Clinton MUCH more electable than Obama in new 14 state poll

[jackson_dem]

Why is she more electable? You know the answer: she does much better with whites and Latinos.

Massachusetts

H 56, M 41
O 48, M 46

New Mexico

M 49, H 46
M 50, O 44

Missouri

H 47, M 46
M 50, O 42

New York

H 55, M 39
O 52, H 43

Ohio

H 53, O 42
M 47, O 45

Oregon

H 47, M 46
O 51, M 42

Virginia

M 55, H 39
M 52, O 44

Wisconsin

H 46, M 46
O 49, M 44

Kansas

M 57, H 36
M 54, O 37

Alabama

M 60, H 34
M 64, O 32

California

H 53, M 40
O 50, H 43

Iowa

M 48, H 42
O 49, M 42

Kentucky

M 48, H 46
M 63, O 29

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_surveyusa_statewide_ges.php

[ej510]

1. Mutha Fucka Please!

[jackson_dem]

2. Maybe he should drop out for the good of the party?

[Quixote1818]

5. Maybe Hillary should stop attacking Obama since he is going to be the Nominee

Perhaps his numbers would go back up to where they were before all of Hillary's attacks? :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

8. Thanks for agreeing with many of us: Obama has a glass jaw

If he can't handle softballs from Clinton how bad will he be in the general election? Dukakis bad or Mondale bad?

[Texas Hill Country]

11. hear, hear

[Quixote1818]

15. Both Obama and Hillary would cream McCain. Even Dennis Kucinich would

win this year. Don't let these early numbers fool you. Once attention turns to Obama vs. McCain and everyone realizes he is Bush II those numbers will change very quickly.

[jackson_dem]

That is very unrealistic. There is no evidence to support that "hope"

Just like Kerry would crush Bush, right?

[Quixote1818]

19. Bush was an incumbent and the war was just starting to go bad

It's virtually impossible to beat an incumbent. Also, the economy is heading into recession and gas prices are insane. It's a perfect storm and McCain is in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Texas Hill Country]

24. no one thought that bush would win, even the republicans.

[jackson_dem]

25. It is possible to beat an incumbent. Look at the record

2004 Kerry almost did it (Clark would have won)
1996 incumbent wins
1992 incumbent loses
1984 incumbent wins
1980 incumbent loses
1976 incumbent loses
1972 incumbent wins

[kwenu]

38. What ej510said. Back to your old race baiting tactics eh Jackie?

[jackson_dem]

42. What race baiting? It is a fact Obama does worse with this groups

He does better with black voters, as Obamites love to note. Is that race baiting against Clinton? He does better with young voters, as obamites love to note. Is that age baiting?

[Bluebear]

46. What scintillating commentary.

[Quixote1818]

3. Is Obama running against Hillary in New York?

New York

H 55, M 39
O 52, H 43



Hillary running against Obama in Ohio too.

Ohio

H 53, O 42
M 47, O 45

:shrug:

[DemGa]

4. Delete

Oops

[Quixote1818]

6. Look again. nt

[jackson_dem]

Yeah he does better in a couple of states. Overall he is MUCH worse

2 points in Massachusetts? Losing Ohio? 29% in Kentucky while Clinton puts it into play?

[woolldog]

7. I know Hillary's base is uneducated.

But this is ridiculous. Can't you read?

[Yurovsky]

12. I wouldn't say uneducated ...

but easily duped, perhaps.

[rodeodance]

55. Only an idiot would say that. Do you know the sociological term that the

pollsters use to describe this group or are you just uneducated as to that term? or just plan foolish?



.......I know Hillary's base is uneducated.
Posted by woolldog


But this is ridiculous. Can't you read?

[BobRossi]

9. Mostly red states.

Gosh, that was hard.

[jackson_dem]

14. Wait. Isn't Obama going to unite everyone and win in red states?

Has that gone out the window along with "hope"? Some of the states are blue (like MA which Obama is within the margin of error!), some are red, and some are swing states. It is a good sample of all types of states from all sections of the country.

[Straight Shooter]

10. Shhhhhh. You'll wake the babies.

:hi:

[dchill]

13. Too late...

we're awake, S.S.

