In the end Hillary will have only ruined one thing, Her Future.

[peoli]

First off, she will lose and has already lost.
Second, Obama will be the next Pres.
Third, Obama will NOT pick her as VP.

These are facts of life. They cannot be disputed.

That leaves Hillary back in New York with nothing but a ruined reputation. She will have left a bitter taste in the mouths of the leaders of the Democratic Party and she will become an afterthought in American politics. I think when she started this race there were many people who were just neutral towards her. Now, however, half of Democrats think shes dishonest and dont trust her. How do you think she would be able to run in 2012 or 2016? Shell be as old as McCain by then. I think she knows deep down this is her ONLY chance at being Pres for the rest of her life. Thats the only explanation for why shes run a campaign of shit and fuckall. If she does try to run again God help us all. People dont forget these things. She will be reminded again that she is a politician of the past and her time is near an end.


There are new politicians arising in this country. A new day is dawning.

[Johnny__Motown]

1. Bill's Legacy? (and his political clout?)

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Now , that was of no merit whatsoever.

[aquarius dawning]

3. I'llbet she gets re-elected easily enough if the Presidential race doesn't pan out.

[peoli]

4. we will see. depends on what she continues to do.

[aquarius dawning]

7. New Yorkers picked her to be their senator and their President.

Somehow, I doubt they'll reject her for not quitting.

[Arrowhead2k1]

12. Just out of curiousity.

I wonder what her approval ratings in New York are right now compared to where they were before.

[mamalone]

23. New Yawkah here!

and you can believe I will be actively searching for another Dem to support for senator in place of her.... and I am a 51yo white woman, supposedly her base! My parents have been lifelong Dems and are politically very active in their part of NY and they are thoroughly disgusted with her as well. When I was last at their house I commented that I "just wanted her to go away" meaning drop out of the primary race and my dad said her "never wanted to see her ever again"... going so far as to state that he feels she no longer has a place in American politics. I was just speechless. For years, my mother has had a picture of her with Hilary at some kind of meet-and-greet thing on her study wall... she took it down last month. I do not know one single Hillary supporter in real life... not *one*

It's not the "not quitting" we all mind.. it's all the crap she's dished out along the way.

[Stephanie]

11. Don't be so sure, Tasini, with no name recogntion and $240,000 to her $45M, got 20% of the vote

A candidate like Bobby Kennedy Jr. could walk away with it. I think John Hall would be great. We have many choices. NY deserves a candidate who represents our views. When she voted for the IWR she betrayed a big segment of her constituency. Now everyone else knows why we were so angry.

[melody]

5. Well said n/t

[cliffordu]

6. Yeah, who knows, maybe they'll let her chair the cookie committee

[Stephanie]

8. She led the local NY State pols like lemmings over a cliff

Between Spitzer, and Hillary to whom they nearly unanimously pledged their unquestioning allegiance, many of them are fucked. Case in point, Christine Quinn, who hoped to be Mayor or possibly Senator on Hillary's coattails, is now a candidate for indictment due to shady City Council slush funds.

[Arrowhead2k1]

9. It's sad, but true.

She blew this opportunity BIG TIME. She could have salvaged her career even if she lost by simply acting gracefully. She chose to get down and into the mud in her most desperate hours. Now, she has stained her pantsuits forever.

[SwampG8r]

13. stained her pantsuit lol

[TML]

10. If Obama wins

Then Hillary will be 72 years old when she gets a second chance to run for President in 2016. That is why her flunkies are so desperate to smear Barack Obama.

[TML]

21. Whoops!

I meant 68, but what's the difference. If she doesn't win now, her time will pass by 2016.

[BlooInBloo]

14. She's gonna have funding trouble, I read somewhere....

... Will look it up if it's important to anyone.

[dkf]

20. She moved her Senate funds to this Presidential campaign.

I wonder if she has anything left in it.

And I highly doubt anyone will invest in her campaign on the grounds that she will win the Presidency in the future. Prior to this, contributing to her Senate campaign was an investment in her Presidential run.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. It's possible for her to transcend this defeat.

But it will take a fundamental change. Just as Gore and Edwards did before her, she could repudiate the DLC, recognize the power of the polity over Wall Street, and finish out this term as a real progressive senator.

But it will not be easy to convince us that she's not lying about it.

[Arrowhead2k1]

18. Neither Gore nor Edwards managed to alienate the Liberal base of the party.

It's hard for me to see Hillary getting them back anytime soon.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. If they had clung to the DLC, they would have.

That's why cutting ties with the DLC is the key - anybody can make mistakes, choose the wrong alliances. It's those who persist in clinging to those alliances that are irredemable.

[StevieM]

16. Let's correct your inaccurate statements

First off, she hasn't already lost. If she had then the SDs would have rushed to Obama and we would know that it was over. If it was really over then you wouldn't be so nasty.

Second, we don't know the results of the November election.

Third, I doubt Hillary will want to be Obama's VP, not that we know what he will or won't offer her.

Her reputation isn't as ruined as you might like it to be. And time heals most wounds with most people. I don't see her losing in NY in either a primary or a general election.

And Obama has got some serious hurdles to overcome and he's going to need all the help he can get. He's going to have to campaign with her, and Hillary will never let him do it on the condescending terms that you would love ("we want to give her a chance to redeem herself"). He is going to have to acknowledge that he was unfair to her at times and that she is not who he portrayed her to be (to put it most mildly). Otherwise, it does neither of them any good to have him campaigning with someone he has labeled a race-baiter. And I suspect he will need reconciliation more then you would like to admit.

As for the Dem leaders in Washington, I don't think they appreciate some of the things Obama has done. And Hillary is well liked by most of her colleagues is the Senate.

Steve

[Arrowhead2k1]

17. "she hasn't already lost"

I stopped reading there.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. That should be Governor Clinton - and I'm fine w/that n/t

[paulk]

24. since you pick your "facts" apparently out of thin air

I think it's safe to disregard the conclusions you draw from them....

[City Lights]

25. Regardless of how it plays out, she brought it on herself.

:nopity: