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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:56 PM
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If your black, you have to do more to prove how loyal you are to america.
It was right there on national tv last night, and i still cant believe it.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:57 PM
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1. That is how it is. Sadly, most Americans don't realize this is the case
because they never have to be confronted about it.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:59 PM
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2. So true. The irony is that blacks have done as much or more to prove our patriotism and commitment
to this country than just about any other group.

Amazing. But it's good that this is being smoked out and that people can see the truth about racism in our society. The only way to eradicate it is to address it.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:08 PM
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7. But is it being smoked out?
I mean, I haven't heard anyone outside the "crazy blogosphere" mentioning the double standard in calling out Obama for not wearing a flag lapel pin and NOT Hillary. Did you?
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:13 PM
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10. I havent seen one article out there about it.
Not one. From that im gathering either 1. im seeing something that isnt there. 2. noone wants to touch it 3. noone really cares.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:59 PM
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3. Yeap, we're not "truly" American until the olympics to some people. I'll be glad when they're gone
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:06 PM
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4. uh, not hardly
Race has no business in this campaign. Unfortunately, we've pretty much been wallowing in it the entire time, no one has the courage to say that it has no business in the campaign and as such, it has been utilized by both sides. What faces this country right now is something racially neutral and quite honestly, the questions Obama recieved were racially neutral. Hardball and below the belt, but there was nothing racial about them.



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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:08 PM
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6. Anything coming from Hannity in regards to Obama is racially motivated
IMHO

It may not appear that way on surface, but, trust me, it is there.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:08 AM
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34. Because Hannity is a racist.
to him, Obama=Black=Muslim=Terrorist. He's an idiot.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:28 AM
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73. Exactly n/t
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:09 PM
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77. Have to agree!
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:10 PM
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9. Why on earth is obama asked why he doesnt wear a flag pin?
why isnt hillary? Because she doesnt have to prove her complete loyalty, but he does. Its just so fucked up.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:17 PM
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14. Because he questioned the motives and the patriotism of people who wear the pin.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:22 PM
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17. So because obama said wearing this pin is not proof of patriotism....
He is asked , again. why? The only reasonable response for obama last night for me would have been something along the lines of " Did i fucking stutter the first time?"
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:41 PM
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20. Clinton was politically smart enough
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 11:42 PM by terrell9584
to try and avoid anything that could be used against her for this basis of attack. After she was told in 1981 that her keeping the name Rodham and her hairdo helped contribute to Bill's loss in 1980 she dyed her hair blond, gave it a society hairstyle and became Clinton. Keeping an eye on every little thing is something she has done since her days in Arkansas.

It shows authenticity on Obama's part that he didn't abandon Wright's church, but it also shows a lack of political sense. Namely, that people in the rest of the country might have a problem with it. And I don't want to hear about how Wright is just emblematic of "black preaching". Martin Luther King was a black preacher and you never had him uttering the kind of comments that Wright did. Wright preached anger. We have a black preacher on our city council, he has been there for a long time. I can assure you that he has never given a Jeremiah Wright type of sermon. If he had, he'd be off the council because he has enemies and in our city, one thing we do not tolerate is the stirring of the racial pot. If you talk about race in the wrong way, you are put on a political blacklist. And this applies to associations to. When our mayor (the first black one) gave a key to the city to Sharpton, someone immediately realized who Sharpton was and the Mayor came under immediate criticism. His response "All I knew was he had run for President and he was a reverend"

And I can believe that, because most people without ties to New York don't know about his more controversial activities in New York. So, it was accepted. Keep in mind, our Mayor pretty much sealed his election when his white opponent played the race card in the election (city is majority white). To the powers that be, that was an unacceptable appeal to racial division, and thats when key players who had been out on the stage came out against him.

