"Bitch gets the job done"

[question everything]

We had a guest for dinner, but while we were working on it, we had the debate on ABC on.

The guest, who generally does not follow politics closely, just tell him who the Democratic nominee is and he'll vote for him/her, had this observation:

Obama was forthright, intelligence, knowledgeable and articulate, and quick on his feet. But when they question Clinton's "likability" I knew that she can get the job done.

And, of course, this goes back to the "woman thing" that some of us observed early on.

Women in the workforce have to work twice as hard to get even notices. Women cannot afford to just sit and shoot the breeze. They constantly have to prove themselves. And, often, not sitting and schmoozing with the guys would hurt their "likability." And, this, of course, is what Tina Fey highlighted so well on SNL (and why the rebuttal was so lame).

As bosses, they cannot afford to be chummy with their subordinates for fear of appearing unprofessional. Everything in their life: presentations, projects, appearance, spouses, kids - have to be perfect.

And perhaps this is the reason why we may not be ready for a woman president. Perhaps we need another generation for all of us to accept women as men - warts and all.

[babylonsister]

1. Show me a woman worthy of the presidency and I'd vote for her.

This one's not cutting the mustard.

[GoneOffShore]

3. Or anything else.

I wouldn't trust Hills to cut the cheese.

[rurallib]

10. I was so, so hoping for a Boxer or a Sebelius to step forward.

As a father with two daughters I cheer and even help to bring down those barriers. But conditions must be right including the players. Clinton is not the right player.

[question everything]

18. Hillary should not be supported or opposed because she is a woman

just as Obama should not because he is black.

Unfortunately, many have done just the same. And while, at least on DU, blacks were not chastised for expressing their support because "our time has come" (I think that Oprah has used a similar phrase) women have.

And you can even see it by the words used to criticize: "bitch" and "whore" and "shrill" and "cackle" but nothing similar for Obama.

Women who criticize Hillary are being praised and paraded on Cable (yesterday was about old women for Obama) but blacks who criticize Obama - and I am sure that there are - well, you never hear about them.

Yes, many dislike Hillary, have disliked her from 1992, perhaps even before, back in Arkansas. But the truth is that had she been more "likable" she would have never reached to even that stage. Same with Pelosi, who does not have many admires, either.

[writes3000]

2. All that Hillary Clinton is missing is integrity.

Unfortunately, it's a key ingredient I like to have in my leaders.

One of the best things she has going for her is that she's a woman. I've loved almost every female boss I've had. They've been great leaders. And they had integrity.

[Medusa]

6. Experience is helpful too.

Had her last name been "Smith", she'd never, in a billion years, been elected to the Senate, let alone mounted a run for the presidency. This country is not a hereditary monarchy last time I checked but try telling that to Queen Hillary.

[question everything]

19. Would Ted Kenney have? (eom)

[niyad]

29. and what experience does obama have? seriously, what exactly qualified him to run

for the senate, and then to declare a run for the presidency with two years as a senator? why the double standard?

[hedgehog]

4. I want a society that allows women to succeed by being women

instead of forcing them to be imitation men. Thanks for helping me articulate to myself why I prefer Obama. To me, he represents a multicultural America that allows all of us the opportunity to succeed as ourselves without being forced to be copies of WASP males.

[JuniperLea]

15. I sort of feel the same way

I agree completely on forcing women to be imitation men! This is Hillary's worst problem.


Call me cynical, but I don't trust Obama, regardless of the color of his skin, to break the WASP male role in our culture or our political system. I think he will need to mold himself into the same "man mold" that Hillary is trying to fit.

[SoCalDem]

5. Wow.. you guys eat dinner LATE

:)

[question everything]

20. About 8:30 local

yes, was a bit late. We did not bother to wait for the end of the debate, though..

:hi:

[SoCalDem]

22. My husband has to have dinner before 6 or he whines like a baby

but then he goes to bed at 8 pm.:)

has to hit the freeway before 5AM :(

[Cronopio]

7. Which job? nt

[NDambi]

8. I am a woman and a boss..and I completely disagree..

[JuniperLea]

12. Interesting

I'm a woman and a boss and I completely agree.

[dkf]

9. Why does anyone think she'd get the job done?

She's botched the two biggest things in her life...health care and this election.

She took over health care when the Dems were in charge of both houses of congress...

