the Democratic Party by the REPUBLICANS is?

[susankh4]

114. What don't they get?

Don't they know what kind of pitchers we will face in the G.E.?

:banghead:

Boggles the mind.

[dpbrown]

90. But... the Messiah can't strike out, can he?

Couldn't he just order the ball to change paths?

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[DemGa]

94. When Obama fails -- so does what they've projected onto his "blank screen"

This seems the most plausible explanation for the over-the-top defense of one they hardly know.

Of course, it's exacerbated by their irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton. But that's another matter.

[jackson_dem]

101. Obama knows it and that is why he is scared of showing up for any future debate

[kikiek]

103. He was shook up. He doesn't do well during debates, and even worse under pressure.

[amelia]

104. K&R

[RBInMaine]

106. A SLICK HILLY supporter calling Obama (or ANYONE) a "liar." You don't pass the straight face test.

[MethuenProgressive]

109. Snopes debunks some of Barack Obama's many lies about his life:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

[Chalco]

110. He struck out because he couldn't use a teleprompter.

He has nothing to back up the words David Axelrod tells him to say. He's nothing but a conartist.

[MethuenProgressive]

111. You're probably right.

He's a product of Axlerod Inc.

[susankh4]

115. Didn't have his "just words" eh?

[Raffi Ella]

117. AMEN MethuenProgressive !

poor little Barack! They were mean to him!!!! :eyes:

While Senator Clinton gets burned at the stake in the media for ANY mis step Barack has them so deep in his pocket that they blame the format/ moderators for his bad night.

If it had been Senator Clinton MSM and D.U. would be praising those very same Moderators.

[MethuenProgressive]

119. We have discoverd Barack's Secret! It's Jedi Mind Tricks!! (link)

http://videos.newsobserver.com/index.php?a=player&id=1816319

[cliffordu]

120. Will you be leaving right after she steps down or will you

hang out until after the General Election??

[SeaLyons]

121. K&R