[Yurovsky]

18. Babies? Is that what were calling "colored folk" nowadays?

The blatant racism of the Clintons & their uneducated followers never ceases to amaze me. :puke:

[Straight Shooter]

22. WTF?

I mean, seriously, :wtf:

[jackson_dem]

26. The race card is the only card Obamanation can play and he may be paying a price for it

[Straight Shooter]

34. This is what will happen in the GE.

People will get turned off when the most innocuous statements are twisted and warped in such a manner. As the Brits would say, I'm absolutely gobsmacked.

Can you imagine 4 years of this sh*t???

[jackson_dem]

43. Exactly and this likely has played a role in the erosion of his white, Latino support

[lark]

40. BS

:puke: Back at you.

[bobthedrummer]

16. MARK PENN is still conducting POLLS for the Clinton campaign as well as "ADVISING"

"Know Your DLC: Mark Penn"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5515506

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. In several if the polls listed the difference is within the margin of error.

And in several others it's hishly questionalble as to why you listed them at all. Do you think McCain is going to win Massachusetts in the GE? Do you think any Democrat will win Alabama or Kansas? If you think these things you're delusional (but then you actually think there's a ghost of a chance Hillary will win the nomination, too, so that's very possibly the case).

[jackson_dem]

20. The key is the difference between Hillary and Obama

Can McSame win Massachusetts? Perhaps, especially against a weak candidate like Obama. Romney won there didn't he? McSame is the type of rethug that can have a shot in states like that. It is funny how blind Obamites are to McSame's strength. We need a candidate who can keep all the blue states and win most of the swing states against him. That candidate is Clinton.

Clinton can't win Alabama but she can win Kentucky. Obama? 29% there. 29%...

[Quixote1818]

21. I agree. In most of those polls where Hillary does better, it's by a point or two.

Big fucking deal. Hillary and McCain have been attacking him relentlessly for months now and all Hillary can muster is a point better than Obama? Pretty pathetic.

[AtomicKitten]

23. Too bad she can't win the nomination to try your theory out.

too bad
so sad

:hi:

[catnhatnh]

27. Let's see if I can guess all 14 states....

1.Delusion
2.Denial
3.Confusion
4.Stupor
5.Intoxication
6.Disarray
7.Disbelief
8.Disinformation
9.Duress
10.Unrest
11.War
12.Civil Unrest
13.Hallucination
14.???

Nope-looks like 13 at best....

[Hawkeye-X]

36. 14 - Stupidity

Can't believe you forgot that :P

[Hawkeye-X]

28. #2....

Waiting for you to post another useless thread so we can count it done for the day.

Once again, GE polls is STILL irrelevant until we have a nominee.

Then the state polls will matter and we'll be on top on almost every one.

Hawkeye-X

[gcomeau]

29. You get more ridiculous with every post.

It's reaching the point where you're almost a cartoon character. Seriously. Let me just insert some cliffnotes into your post, I'll bold them:

Massachusetts

H 56, M 41
O 48, M 46 Obama wins Massachussetts by narrower margin, state where there is no actual chance it's a battleground in November and either will win.

New Mexico

M 49, H 46
M 50, O 44 Practically a statistical tie

Missouri

H 47, M 46
M 50, O 42 One for Hillary

New York

H 55, M 39
O 52, M 43 Both win a solid blue state

Ohio

H 53, M 42
M 47, O 45 Two for Hillary

Oregon

H 47, M 46
O 51, M 42 One for Obama

Virginia

M 55, H 39
M 52, O 44 Both lose handily

Wisconsin

H 46, M 46
O 49, M 44 Call it a draw, even though Obama wins and Hillary ties

Kansas

M 57, H 36
M 54, O 37 Both lose handily

Alabama

M 60, H 34
M 64, O 32 Both lose handily

California

H 53, M 40
O 50, M 43 Both win a solid blue state

Iowa

M 48, H 42
O 49, M 42 Two for Obama

Kentucky

M 48, H 46
M 63, O 29 Hillary makes it close, call it three for Hillary to be generous.

So... in 14 polls Hillary edges out a 3-2 advantage with a bunch of other in the bag states for both. This of course inspires jackson_dem to title the analysis "Clinton MUCH more electable than Obama in new 14 state poll"

It's sad. It really is. And, um... how are they doing in the other 36 states? I think we know...