She ran with a HUGE advantage in money and in contacts and associates.

How is it that she can start off with the biggest advantages, and still botch things up? I honestly don't get it.

[MaineDem]

11. Why call her a bitch?

Was that necessary?

:shrug:

[JuniperLea]

14. I think you need to read again...

It was in quotes... and it is very relative to the explanation in the OP. I don't see it as derogatory toward Clinton in the slightest. This is merely an explanation of this particular war in the battle of the sexes.

As a woman, I find it appropriate in this instance.

[question everything]

24. Are you familiar with the Tina Fey skit on Saturday Night Live?

She said how some object to Clinton, said she was "a bitch." And Tina Fey had a great commentary about she (Tina Fey), as well as the "Co-Anchor" Amy Pohlen are "bitches." That bitches get the job done, that teachers in Catholic schools are nuns, not priests. That the nuns are "bitches" but this is why when the kids graduate, they know the capital of Vermont.

(And, this, of course, is the difference from Randi who called Clinton "a whore," but never pointed at herself, the way Tina Fey did, and said: "I am a whore.")

[MaineDem]

26. Maybe I'm just too old

I don't see the humor in a term like that being accepted into casual use.

But I won't stop trying. :shrug:

[question everything]

27. No, you are not. And normally I, and others, would bristle at it

However, the way Tina Fey had it - and it was removed from YouTube after a couple of days - it created a lot of stir.

Plus, as we have seen with Don Imus with the "N" word and "Ho," oppressed groups often use a derogatory term among themselves but would not, correctly, accept it when outside use it.

[TankLV]

31. noticed that too - I cringed when I saw that...

can the mods or the OP change it - it is not a good comment for DU...

[JuniperLea]

13. I think she is over-compensating...

And trying to act like a man. An old-school man. Electing a woman who acts like an old-school man really defeats the purpose of electing a woman.

Our patriarchal society has screwed us all up. I think it's time for a matriarchal society, with women leaders who act, and respond, as women do.

We would have far fewer wars... we would feed the hungry... shelter the homeless... we'd take far better care of ourselves and our country, no question.





Edited for spelling.

[Armstead]

16. No..... We just need a woman who is not a Neurotic Narcissist

Hillary's main fault has nothing to do with her gender.

She is a narcissist, but also one who is so neurotic that she constantly undermines herself, and whatever cause she is supporting.

A woman with a true strong core of values, and a sense of natural self-confidence and consistency could do quite well.

[pompano]

17. Yea,

Once upon a time most everyone thought it would be nice to have a President with the persona of "he would be a fun guy to have a beer with".

And that was what?...about $3 trillion ago?

[hfojvt]

21. all that whining has not been my experience

A couple of recent examples in my life anyway. I recently applied for a position in the finance department. I have a masters degree with a major in economics, and my BA major was math. I have run my own businesses for about ten years. Yet I did not get the job. The job was given to a woman who had worked there part time as a clerk. Did she really have to work twice as hard to get noticed?

Then there's my own department. My building manager is a woman. When the department head retired, she moved up to take his spot on a contingency basis until they did the job search interview process. No problem there, as she has been building manager forever, and as such was #2 to the department head.

The bad part was that her building manager spot was then filled by a woman who has only worked as the desk clerk. A woman who has only been there a year longer than me, and a woman who is a high school drop out with a GED. Did she really have to work twice as hard to get noticed? The desk clerk job involves a lot of sitting around and yakking with customers and either reading or watching TV.

I see quite the opposite. I have worked with many women who did less work, but that was considered acceptable because no one expects a woman to do as much heavy lifting as a man.

[goletian]

23. I WOULD VOTE RACHEL MADDOW FOR PRESIDENT

hillary clinton just sucks. really, really sucks. this was her primary race to lose, and she lost it. she had it in the bag before obama surprised her. she slept on him, her bad.

[SeaLyons]

25. Bitches get things done....

Like her or hate her...she will get it done.

We don't need to wait, we need her NOW.

Go Hillary!!!

[Skwmom]

28. Hillary is a DISGRACE to every woman who actually got ahead based on their OWN abilities.

When she falsely accuses people of sexism she is hurting everyone woman who is actually hurt by true sexism. She is a disgrace.

[barack the house]

30. That's great more power to you, if you can now prove yourselves at arithmatic that'd be cool too.