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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:28 PM
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Pittsburgh PA's Reaction to the Debate Last Night
Pssst, they agreed with the black guy. Interesting analysis on the Pittsburgh suburbs as well.


FULL COURT PRESS
Charles Kaiser reports from Pittsburgh on reactions to the latest presidential debate
By Charles Kaiser

Pittsburgh, Thursday, April 16

Forget almost everything you've read about last night's idiotic presidential debate. It's true that George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson engaged in an unseemly competition to see who could humiliate himself the most on national television—but the people like NBC's Chuck Todd who thought Barack Obama's performance was "near disastrous" are just flat wrong.

Here in Pittsburgh, the viewers assembled to watch the debate by the local ABC affiliate were nearly unanimous in their instant analysis: All of the questions asked in the first 45 minutes were a waste of time, and the "journalists" asking them were ridiculous. When Obama said, "This is the kind of manufactured issue our politics have become obsessed with"—flag lapel pins, passing friendships with former Weathermen, or perfectly accurate ruminations about how 25 years of unemployment have embittered some of its victims—most people agreed with Obama.

What's worse? The fact that George Stephanopoulos would go on Sean Hannity's radio show to solicit questions for last night's debate, or the fact that he actually used one of Hannity's questions, asking Obama about his passing friendship with William Ayers, a former Weatherman who once said he wished he had set off more bombs in the 1970s.

"The notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George," Obama shot back. Then he pointed out that he was equally close to conservative senator Tom Coburn, who favors the death penalty for anyone who carries out an abortion. "Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements?" Obama asked. Chuck Todd thought that was a mistake; I thought it was very effective.

Naturally, Hillary tried to distort the issue further by saying, "What did was set bombs, and in some instances people died." That's true—but the only people who died were the three Weathermen who blew themselves up by mistake in a Greenwich Village town house in 1970. (Bonus points if you can remember who initiated the magnificent American flag pin tradition. Answer: that Great American, Richard Milhous Nixon.)

But more important than anything you saw last night was the ringing endorsement Obama received yesterday in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Hillary had visited with the editorial board there Monday—entering the newspaper building through a side door, dashing into her meeting with the board, and leaving just as quickly. Barack arrived Tuesday through the front door. After wowing the board, he wandered into the newsroom and worked the reporters there for 10 minutes; then he dived into the crowd that had gathered outside the paper to make some more converts. Guess who made the better impression?

(continued at the link)

http://radaronline.com/features/2008/04/pittsburgh_debates_george_stephanopoulos_full_court_press_01.php
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:31 PM
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1. DAMN STRAIGHT ! GOOD FOR YOU PITTSBURGH !
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:33 PM
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2. K&R
Oh, Hillary, George, and Chuck. You big sillies.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:43 PM
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16. The two chucks!
:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:47 PM
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19. Oh, I've seen you around here
...causing no end of disturbances. :D :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:04 PM
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34. You're funny..I knew I get a laugh outta this.
:D :hi:
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:34 PM
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3. great
:kick:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 05:59 PM
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49. K for Pittsburgh ~ my grandparents lived on Garfield Hill
and I always spent my summers there.

I loved it ~ come on Pittsburgh!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:36 PM
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4. I seriously doubt if Upper St. Clair, Mt. Lebanon, etc. are gonna go for Obama...
... They're just not "Obama kind of people". I would love to be shown wrong, however.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:39 PM
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8. USC, MTL, etc... are McCain people... they won't vote for Hillary.....

Remember... this is a CLOSED primary.


I guarantee there aren't many Hillbots in USC (10 miles north of me) or MtL (13 miles north of me). Those are blue-blooded Repukes to the core.


To the extent that there are SOME Democrats in those places, they are more likely to be for Obama than Clinton.... since the populace in those areas are well-educated whites (Obama's base....at least the well-educated white DEMOCRATS).

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:41 PM
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10. We'll see.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:49 PM
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20. This just in..
babylonsister
Wiliam Ruckelshaus endorses Obama Thursday.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/17/waterga... /

Watergate-era Republican backs Obama
Posted: 04:40 PM ET
Wiliam Ruckelshaus endorsed Obama Thursday.


<snip>
“Senator Obama’s ability to attract not only Democrats, but also Republicans and Independents, makes him uniquely qualified to build the broad coalitions needed to address our nation’s challenges,” said Ruckelshaus in a statement."

<more>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5552823

I know this might not hold sway for the PA republicans you're talking about but it's something.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:58 PM
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29. Every little bit!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:20 PM
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40. "Saturday Night Massacre"..
we need that kind of justice department again.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:50 PM
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21. In Illinois, we thought the same thing about down-staters.
But we wuz wrong.

Not that that proves anything.

But I think the powers-that-be know he can win, and win big. That may be why they'll be trying so hard to take him down.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:54 PM
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23. Areas the poster was talking about are VERY upper middle class white areas...country club Repukes...
...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:57 PM
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27. Very.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:05 PM
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35. When it comes to money, there's no way of knowing where they'll go.
True conservatives will be appalled by the current admin, but of course most will likely think McCain will be different.

I think I'd have to agree that Obama won't be making great inroads in the area you mention.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:18 PM
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My point is that 80% of them are registered Repukes, and CANT vote in the Dem primary....


Among the remaining 20% that aren't Repukes.... most are well-educated, upper-middle-class whites.