It is because of the no tolerance policy we have on explicitly discussing race in any manner that has allowed our city to have a level of racial cooperation that is unheard of in other parts of the country. We have no prominent black clergy here that would ever give a Wright sermon because if they did, someone would find out about it, and it would become a local issue and the black establishment would work to suck the life out of that church. And white churches never discuss anything racial, because once again, if they did, it becomes local news and then that church pretty much becomes killed off.

It's the way we do it here and it's why we keep the peace. It's why our first black mayor enjoys a majority approval rating among whites, and it's why our black mayor has for his closest council ally, a man who voted to keep the battle flag on all city police cars. It is the kind of cooperation that spared our area the violence of the Civil Rights era, and that has spared us the racial violence and animosity that exists in other cities in the region. It's an example that the nation could learn from.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:52 PM
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24. Between hypocrisy or authenticity....
I'll take the latter.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:53 PM
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25. Maybe Clinton was just White enough.
Ever thought about that?
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:24 AM
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46. and Georgia's current attorney general
Is a black Democrat, not only a black Democrat, but a black Democrat who led the Democratic ticket in 2006. It was the third time he was elected Attorney General, as he also won election in 2002 and 1998. It says something truly remarkable that the longest serving Georgia AG in recent memory is a black man and he did it as a Democrat.

Race is an argument people use when they want to go into the gutter. Race has no business in the campaign because race is not really germane to the war, or economic problems or anything else. Playing the racial card is what produces the Eddie Jordans, David Dukes, Louis Farrakhans and William Pierces of the world. It serves no one and only serves to distract us from what could be the worst economic period for the country since the Depression.

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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:53 AM
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53. america black and white
ache for this resolution
the original sin america was born in is being rectified and all americans are finally coming into their own
now we must all be strong enough to do the heavy lifting
grab a corner
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 04:05 AM
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58. Sorry to burst your bubble
Conventional wisdom and an education system that favors the majority has painted Martin Luther King Jr. as a warm fuzzy individual, but he was grounded in the reality of the time he was living.


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A riot is the language of the unheard. Address given in Birmingham, Alabama (1963-12-31)

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We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. Letter from a Birmingham Jail (1963)

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I have consistently preached that nonviolence demands that the means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek. I have tried to make clear that it is wrong to use immoral means to attain moral ends. But now I must affirm that it is just as wrong, or perhaps even more so, to use moral means to preserve immoral ends. Letter from a Birmingham Jail (1963)



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We’ve been in the mountain of war. We’ve been in the mountain of violence. We’ve been in the mountain of hatred long enough. It is necessary to move on now, but only by moving out of this mountain can we move to the promised land of justice and brotherhood and the Kingdom of God. It all boils down to the fact that we must never allow ourselves to become satisfied with unattained goals. We must always maintain a kind of divine discontent. Keep Moving From This Mountain (1965)



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Five years ago he <John F. Kennedy> said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken -- the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investment.

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A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say: "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hands on the world order and say of war: "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of people normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.

America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing, except a tragic death wish, to prevent us from reordering our priorities, so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war.There is nothing to keep us from molding a recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have fashioned it into a brotherhood. Beyond Vietnam (4\4\1967)


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Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism.

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And when I speak of love I'm not speaking of some sentimental and weak response. I am speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality. This Hindu-Muslim-Christian-Jewish-Buddhist belief about ultimate reality is beautifully summed up in the first epistle of John: "Let us love one another, for God is love. And every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us and his love is perfected in us."

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God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God."
Sermon at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967


Of course, Martin Luther King had an opinion about not speaking out about things that matter. "Now, I've chosen to preach about the war in Vietnam because I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in a period of moral crisis maintain their neutrality. There comes a time when silence becomes betrayal."


