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BlueFireAnt Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:34 AM
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Obama, McCain, or Hillary, in the end does it REALLY make a difference?
Let me start this saying I am an Obama supporter. He seems like the only one who MAY not fit the mold, but hopefully we'll find out over the next four years. Until he proves me wrong, I'm sticking by my opinion of all politicians.



Truth is, THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS. They pander to what their base wants to hear and try to steal a few from the other side. They are all about what is best for them. If they weren't, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. We've had Democrats and Republicans in the White House and holding majorities ni the legislative branch and nothing has really changed. Every time you vote it is for the lesser of two evils. We have just been programmed to believe it makes a difference. Economies go up and down, regardless of who's in charge. Tell me how anyone's life has really changed because of who's in charge. I don't mean the way we feel about things, I mean how has it REALLY changed. I consider myself liberal, but I'm also a realist. The government SHOULD take care of those who can't take care of themselves, but only a fool would DEPEND on it. It won't happen. That's why, as individuals, we should take care of one another. Period.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:36 AM
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1. THE SUPREME COURT!
at least 2 appointments by the next President
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:41 AM
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2. and that is the orig. definition of Govt. Perhaps we should throw the dumb-f's out
at the top and start back at the beginning with the constitution..
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BlueFireAnt Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:51 AM
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5. I think it is getting close to that point.
Government should be cleansed every so often.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:42 AM
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3. Yes, it makes a big FAT freaking difference.
To equate either Clinton or Obama to McCain is ignorant.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:42 AM
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4. Obama and Clinton
are far better than McCain.

I am voting for the DEM nominee no matter what, and I am not a huge fan of either Obama or Clinton.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:52 AM
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6. Gore and Chimp...
...oh, wait!


:thumbsdown:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:56 AM
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7. It's easy to become cynical, but the fact is there is a significant difference
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 11:57 AM by NCevilDUer
between Democrats and Republicans. We've have unbroken Republican rule for close to 30 years (discounting the Clinton/DLC years which are neutral, at best), but Democrats CAN change peoples' lives on a fundamental level.

It starts with the belief that the government is part of the solution, not the problem. HUD works, when you don't put criminals in charge of it to loot it. Properly run and funded welfare programs can lift people out of poverty - improperly run and underfunded programs trap people in poverty. The first thing republicans do (as clinton did with his republican 'welfare reform') is cut welfare funding which makes it non-functional, giving them a reason to eliminate it.

Democrats gave us Social Security and Medicare; Republicans diverted funds from them so they will not meet their obligations, and claim that because they won't meet their obligations they must be scrapped.

The first thing to do is remove from government the parties which do not believe in government, but in corporations - the Republicans and the DLC. THEN you will see politicians who believe in the transformative power of government accomplishing what they are there to do.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:58 AM
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8. Yes.
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 11:58 AM by crispini
"Tell me how anyone's life has really changed because of who's in charge."

Why don't you ask the 4000+ Americans dead in Chimp's War.

Next question.
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:06 PM
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9. Funny, that's EXACTLY how I felt in 2000
That's why, when * was handed the presidency, I thought "well, how bad could he possibly be?"


Pretty damn bad.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:19 PM
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12. Me too - I though we had checks and balances to prevent damage like this
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:07 PM
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10. Simply "Yes" ... but nice try at IMO attempting to suppress the vote. eom
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:18 PM
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11. McCain will freeze all but military spending, SS and Medicare for only those he thinks deserves it
Eliminate tax on gas (more bridges falling down like Minneapolis, No alternative minimum tax for anyone, drop corporate taxes. Drop taxes on wealthy.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:20 PM
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13. You sound like someone who has been victimized for a long time.
You need to raise your expectations and raise your hope.

Let your anger show. Do not take it for granted that you are getting screwed. Fight!
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