Those aren't Hillary's base.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:36 PM
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42. Well then, the hell with 'em.
:D
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:37 PM
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5. talked to a friend of mine, Bartender in Pittsburgh
and she told me that the people in the bar couldn't stop making fun of Senator Obama.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:38 PM
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7. Were they downing shots of Crown Royal from velvet containers?
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:54 PM
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24. Crown Royal
is actually my favorite whiskey to drink. I keep change in the bags but they are decidedly not velvet.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:40 PM
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9. That's horseshit.... seriously....
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:55 PM
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25. Tell her that
Just repeating what she told me. Of course I laughed when I heard it.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:42 PM
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14. Shut down the polls!
The drunken bar patrons have made their intentions clear! :rofl:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:43 PM
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15. She needs to get
better customers.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:56 PM
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26. She makes a living
People in Pennsy like to drink.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:51 PM
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22. Well, just shut 'er down then.
No need for a vote here. A buncha drunks are voting for Hillary.

:beer:
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:58 PM
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28. No, there is a need for a vote
and judging by what she told me it's not going to be for Senator Obama.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:02 PM
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32. You are basing your opinion on a barkeep taking with a few patrons?
Thanks for that clarification. :thumbsup:

What does she think will be the margin of victory?
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:06 PM
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36. Stop typing so fast and think a little
You won't make as many mistakes. I talked to her. She told me what happened where she worked. For all I know none of the patrons were even registered voters. I was only passing along what I heard from her. MY opinion is that Senator Obama is not ready for prime time and last evening proved it.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:09 PM
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38. I was showing the fallacy/inaccuracy of your assertion.
Maybe you should slow down and read more carefully.

I do apologize for not typing slower.

:P
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:21 PM
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41. My assertion was
that the patrons in the bar my friend is employed by were laughing AT Senator Obama. I was not there so I cannot prove or disprove her statement. I'll take her at her word because she is someone that was working in a bar in Pittsburgh during the debate and she has been truthful to me in the past.

My opinion is that Senator Obama is not ready for the big show. Two different subjects.

My opinion was formulated long before I talked to my friend.

You may not agree with my opinions, I may not agree with yours. And you can choose whether or not you believe what my friend told me. I believe her.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:38 PM
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6. Chuck Todd is in conflict, I think.
He wants to be fair, but he can't be, because sometimes his marching orders/talking points tells him to say something other than what he believes. You can see it by the way he starts sweating a bit when such conflict arises as he tries to finess an answer that doesn't give away too much.

I almost feel sorry for him, but not quite.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:41 PM
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11. Totally agree. It's apparent that he's been ordered to shift his analysis.
It's almost like he's a completely different people.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:41 PM
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12. Every bomb and sniper attack that Hillary and the VRWC toss at Obama gets sent back
in spades. his popularity is going to overcome the slime machine.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:43 PM
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18. Yep.... Hillary keeps tossing grenades straight up...
...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:42 PM
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13. Thanks for this, writes!
Just when I started to think chuck todd knew what he was talking about he comes up with this crap.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:43 PM
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17. k&r Thank you Pittsburgh!
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 08:59 PM
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30. The biggest deal of all here in Pittsburgh is the Steelers For Obama tailgate party
tomorrow at 7pm in the Heinz Field parking lot. Its free and open to the public.

The owner of the Steelers and a bunch of current and former players will be rallying for Obama. Its going to be huge and get tons of airtime all weekend long.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:03 PM
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33. That is going to be HUGE out west.
If you can make it, have a blast!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:18 PM
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39. cool...
Are you going?
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:39 PM
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43. Absolutely. I'll be signing up people for the GOTV campaign we have that starts on Saturday.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:54 PM
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45. Nice!! Thank you!! That also helps come GE time!!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:09 PM
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47. wow...I hope you check in...
and give us the skinny!..I bet you're going to have a blast!:toast: ..and thanks!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:53 PM
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44. Heck yes!!!
Yall have fun!! And hopefully onward to an Obama victory in Pittsburgh!!!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:00 PM
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50. Fantastic ~ so smooth and so cool nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:01 PM
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31. People like Chuck Todd and most of the Media are still caught in the past

They still think Karl Rove type stuff works on people. What they don't get is Democrats never bought that crap in the first place and after 8 years of Bush and Rove, the last thing you want to do is mimic their kind of politics and BS.

Wake the hell up Media! It's 2008 NOT 2004.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:07 PM
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37. WHOOOO HOOOO!! Pittsburgh RAWKS!
I'm only an Obama-leaner, not an Obama-supporter, but it thrills me to no end to know that Pittsburgh saw through that poo-flinging.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 09:58 PM
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46. The vote might be rigged on behalf of Clinton but I think people understand that the voters...
have nothing to do with machine politics. By all accounts I think Obama more than held his own given the shilling for Clinton. How anyone could vote for a woman who uses right wing talking points and tactics when we deplored them from of all people "REPUBLICANS" is beyond me. PA should reject this kind of gotcha politics out of hand.

Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, Wes Clark and ABC? I've lost all sorts of respect for all of them. If they want to be like the Neo-cons then maybe they should become Republicans.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 02:11 AM
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48. K & R Great post
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:02 PM
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51. Very informative.
thanks :hi:
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:37 PM
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52. Big K
:kick:
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