And don't think for a second that there wasn't a racial component to his speaking out:

We were taking the black young men who had been crippled by society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem. So we have been repeatedly faced with a cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same school room. So we watch them in brutal solidarity, burning the huts of a poor village. But we realize that they would hardly live on the same block in Chicago or Atlanta. Now, I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor. "Why I Am Opposed to the War in Vietnam" Sermon at the Ebenezer Baptist Church on April 30, 1967




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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:14 PM
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86. Thank you!
I was looking to include excerpts but it's almost time for me to leave work and I didn't have time to look

Regards
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:44 AM
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60. Thanks for your post.
I agree that Obama has a tin political ear, at least some of the time. He also botched the answers to the questions that he doesn't like being asked, and came off poorly. Thank heavens he has a good campaign manager and followers who think that they are the new apostles to shout about the unfairness of the questions that Obama's answers to the questions are not part of the show.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:12 PM
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84. Actually, our country's memories of MLK
is more than a bit skewed.

This country seems only to remember "I have a dream" and nothing else. MLK fought against poverty and spoke out against the Vietnam war. When he spoke up against the Vietnam war people actually turned against him. MLK was a lot more radical than most people give him credit for. No you didn't hear that

That notwithstanding, I would not consider it a sign of progress to have a black mayor who has as his closest ally a man who voted to keep the battle flag on the city police cars. That battle flag is blatantly racist and is an affront to anyone who is not sympathetic to racist causes. In addition, this so called peace seems to predicated on black people keeping their disgust with racism to themselves while white people pretend that it doesn't exist. I wouldn't call that healthy at all and it certainly isn't something I want to see replicated on a national level. We've been suppressing serious discussions of race for far too long in this country.

Regards
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:07 AM
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33. He does not know how to put an issue to bed
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 12:08 AM by 2rth2pwr
The standard political reply to that question might well have been,
"My patriotism speaks for itself."


But Obama didn't say that.

Instead the Illinois senator answered the question at length, explaining that he no longer wears such a pin, at least in part, because of the Iraq War.

"You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.

"Instead," he said, "I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism."

eta linky thing- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3690000
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:17 AM
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43. There is no issue to put to bed...
The idea that obama is any less patriotic than any other american is ridiculous. The fact that he has to explain why he doesnt wear a pin on his jacket again and again is insulting. There is no way this is a story if any white politician stops wearing this pin. If that reporter asked a white politician why no pin, and that white politician answered "none of your damn buisness", it still aint a story. Yet in the debate, its takes precedence over the iraq war, and the economic downturn. Thats fucked up.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:25 AM
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47. That's how he should have answered the first time, end of story.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:31 AM
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48. There was no right way to answer.
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 12:31 AM by george_maniakes
The only wrong way to answer would be to say something like "God damn america!" in response to that question. The fact he had to answer this question the first time could be chalked up to anything (reporter is bored out of his mind). The fact he had to answer again and again is just fucked up.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:11 AM
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37. No he didn't.
He said wearing a pin isn't proof of patriotism, basically confirming that he is in fact, not a fucking moron - which is sort of what you have to be to equate being unpatriotic with not wearing some cheap piece of crap on your suit.


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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:07 PM
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5. I believe it, I live it everyday
:kick:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:10 PM
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8. Would they ever ask a white person how patriotic they are?..nt
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:24 PM
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18. Actually Bill Clinton received a lot of questioning about his patriotism
when he first ran in 1992.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:13 PM
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11. this sounds exactly what barry said when he used the race card
back in early 07 in New Hampshire. “minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” That is a laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process. For him to claim that the barriers are higher, that the bar is higher for him to succeed, is nonsense. It is crass racialism. Obama is a product of the very “24-hour…small-minded politics” that he decries. “Barry” Obama? Makes a great speech. Absent the cablemeisters, Obama would be an obscure state senator in Springfield. He is the ultimate product of shrewd marketing and a pliable public, not the opposite.

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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:15 PM
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12. You don't know jack. nt
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:17 PM
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A Jew like you stealing Barack's identity by giving him a "Whiter" name. That is shameful.
I could not possibly be more disgusted and repulsed.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:51 PM
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23. Well, if I use the other name for him I would be barred.....
Maybe I should just call him Barrack Hussein Obama. No one could fault one for that, right?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:54 PM
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26. I am referring to "Barack". That is how he calls himself.
Do you know the story of Muhammed Ali and Ernie Terell?

