Howard Dean is calling the Superdelegates out, NOW!!!

[NightWatcher]

He has been quoted in news stories going back to March that the supers need to make up their minds by July 1. He is now telling Wolfie on CNN that they need to start NOW saying whom they will support. He agrees that we need to get this thing over with and stop chipping away at each other while McCain is getting a free pass.

Let's end this thing now

[chimpymustgo]

1. He just said they should vote their conscience. People, there's no rush here. Let the people vote.

Count the votes.

[mckeown1128]

6. We already know who is going to be ahead in the vote and PD's

The SD's need to end this thing now. They need to decide if they are going to confirm or overule the will of the voters.

[chimpymustgo]

11. We don't KNOW the will of the voters. And Dean said the SD's should follow their charge:

vote their consciences. That's what their original purpose was. Let's see how the primary plays out. Still a few more weeks to go.

[sandnsea]

17. How many elections are left?

How many delegates? How many does Hillary need to pull ahead? Where is she going to get them?

I want you to do the damn math and post it. You're smarter than this.

[chimpymustgo]

22. It's the same "damn math" as Obama's: neither can get to 2025 without SDs. Obama hasn't sealed the

deal. Sorry.

[sandnsea]

23. No. How many states are left?

How many delegates? How is she going to get more delegates than Obama? The math. Your talking points are shit. Stop it. You are better than this.

[chimpymustgo]

25. Po' baby...

[sandnsea]

27. Seriously. You are better than this

I've known you too long. Stop it. Either put up or shut up. She can't win unless she overturns the will of the people. And if that's her plan, then there's no need to continue with this farce of counting the votes. Just have the superdelegates decide and get it over with.

[tekisui]

30. 98 more Superdelegates will seal the deal for Obama.

[stillcool]

40. I didn't know that..

[tekisui]

43. Estimating the Pledged Delegates he'll pick up in the last 10 contests.

And being generous to HIllary, He will need only an additional 98 or so SD to clinch it.

[mckeown1128]

19. The original purpose of creating SDs was not to put a check on

Democrats nominating someone the party elders don't think should be the nominee. That is a stupid myth. The SDs were created to ensure that party insiders and elected officials went to the damn convention.


And we do know who will end up with the most PDs and popular vote. Obama... Hillary can't win by the very large margins necessary to overtake his lead.

[raebrek]

44. My understanding of the super delegates.

I was under the impression that the reason for super delegates was in case of trouble late in the primary season.

for instance. If several months into the primary season it was discovered that the candidate who was in the clear lead were to become a burden to the party. For some reason like they,

I'm trying to think of a reason that will not inflame anyone on this site.

Like the candidate were secretly keeping 50 lovers. One in the capital of each state and paying for it with campaign money they received from the mafia in direct violation of all campaigning laws. So say all of this info hits the media.

There how is that for trying not to offend anyone.

So because it is late in the primary season and the candidate pretty much had the primary nomination sewn up what would the party do to maintain a viable candidate? Enter the super delegates who could help the nomination process to deal with the updated information to still leave the party with a viable candidate for selection. Okay, I tried my best.

Raebrek!!!

Note: My example of way a candidate could fall out of favor late in the privacy process is work of fiction. Any resemblance of my made up example and real things that have happened or may happen in the world is coincidental and not prophetic as far as I know.

[NightWatcher]

7. No, he said they need to "start saying now" whom they will support

I dont have the link because it just came out of his mouth

[jsamuel]

10. they "started saying" over a year ago

[NightWatcher]

15. he says that it is now time to finish it.

Are you and the other Edwards Supporters going to pick a side? I supported him before, hell I was a Kucinich supporter first, but neither of them are in the race anymore. Do you hope that a repub wins so that Edwards can run in 2012? I really doubt this, but I do think that it is in Hillary's playbook and I was wondering if it was in Edwards' too.

[jsamuel]

24. Edwards withdrew to specifically prevent this scenario.

Pick a side, we're at war!

[Major Hogwash]

36. Edwards withdrew because he hadn't won a single primary or caucus.

He had about as much chance of a match in a snowbank of catching on fire.

[crispini]

13. Weehee! About fuckin time!

I've been posting that a lot lately.

Seriously, for those supers whose states have already voted, what more do they need to see? Dean's right, they need to start cowboying up (and cowgirling up?) and put it out there.