And you forget to mention, this polling was conducted last weekend, right smack in the middle of "bittergate". And we all know what happened to Obama's poll numbers a couple days after that, they rebounded completely. So here you are once again trying to sell a snapshot taken from the absolute lowest possible point in Obama polling to try to sell Clinton as being electable, and you can still barely make an argument. This is from their own summary of the results:

"Overall, Obama gained ground in 7 of the 15 states we polled, lost ground in six, and remained steady in two; Clinton gained ground in 5 states, lost ground in 8, and remained steady in 2."

In other words, Obama outperformed Clinton relative to previous polling, even in the middle of the bittergate fracas.

[cali]

50. I wish I could rec your post.

excellent job, and indeed the OP's uncanny imitation of Baghdad Bob, is a marvel.

[terrell9584]

30. Kentucky is the one that really jumps out at me

Because it is a state Clinton won, a state Carter won in 76 and almost won in 80, a state Humphrey would have won if Wallace had not been taking union votes away from him in 68, a state that has only had one Republican governor in the last six decades, and a state where local politics in many counties are controlled at the Democratic primary level.

You would expect a McCain type to do well here, but the drop off between Clinton and Obama, the fact that she could actually win here (and polls from the fall had her winning here), it says something dramatic. Something really dramatic. That's why the primary has gone on as long as it has, the electoral map that each brings to the table

[Johnny__Motown]

31. Well, when we are down to 14 states in our union I will consider this relevant

[GoesTo11]

32. Picking a few cherries there

1. Lots of other states have the opposite pattern.
2. These are the states where HRC has been successful at raising Obama's negatives, i.e., the kneecapping strategy is having some effect and could lose the GE. Great job HRC.
3. Obama's typical pattern has been to start behind and catch up. He runs a tight campaign, and I believe he has more upside.

[Fox Mulder]

33. Don't people realize yet that polls are meaningless?

[Raine]

35. Too bad for her and her supporters

the majority of people find her untrustworthy.

[jackson_dem]

44. And about the same number thing Obama is not experienced enough to be prez

[PoliticalAmazon]

37. Oh, SurveyUSA. They have consistently had Hillary WAY ahead of Obama...

...and other polling groups have not.

In statistics, that would be considered an "outlier" and outliers are usually discarded.

[oviedodem]

39. Of Course play the "race" side again.

[jackson_dem]

45. Oh. Is it playing "race" to note O does better with blacks? Age to not he does better with youth?

The tactics Obamites use to stifle discussion of the messiah's weaknesses are a joke. Newsflash: they don't change the facts. You can ignore them; you cannot make them vanish.

[GoldieAZ49]

41. Obama is a weak candidate

It really showed last night, he made Dukakis look tough

[The Doctor.]

47. Man, We have FOURTEEN states in the nation now?

Damn... I must have been asleep for the last 230 years!

[1776Forever]

48. Obama still beats McCain in the latest poll from that site!

[kikiek]

49. Yeah giving him the nomination is akin to "let it sink". He won't win.

[Snarkoleptic]

51. Get the net...it's over.

[cornermouse]

52. kick

[tekisui]

53. And that's ALL she's got.

She has lost the PD's, Popular Vote and is trailing in the National Poll.

What is her argument? She is leading in a handful of early polls. Those polls mean nothing this far out, definitely not nearly enough to base a Nomination on.

[jackson_dem]

59. Obama should be leading comfortably as the "new" candidate in a change year...

I am sure the supers remember the leads Carter 76', Dukakis, Kerry, as well as Bush in 00' had early in their election years.

[rodeodance]

54. REC

[rox63]

56. Too bad there's 50 states n/t

[jackson_dem]

58. It is called a representative sample

[Upton]

57. Clinton is in trouble in Wa

From your site:
(4-7)
McCain-45.2%
Clinton-44.2%

Obama-49.3%
McCain-44%

Other polls show the difference even more striking. Our Gov. Christine Gregoire has a tough reelection fight coming up, we need a strong presence at the top of the ticket, one of the reasons Gregoire has endorsed Obama. With Clinton as the nominee we could lose both Wa and Ore.

[jackson_dem]

60. Yes but I would happily trade 18 electoral votes for FL and OH's 47

[madrchsod]

61. obama is running against hillary in california?

H 53, M 40
O 50, H 43

what a minute he beat hillary by 7 pts



but in iowa obama is running against john and so is hillary...and it seems obama wins and hillary loses

O 49, M 42
M 48, H 42

so in iowa what happened...to many african americans? or not enough whites and latinos but hillary did`t have enough of anyone to beat john?

obama beats john in wisconsin