"On February 6, 1967, Ali returned to a Houston boxing ring to fight Terrell in what became one of the uglier fights in boxing. Terrell had angered Ali by calling him Clay, and the champion vowed to punish him for this insult. During the fight, Ali kept shouting at his opponent, "What's my name, Uncle Tom ... What's my name?" Terrell suffered 15 rounds of brutal punishment, losing 13 rounds on two judges' scorecards, but Ali did not knock him out. Analysts, including several who spoke to ESPN on the sports channel's "Ali Rap" special, speculated that the fight continued only because Ali wanted to thoroughly punish and humiliate Terrell. After the fight, Tex Maule wrote, "It was a wonderful demonstration of boxing skill and a barbarous display of cruelty."
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. bill cunningham, is that you?/t
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JasonHill Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:55 PM
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30. or you could call him Barack
and try to be civil when discussing things rather than trying to bait people with propaganda because of your need to project your hatred on others.
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:55 PM
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29. there is no such thing as a black name or a white name
Barack is a Hebrew name. His middle name is Arabic in origin and his last name is a Kenyan African surname. And his nickname in college was Barry, and this whole argument is dumb. More important things to worry about whether a name is "white" or "black". I don't believe that there is such a thing as a racial name. There are names that may predominate in certain groups, but a name itself has no identity, it is just an expression of language.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:13 AM
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39. Barack is NOT a Hebrew name. Baruch is a Hebrew name.
He calls himself Barack and yes, there are Whiter names and Blacker names. WTF is wrong with that?
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:31 AM
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49. As I recall
He was speaking to a Jewish group and was talking about how his name was Hebrew for something or other. I'm taking his word on this one.

And I stand by my statement that there is no such thing as a racial name. To say that there is to play into stereotypes and play into what divides us. What we should be working on is solving problems and not on what divides us. Talking about what race a name is falls under the category of "collosal waste of time" when considering what the country is facing. A name should be a non-issue. Remember that.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:40 AM
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50. The postercalled the man "Barry". It's a way of taking away his culture and should be obhected to.
As to the Hebrewness of the name, trust me.

Barack and Baruch are from the same cognate, but Barack is East African origin. Baruch is Hebrew.
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terrell9584 Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:55 AM
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54. Wasn't it his father name
I'm under the impression that he is either a junior or a III.

At any rate, I have to ask, a taking away of which culture? And how is this different from any other name based tactic I've heard in my whole life. They called Bush's father Shrub. They called Clinton "Slick Willy", we call this Bush Shrub, I've seen people call Hillary "Slick Hilly", Gov. Edwards was once referred to as "Fast Eddie", even though he went by Edwin, and you could go on ad infinitum.

It's not something worth arguing about, and I'm only saying this to prove a point. It is not an off limits area of political attack, but it will obviously only be used in a negative context, just like the other examples I mentioned and people will know that. And so, a message will be immediately conveyed when it is used, but I seriously doubt if it is a racial thing.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:54 PM
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81. What we should be working on is solving problems and not on what divides us.
Straight up.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:17 PM
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13. It enrages me!
It really does.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:56 AM
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55. channel the anger positively
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:17 PM
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15. So true
Edited on Thu Apr-17-08 11:19 PM by TragedyandHope
No matter what anyone says about how much progress we've made, there's still an invisible barrier. It's not glass, it's more like an invisible rubber barrier stretched across a doorway. You can push on it, but there's resistance. If you push really hard, you can stretch it thinner, but the closer you come to breaking through, the stronger and more taut the barrier becomes, until it threatens to forcefully snap you back out. If you're on the wrong side of it, you feel it every day.

Unfortunately, it's going to be much worse in the general election.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:18 PM
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16. It is truly a sad state of affairs when race or gender still becomes
an "issue" to some people.