[Major Hogwash]

9. 80% of the votes are already in - she lost.

He won. Time to move on.

80% of the states have already voted, and they overwhelmingly chose Obama.
They are asking Obama to do the impossible, wrap up the nomination WITHOUT a single delegate from Michigan or Florida.
It's almost impossible.

Obama is just about to do the impossible.

[caledesi]

35. Woot! NT

[stillcool]

38. We'll end up in the same place...

Obama will still be ahead in delegates and the popular vote. I guess it doesn't matter unless the party as a whole is interested in campaigning for the GE.

[AllexxisF1]

2. Finally!

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. He said that right now?

I think we will see more than the 7 or 8 super delegates that Obama picked up
in the last two days.

[LSparkle]

4. HRC doesn't realize how she hurts herself by going into the gutter

It makes more and more party members just want to end this. She could
stay in until later if she weren't getting so negative, but these attacks
are going to force the "wise old men" to move against her.

[redqueen]

8. She's not an idiot. She knows. She just doesn't care. (nt)

[Divernan]

21. She knows, but she just can't help herself - it's her nature, like a scorpion

A frog and a scorpion were sitting on a river bank. "Hey frog," said the scorpion. "I need to go to the other side of the river. Would you carry me across on your back?"

"No way," said the frog. "If I let you come close to me, you'd sting me and kill me."

The scorpion said, "That would be stupid. If I stung you while we were in the river, we'd both drown."

"Hmmm, that's true," said the frog. "OK, hop on."

So the scorpion climbed on the frog's back and they headed out into the river. Halfway across the river the scorpion stung the frog.

"What did you do that for?" cried the frog, as they were both going down for the third time.

"I couldn't help it," said the scorpion. "It's my nature."

[DJ13]

5. Last night's debate may be the straw the broke the camel's back

ABC may have thought they were helping Clinton, but they went too far.

[Texas Hill Country]

12. howard dean is such a wimp... he wants the SD's to bail him out on FL and MI

[madfloridian]

14. Something is wrong when people think a candidate is more important

than a party.

[Dawgs]

26. Huh? Would you also be okay with the police letting a criminal go when they break the law?

Why are you blaming him? He's the one following the rules.

Or, maybe it's that you don't believe in democracy when it hurts your candidate.

[Lucky 13]

29. Utter nonsense.

The FL/MI issue is settled. He just wants the REST of it to get settled as quickly as possible so we can stop damaging the eventual nominee, whomever that is.

[smiley_glad_hands]

32. He's a wimp because he wont change the rules? FL and MI created their own mess.

[stillcool]

41. bullshit...

It's way too late to keep pimping that spin. It is so telling when "Democrats" debase Howard Dean, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, etc.

[raebrek]

45. It is interesting.

I have not read anything about MI or FL in quite a bit. The DNC must have made their minds up finally.

Raebrek!!!

[knixphan]

16. wrap it up, folks.

The cannons are almost ready.

Hands on deck.

Sparring is over.

Fight starts in 3...2...1...

[tekisui]

18. About 98 more SD's to Obama will give him enough to secure the Nomination.

Basing that on Hillary getting 55% wins in her favored states, and Obama getting 55% in his favored states, of the last 10.

[Ashy Larry]

20. He needs a "Wrap It Up Box"

As seen on Chappelle's show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45LzDRmHrmg

[tokenlib]

28. Bill and Hill are going to be pissed...With Dean nudging the SD's.....

...now maybe the other "statemen" types can step in and help end this. Clinton campaign heads will now explode.

But the toxic levels are too high--and the party is getting hurt..

[quantass]

31. Good call

[MagickMuffin]

33. I agree Dr. Dean, NOW is the Time for ALL Good Men & Women to Come to the AID of their PARTY

I think Hillary should suspend her candidacy like Edwards did. Everyone could STILL vote for her if they chose too, but she would be hanging in suspended animation.

[Mme. Defarge]

34. "Doe a deer, a female deer ...

Plus-size female warming up her vocal cords!

[Major Hogwash]

37. We have crossed the Rubicon!

It's now time to go after our real enemy - McCain and the Bush toadies!

Bring it on!

[anonymous171]

39. He knows about the dangers of media overexposure all too well.

:thumbsup:

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

42. I propose next time, that SDs cast their Vote the same day as their home state primary.

To eliminate any late decisions.