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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 10:59 PM
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Lieberman or Bush?
Hannity loves them both.

Savage loves them both.

Lieberman has no platform - other than ripping Dean or Clark.

I honestly think I would sit that one out. I think my ABB has a limit and I think it is Lieberman.

A fellow DU'er said last night that in the spirit of ABB she would need a fifth of vodka and would have to hold her nose to vote for Lieberman.

Call me old fashioned, but I want to actually support the person I vote for. I vote every election (sorry Gray...I tried) but there is nothing about Lieberman I find appealing. In my opinion, he is the second coming of Zell Miller.

If somebody can think of something positive, by all means let me know what it is.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:01 PM
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1. I'd vote for Lieberman
At least he won't be appointing Scalia clones to the SCOTUS. That counts a lot for me.

MzPip
:dem:
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:03 PM
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2. I'd vote Green.
Lieberman is way past my ABB threshold as well.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:28 PM
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13. I'd vote Green too
because I would be sick.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:07 PM
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3. Lieberman, easily.
If you have trouble voting for Lieberman, do what I do:

__ George W Bush
__ Joe Lieberman

becomes

__ John Paul Stephens
__ Antonin Scalia

Problem solved!
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:10 PM
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4. I would vote for Lieberman
At the very least, I think he can turnaround the economy.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:11 PM
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5. I'd write in either Dean/Kucinich/Clark.
No way my vote goes to Lieberman, but then how much does my one vote matter. Now, the hundreds of dollars I will withhold in donations in protest, that's another matter.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:11 PM
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6. I doubt seriously if there is a Democrat out there who does not have
a limit to how far they are willing to go for ABB.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:16 PM
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7. If he could beat bush,
I not only would vote for him... I would convert if that is what it took... to reform Judaism anyway. He can't be worse than the neo-cons.

However, since he cost Al Gore the election in 2000, not much chance of that.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:18 PM
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9. Well, that's a first..
never seen anyone blame him for 2000 before.
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slackdude Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:26 PM
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12. He lost my vote in 2000
Lieberman being on the ticket was the final straw for me. I wouldn't put the blame solely on him, but he certainly contributed to the defeat.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:00 AM
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16. Doubt it, but say it again I will.
I was born and raised in cracker country. I live (and have lived for years) in a place that is a strange mix of resident crackers and weekender "tourists". (I had a neighbor who used to invite me to KKK gatherings --- and, no, I didn't go --- but neither did I call the FIB.) I also used to be a repug (God please forgive me). All of these things (and more) give me some insight into the mind of the "cracker" vote.

It hurts me to say these words --- but there are many people who might otherwise vote Democrat (gun-loving Democrat anyway) who would never vote to put a (an unconverted) Jew one heartbeat away from the presidency.

Sad but true. Like the Porter Wagoner song: "Cold Hard Facts of Life", (which I am playing in your honor --- although only the title and a single line are relevant), it's just the way people are.

"Who taught who the cold, hard facts of life."

H-ll, I don't know --- but we better learn them, if we are to defeat these evil men.

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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:22 AM
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17. A-ha..you're probably right..
that could have cost Gore some votes.

I thought you were blaming his personality or policies.

Forgot about the anti-Semitism factor.

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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:44 AM
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23. Cost him Tennessee.
.... For starters.... I mean losing your home state!

And yes I blame his policies, like forgetting and foregoing the "cracker" vote (it ain't only the south) and distancing himself from Clinton.

Personally, I liked Al a lot (I'd vote for him again), but losing to shrub is unforgivable. His political judgment is beyond suspect. (Endorsing Dean promises disaster --- Sorry Al, but it needs said.)

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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:52 AM
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25. Agreed, I think..
distancing from Clinton was the biggest contributing factor to him losing.

Someone will probably chime in soon saying "He won, remember?"..yes, yes I haven't forgotten, but Al Gore's campaign strategy is still regrettable.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:42 AM
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22. I blame him
Or more accurately, I blame his selection as a big reason why Gore lost. I think that Joe lost more votes for Al Gore than he gained, and his debate performance and his attitude during the recounts were deplorable.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:17 PM
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8. Probably Lieberman.
But I might consider staying home election day if he is the nominee and join the cynics that say there is no difference and they both suck. Lieberman had no class in dealing with the Gore endorsement of Dean, or Dean's "America is no safer with Saddam in custody" remark.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:19 PM
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10. If I only had a choice between Lieberman & Bush
I would vote Bush.

Better the man who you says he will fuck you, then does, than the man who pretends he won't, then fucks you anyways.

Thankfully I will never face that choice, since I will write-in or vote Green.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:12 AM
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26. I'm inclined to agree with you
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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:20 PM
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11. On the basis of his being a Freedom Rider only, Lieberman
If Lieberman did not have that on his resume, I could not drag my ass cursing to the polls to vomit my ballot into the box for him.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:33 AM
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20. One lousy summer as a freedom rider trumps Lieberman's warmongering?
I don't think so!
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:46 PM
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14. Lieberman in a heartbeat
He ain't even CLOSE to Zell Miller and he's a fucking Ghandi compared to Bush.
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Alice Franken Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 09:32 AM
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33. I think, with all due respect, you need to
read the messages above blaming Lieberman for Bush' selection and especially the ones relating to anti-Semitism. Take a trip to I/P and see other dems who despise Jews as well...sad, but true.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 11:56 AM
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34. Really?
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:47 PM
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15. Clark supporters
should not be complaining about the party affiliation of others.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:30 AM
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18. Lieberman all the way
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;

a glorious but futile effort - but i'd be there
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:32 AM
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19. Canada!
That's the sort of electoral choice that would wreck any chances of the Democratic party winning the election.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:39 AM
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21. If Lieberman actually won the primary
Then I would know that the system is rigged, and that there would be no point in voting.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 12:49 AM
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24. Neither
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 01:19 AM
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27. I would vote Lieberman.
I see where people are coming from but politics is very often the art of compromising. I've got no great beef with Lieberman other than Iraq.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:42 AM
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29. I'd Vote Lieberman, Absentee
I wouldn't want to :puke: in the polling place.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 05:26 AM
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30. lol..
I just had a vision of someone "worshiping the porcelain god" with ballot in hand. ;)
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 04:33 AM
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28. Lieberman
I will ALWAYS vote for the Democrat that gets the nomination, no matter who it is.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 08:30 AM
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31. I would hold my nose and vote for Lieberman.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 08:39 AM
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32. Liebermann
No hesitation whatsoever. There is a great difference between him and Bush.

Nevertheless, I tire of these scenarios. There is no chance of a Liebermann nomination for manifold reasons. One of these is the fact that a major 3rd party challenge, however ill-advised, would almost certainly emerge if Joe was nominated. Joe has shot himself in the foot with his rhetoric.
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