Blacks have fought for this nation since the Revolution, (and before we were a nation). Women have been on the front lines of every war we've ever had. I have to say, not in the numbers that others have been there, but they have shown great courage in the face of the enemies of our nation, and have shown greater courage facing up to the enemies within our nation.

No one should ever be judged on the color of their skin, nor their gender, nor their religious preference; the only valid 'judgment call" is the character of the individual...and the vast majority of Americans are good character.

To take it a step further, the vast majority of humans are of good character...the leadership in some instances is questionable however.

I've seen advances, but we truly need to get over some of these latent issues. Bigotry in any form must be confronted, it exists because good people, quite often, do not stand up to the evil that bigots bring into this world.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:32 PM
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19. This election has been a very sad eye-opener
I still can't get over it either. I can't even share what I'm feeling inside because it's not something I want any White racists to read.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:54 PM
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27. I know what you mean, but I still think its the petty minority
who still just barely manage to seem like they are "the norm". Sadness and anger both have good uses; Gandhi set them to work for good at one time. I think the vast majority of Barack's generation and all those younger are more than ready for an end to the type of hatred we have seen.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:56 PM
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31. I think so too. That's why all my money's literally on the future. Thanks n/t
:hi:
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:48 PM
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22. Olbermann served it up just right on MSNBC tonight. They were gunning for Obama.
The Clinton's bought the services of ABC.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:00 AM
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32. Standard Americanism. It's funny watching white folks deny it though.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:10 AM
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36. White privilege along with institutionalized racism is why no one comments on it.....
it's kinda of OK to do. Almost 2nd nature.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:16 AM
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41. They know they're not fooling anybody. It's just a dogwhistle white unity call...
... along with the between-the-lines "neenerneenerneener! You can make us stop!".
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:10 PM
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78. absolutely correct.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 01:05 AM
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56. howdy
im a 52 year old 1/2 white 1/2 cherokee in florida
i have been an obama supporter since i heard him speak and the america he talks about is the one ive been waiting for
speaking from my white side
this is something whose time has come
america is finally ready
when the screw propeller was invented it was patented in europe and the us on almost the same day
different inventors same idea
same with steam power
gas engines
during history times change and all of a sudden its screw propeller time
the world shifts
the world is shifting now and its for all our good

i watched a town hall in NC today on TV where the candidate was cheered by a completly average crowd
and every time he talked about defeating the old way of politics the crowd went wild
he is gonna do it
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 01:09 AM
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57. Now's a good time for a shift. :)
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:09 AM
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35. Aint that the truth. "'Cos you might be a muzlum, boy" :(
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:13 AM
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38. You have to be as white as the white presidents of the past aparently..
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 12:13 AM by malik flavors
No million man marches
no black churches
no angry black friends
no fiery black preachers

You have to be completely watered down to be acceptable.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:21 AM
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44. yeah---its the man thing that is hurting hillary to some degree
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:22 AM
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45. I otherwords, you can't be Black.......at all.....not even a little bit
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:35 AM
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59. Black people have to "transcend race" in order to be acceptable
Funny, you never, ever hear any discussion about the need for white politicians to "transcend" THEIR race.

That's because being white is seen as the norm and, thus, it is nothing to transcend. On the other hand, being black is something that deviates from the norm and in order to be accepted, blacks must move as far away from (i.e., "transcend") their race and move as close as possible to being white.

