What I got from the "debate" was that Senator Clinton is better at

[Ron Green]

smiling and bobbing and weaving, appearing to have a ready answer for even the most vapid question the Disney employees could throw at her. Senator Obama, on the other hand, seemed genuinely engaged in the present, upset that these questions were taking up our time and wrestling with the crooked game as well as the more substantive issues.

Despite (or maybe because of) her skills, I just don't trust Clinton.

[lutefisk]

1. Disney and Clinton were definitely on the same page, anyway.

It looked as if Disney gave Clinton the whole plan including the script ahead of time, while telling Obama they would only be asking questions of substance and importance to the voters' lives.

Of course that didn't happen, but that's the way it came across to me.

[Tribetime]

2. well you know....that's what I was thinking while watching

[Liberal Gramma]

3. I just tried to squash the bug on my computer screen

pretty cute.

[lutefisk]

15. Sometimes I think it's too obnoxious, but I don't have the heart to kill it

:shrug:

:hi:

[cliffordu]

20. Fock! LOL -

I just tried to kill your moving ant thingy there....


Either that or I'm seeing things again....

[Skidmore]

31. Dayum, I almost killed my monitor!!!

I thought I had a bug on it.

[nichomachus]

32. Probably because Disney has given more money to Hillary

than to anyone else. They were just protecting their investment.

[Lerkfish]

4. I"m an Obama fan, but I'll admit she looked more polished in delivery than him, HOWEVER

she also practically guaranteed "massive retaliations" against Iran, and again said she'd refuse to talk to ahmenijad (sp).

then she tried to say she'd try diplomacy first....LOL...diplomacy where you shit on the leader and then massively retaliate against him.

diplomacy, not so much.

and I will add, that she looked a little more polished, but you can only polish something unsavory so much.

that having been said, I was a little disappointed in Obama's lack of cohesiveness in responses, and for wavering a few times before coming up with an answer.

Doesn't change my opinion of him as our next president, he just seemed a little off his game. And yes, for you hillary supporters, I'm being honest here.

[Jane Austin]

5. I think those "massive retaliations" are Nuclear, no?

Didn't she say she'd put a "Nuclear Shield" over the Middle East?

[Lerkfish]

9. Not in so many words, but that's the impression I got as well

if the moderators were worth anything, they would have pressed her as to what "massive retaliations" really means.

also, she was springboarding the repub propaganda that its not alright for Iran to have nuclear POWER, (which is different than weapons) -- but its perfectly alright for the extremely unstable Pakistani govt. to have nuke weapons that we PROVIDED to them. (not to mention Isreal)

[Jane Austin]

17. Rachel Maddow and Pat Buchanan

were all over that on Olbermann's show.

[lutefisk]

16. So, Israel could provoke Iran, Iran responds, and the US goes "massive"?

That's the impression I got.

Nice plan.

[Divernan]

25. That's the scenario people are expecting from Bush - he may beat her to it.

[cbayer]

29. He also said that all options were on the table if Iran attacked Israel.

In my mind, that is codespeak for a nuclear attack. I was a little taken aback by both of their responses on this issue.

[Divernan]

24. HRC is megalomaniacal - wants to be policeman for the whole Middle East

and pay the considerable price in terms of U.S. forces and funding.

The European Union has done an outstanding job of maintaining peace within its ever growing borders, while providing excellent health care, education, job opportunities to all its members. Then we have the United Nations and NATO.

But Hillary wants to be at the top of the pyramid and be in charge of the entire Middle East!
She is itching to start her own war against Iran, from the sounds of it. Like I've said before, just put her in a flight suit with a pair of socks to stuff in the crotch.

[cbayer]

30. Excuse me? A pair of socks to stuff in the crotch?

What in the world does that mean?

[Divernan]

33. When W was strutting around the carrier flight deck in his flight suit,

there was much discussion about the bulging crotch on his flight suit, and the DU joke was that he must have stuffed a pair of socks in the crotch. That was the carrier with the big "Mission Accomplished" banner.

