MSNBC just reported a new poll: Barack is honest and trustworthy 58%. HRC only 30%.

[blm]

Gregory and panel saying once your trust numbers go that low, it's nearly impossible to get them back.

Scarborough even admitted that during IranContra Reagan's trust numbers went that low and he proceeded to lose the GOP majority in the Senate.

You rarely hear a Republican admit that.

[Pirate Smile]

1. Is it a brand new poll or the Wash Post/ABC poll that came out earlier?

[blm]

4. Was that one of WaPos poll questions? If so, then yes, it must be the same.

.

[Xipe Totec]

2. What's does the truthiness poll say about MSNBC?

[Submariner]

3. Hillary proved one thing for sure last night

She doesn't give a rats ass about what her eventual constituency could think of her. If she made it to the GE she knows Obama supporters would vote for her, holding our noses, but voting for her. So as long as she has the power, she does not care if she is hated by the alienated Obama block of voters.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. I wonder if she realizes how she is damaging her own future?

I cannot believe that she can wave a magic wand, and make all the bitterness of her campaign tactics simply disappear.

[bvar22]

21. To use Hillary's own words, "Screw them".

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[blm]

43. She's doing Kamikaze now - BushInc now needs McCain to win, and Clintons protect BushInc

first and foremost.

[book_worm]

5. It must suck to be considered a liar.

[NJmaverick]

36. That's why it's not a good idea to lie

[AtomicKitten]

7. And she will continue to break that record with her sustained ugly.

It is absolutely breathtaking watching her flail about so.

[Ian_rd]

10. She's a child in a playpen

She's decided that if she can't have all the other kid's toys, then she's going to break them instead.

[AtomicKitten]

13. It makes zero sense, really.

She is wrecking herself on the rocks precluding any future political viability for herself. Funny how the Clintons had the reputation for being arguably the pros only to find both their asses being soundly beat by the n00b, the freshman Senator, the new kid. And they aren't having any of that. It's like watching the Titanic slip under the water. Oy.

[Vattel]

33. can't you at least

find new and original smears?

[Ian_rd]

45. I do my best. Could you provide links to other instances of the same smear?

I don't remember seeing that one actually, and I want to know who I'm plagiarizing. Thanks!

[AZBlue]

16. "sustained ugly"

I LIKE that!

:toast:

[AtomicKitten]

20. I just wish she wouldn't use it on a fellow Democrat.

:toast:

[AZBlue]

31. I'm still incredulous every time she does. I know I should be used to it by now, but I'm not.

[Life Long Dem]

8. She is so unelectable.

[burythehatchet]

9. This thing has been over since Superduper Tuesday

[cbayer]

11. Could you please link to the poll you are citing? nt.

[blm]

12. It was part of a discussion on MSNBC. They put up the numbers -

poster above thinks it may be WaPost poll that came out earlier. I'll try to catch the transcript when it comes out.

I am sure eventually the poll will pop up here.

[cbayer]

23. Ok. You are usually very good about providing links

and I am always skeptical until I can look at the data for myself.

[blm]

30. heh....yeah...but you didn't exactly trust the word of a noted historian

and preferred YOUR view that his observations of Clintons backstabbing Kerry campaign in 2003 and 2004 never happened and were just gossip.

So..... better wait for the transcript.

[kevinmc]

14. 30% is way to high. n/t

[AZBlue]

15. 30%?

That high?

[bevoette]

17. well, duh (nm)

[StevieM]

18. Reagan lost the Senate before Iran-Contra broke. And Barack has run a brilliant campaign of

personal destruction against Sen. Clinton, making it look like she was going negative on him. He has said the most hateful and viscious things about her. But I'm sure that if she wins then the media will jump to write the history books to say that "the people rejected the politics of personal attack."

Steve

[blm]

19. IranContra broke first. Kerry started uncovering it in 1985.

Of course, there were so many outstanding matters in IranCXontra yet to be resolved when Bill took office, but since he supported Poppy Bush on his IranContra operations, he had no interest in any further examinations and downplayed their import for the historic record. He did the same with Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning, too.

Jackson Stephens tapped the right boy in Arkansas to protect BushInc, eh?

[JackORoses]

24. She is a Liar. One day you will realize this.

[StevieM]

27. Nope, she's great. And Obama is a despicable man (eom)

[blm]

28. She's a traitor to the Dem party - always has been. Jackson Stephens tapped the right couple

to protect the Bush's left flank throughout the 90s.

[aquart]

35. One day Obama will smile into your eyes and lie again

And you finally realize he's been lying all along.

Or not. It is possible to fool some of the people all of the time.

[Blondbostonian]

25. Stevie, try using some of your critical thinking skills

You know in your heart what you just wrote was complete bullshit. I look forward to your support of Obama in November.

[FlaGranny]

26. Please list

the vicious things Obama said about Clinton.

[StevieM]

29. He has said that she wants to use race to divide and scare us. He has said that she will

say or do anything to win. He had said a lot hateful things about her, usually through his surrogates, which in my mind doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. But those are two examples of what he said himself.

And if you come back and say "he was right!" then all you are really saying is that he is right to run a campaign of personal destruction.

Steve

[blm]

32. Clintons are the biggest backstabbers of other Democrats in modern history.

And that includes Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman.

There hasn't been a Dem in DC who has protected BushInc more than Clintons have.

[karynnj]

38. At least Hunter Thompson would agree

He supposedly said:
"Nixon stabbed his enemies in the back; Clinton stabbed his friends in the back"

[FlaGranny]

49. Oh, okay then, I guess you

missed that in each instance, HER campaign first brought up each issue, and each rather mild response was pounced upon, accusing him of the tactics the Clintons used. You must be watching a different campaign season than I am. I cannot remember one single time that he has said anything derisive about her personally. He DOES frequently bring up her poor judgment in voting for the war though - and that certainly IS "right."

[aquart]

37. You cannot convince a rhinoceros of anything.

Why even bother to try?

[blm]

39. Heh - you want to agree w/Steve that IranContra broke AFTER Nov 1986, go ahead. Heheh...

Don't expect me to be convinced, because I read the National Security Archives when I want information. Where you two get your info, I can guess - FOX, maybe?

[Rosemary2205]

22. They are both about 90% trustworthy and 10% manure - McCain is the opposite

that's why MSNBC ran the poll.

[aquart]

34. Mudslinging campaign worked beautifully, didn't it?

[blm]

41. Self-inflicted and the awareness of more Democrats to their deceits has been a long time coming.

How LONG did you WANT them to get away with backstabbing any Dem who got in their way or stepped up to oppose Bush?

[ORDem]

50. Yeah, Hillary throwing mud all over herself (oohhh, sniper fire!) worked great!!

:eyes:

[quantass]

40. No surprises for Hillary...no one trusts her! Glad to see America are truth seeker.

:crazy:

[Coexist]

42. ....

[Scurrilous]

44. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. How could it possibly be any different? The propaganda is spewed

constantly attacking Clinton whether or not it has anything to do with reality, while Obama's lies (just as bad, and just as often) are ignored.

The Americans are lemmings. Lazy asses sitting on the couch taking in Tweety the sexist pig, and nods in agreement cause it is so much easier than thinking for themselves.

How could it possibly be any different? I applaud the 30% that see this SHAM for what it is.

And I am laughing my ass off at all of these people who a month ago were cheering when Clinton was attacked. And now are so so so outraged at Obama's treatment.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Bonobo]

47. Guess the people see through your shallow, insincere veneer, Shillary.

[JBoy]

48. Those numbers are brutal. They're Bush-like.

[Bensthename]

51. She is on a sure track to the nomination with that big number..

[quantass]

52. k