It's a fascinating phenomenon - and even more fascinating is how both transparent and oblivious so many people are about it.
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:52 AM
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64. Yep. You nailed it.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:11 PM
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79. CAREFUL!!! you're getting close to the truth...
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:14 AM
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40. Well, they sure didn't ask any of the three other non-flag-pin-wearing white people about patriotism
last night, so I'm inclined to agree with you.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:17 AM
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42. Damn right. It was only too obvious. nt
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:46 AM
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51. No, if you're a 'Democrat' you have to prove how loyal you are
Nevermind that any Democrat cares more about this country than the repukes.
:patriot:

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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:50 AM
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52. So true
As a black person I can believe it. I honestly believe that some white people are afraid that Obama has some hidden agenda that with the success of the first black president, black folks are going to rise up and start some kind of "black revolution." You also got people out there who still believe Obama is a undercover Muslim. It is all sad and frustrating as if being Muslim is some kind of crime. Nothing scarier to some white people than a black Muslim. This country took two steps back after 9/11 with the rampant Muslim hate.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:45 AM
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61. that's crap
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:15 AM
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62. true
k/r
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:21 AM
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:14 AM
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70. and you have smeared Obama on your second DU post ever?
None of this sounds like Jeremiah Wright at all, by the way.

Silly clip job you posted there, and what's there ain't much.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:30 AM
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:18 AM
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72. those excerpts are meaningless.
That is the real problem with them.

By the way, I am a Clinton supporter. I just hate smears when I see them.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:54 AM
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65. Do you mean your or you're?
:shrug:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:54 AM
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66. Yep. You have to pass the "Farrakhan Test." n/t
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:55 AM
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67. Apparently so
Well that's because African Americans have been the power elite for so long. :eyes:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:02 AM
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68. The masters didn't trust their slaves, either.
Bowing and scraping could get you, at most, a job in the big house. The rulers kept the slaves in line with armed overseers and chains, and made it a crime for them to learn to read. The oppressors may have learned some respect in recent decades, but trust cannot flower while there are still deep class divisions separating the races. The rich cannot trust anyone poorer then they, and the rich still rule America. The white rich.

Want more trust? Let's blur those class divisions.
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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 10:04 AM
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74. I wonder if thats why hillary is still staying in this thing...
she thinks too many americans havent been sold on obamas loyalty to america. Of course, the fact that shes only to happy to question his patriotism herself, and the fact that obama has to prove his loyalty in the first place is fucked.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:06 AM
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69. There is some truth to this. I have heard conversations here in florida and georgia
where white folks say that they don't think blacks like America because of what happened during slavery and Jim Crow. In fact these same people also say that they DON'T blame them b/c if it happened to them they would have the same thought.

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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:56 AM
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75. I think it has more to do with his percieved "muslim-ness"
then with his race.

but I do agree with your basic premise.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:08 PM
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76. As to the original comment in this thread...
yes, it is true that Blacks need to meet a higher standard in almost every part of their public life. Many of us have worked and will continue working so that is no longer necessary.

Women also have had to meet higher standards in every part of their public life.

Both Hillary and Barak have been forced to meet higher standards.

Black women probably suffer more under and have suffered more than Black males or white women.

Much of the slime and slurs directed at Hillary on this forum board are more because she is an uppity woman than just because she is a Clinton.

As I've stated before, many of us have been working and will continue to work to change these antiquated roadblocks to equal treatment.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:02 PM
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82. wrong place... sorry...
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 07:04 PM by ClassWarrior
NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:04 PM
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83. But why is anyone "perceived Muslim?"
Usually because of appearance -- like that has anything to do with one's faith.

NGU.


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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 12:17 PM
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80. Gotta say that's par for the course
I'm AA, and was raised by a 'southern-exodus-to-the-north' generation that always reminded me that I'd have to outperform my classmates by 2x to be esteemed equally.

Also: 'always be 2x more cheerful, and not appear angry or sullen, you'll frighten people.'

Fortunately for me I was able to overachieve, (and I am naturally cheerful).

Barack has to deal with that dynamic, amplified 1,000,000,000,000 times.

Read some of the Israeli-lobby blogs, etc...
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:13 PM
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85. Apparently.
:-(

Disgraceful.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:19 PM
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87. It was b/c he is the front runner
and the media created this unloyalty to American by Obama b/c of some of the things he did in the past. Wasn't b/c he was black.
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