[cbayer]

34. OK, I must have missed that part.

Just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying, because it could have been really mis-interpreted.

Thanks for the explanation.

[cbayer]

28. Now that's refreshing.

My thought was that he really did well in the first part. He answered the campaign related questions very well while at the same time pointing out that they are not what is important. She did much better in the second part when the more substantive issues were brought up.

He's got the vision and takes the high road. She's got the policy, history and platform locked.

IMHO, they would make a great team.

[Texas Hill Country]

6. Actually, metrically, she did better on policy, he did better on fluff...

nice huh?

[shraby]

7. Just maybe...Clinton had answers cause she

had the questions beforehand????

[Lerkfish]

10. could be, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on that.

This IS make or break for her, so I would expect her to bone up and practice as much as possible. I think she was well rehearsed rather than knew the questions, because she kept bending her questions to fit what she wanted to say instead of directly answering a few of them.

[ShortnFiery]

12. OMG! That's a possibility. eom

[TankLV]

14. just keep on spreading your shit - that;'s all you obamababies have left...

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[Ron Green]

23. It's a tinfoil possibility, but take a look at this thread:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5548175&mesg_id=5548175>

[Ronnie]

26. Let me get this straight -

There are people on this thread (and others) who think that the only way for Senator Clinton to do well is for her to have the questions in advance?
Where on earth do/did you people go to school?

[blues90]

8. I don't trust either of them

I understand Obama want's to talk about issues and passon the old ideals of flinging mud but there is no way to avoid this when the time comes to debate McCain.

Hillary knows this and Obama want's to somehow trust in the people to change this ,not going to happen .

[ShortnFiery]

11. This is not a fucking boxing match, it's our children's future at stake and I don't want to hear

about bullshit that will NOT affect my family personally.

HRC is IMO a first class jerk and she will not INSPIRE people to vote for her.

[Bensthename]

13. One of the most important debates of our time and we got jack out of it..

Thanks mods. I really don't blame Clinton too much. She knows she has to do something to keep from losing PA. She tried.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. Then you missed alot

Clinton showed that she has a signifcant grasp of the issues and is deeply knowledgeable about the problems that face Americans and how to best address them.

Clinton showed that she is a woman of class and of conviction.

Obama showed that he is just not ready for the job.

He was out classed, out fought.

[SoFlaJet]

19. gee it almost seemed like she KNEW the questions

in advance-to me anyway

[TahitiNut]

21. You're not the only one.

It stunk. (And I'm not an Obamaite, either. I may still vote for Kucinich.)

[SoFlaJet]

22. I'm a democrat TN

I at first wanted Gore, then Kerry, then Edwards, then Obama and guess what if Hillary steals this thing I'll even vote for her

[Cha]

35. That would make her "more polished" ..

wouldn't it? However, Obama won.

Obama won. He was presidential, attacked mccain, and didn't let hilary's standing in for mccain ruffle him. IN fact he got some zingers to her pitiful relentless whinging.

"This was a brilliant moment for Obama to strike back, and he did, slapping Clinton with a zinger: Her husband, as president, had formally pardoned two members of the underground organization, whereas he just happened to know a former member.

The New York senator stood there completely stunned by this swift comeback; she was becoming too accustomed to Senator Obama gentlemanly presidential responses".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

"Barack Obama put it well when he spoke of how the two anchors of this evening's debate (and so much of our elitist media & punditocracy) seem interested mainly in "manufactured issues"-- Jeremiah Wright, dodging bullets in Tuzla, flag lapel pins and Bill Ayers-- a major reason so many decent and generous Americans tune out this media."

And this sounds good.. "Pain trickles up" is how Obama tonight described John McCain's economic policies. That smart riff brought pain to Charles Gibson's face.."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph

[dchill]

27. It's pretty easy...

"to have a ready answer for even the most vapid question" when you know what the questions are gonna be. Imagine how great it would be if, hypothetically, one of the moderators was a former employee! Hell, then you could even write some of the questions!