Hey Barry

[emilyg]

I hear you've gone and mailed out another pack of lies about Hillary's trade record and NAFTA.

Huffington Post


he mailer cites a Newsday article from September 2006 concerning Clinton's perceived support for NAFTA. Aspects of that article, however, were retracted because it included the since-discredited line that the Senator said the trade agreement was a "boon." The Obama mailer didn't include the "boon" quote, but even Newsday offered that the use of their piece in a political context could be misleading.

In addition, the mailer criticizes Clinton for supporting permanent normal trade relations with China, citing a 2000 quote she made to CNN: "But on balance, I've looked at this, I've studied it. I think it is in the interests of America and American workers that we provide the option for China to go into the WTO."

Obama, however, has a similar quote from the Illinois Farm Bureau, albeit one with greater caveats and stipulations. "So I think it is important for us to negotiate our trade agreements recognizing that the global economy
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/17/212321/172

[YOY]

1. Hey Emily

It's over.

[Maddy McCall]

4. If you believed that....

you'd have no need to post in GDP. Right?

[YOY]

6. Just trying to help.

and it truly is over.

[MADem]

12. Help? Yeah, sure.

Put down your flamethrower, then--that might help.

For someone so self-assured that your candidate has it in the bag, you wasted no time firing up your torch and hustling over here.

[YOY]

15. Yup. That's a real flamethrower

Pointing out the obvious...without personal insult nor hatred even.

Truly volatile.

:eyes:

Dude/dudette, it's over.

[MADem]

22. You're over....nt

[YOY]

27. Huh?

What's with the pseudowitty 5th grade insults? I'm not insulting you. I'm stating the obvious.

[juajen]

88. Hey, this hobbit says it's not over until the gorgeous lady says so.

You're dreamin' and we aren't buying. For someone who has it in the bag, I've never seen such a fuss over one little debate from his supporters and obama himself. Remarkable!

[YOY]

95. No really.

It's imposssible unless the supers go against the will of the party majority. Uless of couse the nastiness and anti-Obama smears actually stick.

That's not going to happen. It's over.

[YOY]

83. How did I flame?

I just reacted to a hit job.

If only you reacted to hitjobs in the same manner as "flames" then you might seriously see what I'm puzzled about.

Or maybe you don't think I react to similar hitjobs on Hillary from Obamites?

[Seabiscuit]

23. I think I finally get it.

You're the "fat lady".

And you've just sung.

[YOY]

26. Whatever makes you feel better

Insults don't change the situation.

[Seabiscuit]

50. Reality changes the situation: it's NOT over. Like it or not, it's not over until

the fat lady sings.

You are familiar with that expression, aren't you? It's a reference to opera.

[YOY]

53. Yes, and being used to insult me as well

Please don't try and sound clever at childish insults. It needs to stop.

[Seabiscuit]

54. You don't think posting "it's over" is an insult to anyone but an Obamanoid?

Weird set of backwards-walking hypocritical values you've got there, son.

And speaking of hypocrisy, you just claimed you understand about the "fat lady" phrase. Yet below you posted: "I really don't understand your personal insults. I'm a man and not really overweight."

[csorman]

61. And calling supporters "Obamanoid" is NOT insulting?

I'm aware of both camps using insulting names towards both candidates, all equally ugly. You are playing into this.

[Seabiscuit]

62. Tit for tat, my son, tit for tat. Mr. "fat lady" started it all.

And "Obamanoid" is a very apt and descriptive word for the kind of behavior exhibited by all the Obama "fat ladies" on GD--P

[YOY]

72. There was no "tat" for your "tit"...and furthermore it had no wit.

and you should be ashamed of yourself as a Edwards supporter for such juvenile sh*t.

[ClericJohnPreston]

91. I'll enter here....thank you

But a declarative comment, which doesn't answer ANY aspect of the OP, which demonstartes sheer partisanship and NO REASON, deserves to be slammed for what it lacks.

So, as I've not insulted you, but have dealt with realities, try seeing them yourself. Obama has won nothing yet.

And thats all she wrote...........

[Seabiscuit]

100. Thank heavens for sane people like CJP.

:applause:

[Seabiscuit]

98. The "tat" was your insulting claim that "it's over" because of "the math". And you know it.

Your shameless hypocrisy knows no bounds.

It was about the ten thousanth time some assole has slithered into this forum calling on first Edwards, then Clinton to "quit" because "it's over" because of "the math".

It's disgusting, uncivilized behavior. And you deserve to be slammed for it, especially at this late date.

Shame, shame, shame on you and your Obamanoid ilk.

And, BTW, I reserve the "Obamanoid" moniker for people who exhibit that kind of revolting, childish, obnoxious, irrational, and mean-spirited behavior here. The civilized Obama supporters don't behave like that.

You and your ilk are the worst possible advertisement for your candidate.

[YOY]

103. Well you got me pigeonholed

Stop acting like this.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

79. It's over.

Bookmark this post. Within 4 weeks it'll seem prescient.

[JoFerret]

55. So relax. celebrate enjoy

Don't be a sore winner.

[cliffordu]

13. Well, outside of watching the train wreck in logic her supporters

attempt to use to get from "Hillary" to "President", no there's no need to post.

We can always count on you, Maddy, for a laugh, though.

By the way. What are you going to do when she finally steps down??

Do you think you'll hang around here??

[YOY]

17. It will be interesting.

I usually liked her posts up until the GDP... She might stick around. Tellurian too. They're really Dems as far as I know. They won't cheer for BO for some time but may eventually warm up to the though.

Indimuse? Perry Logan? IndianaJones? A few others who post only hit pieces? They'll go away and never come back...or get TSed like Herman Munster.

[YOY]

18. Accidental Dupe

n/t

[JoFerret]

56. Keep spreading that Obama unity thing

all the bama love.

[Terran]

30. LOL

I have too much fun watching you guys spin like tornados to stop posting inn here. :rofl:

[dchill]

31. Yes, it is...

with "greater caveats and stipulations."
:hi:

[YOY]

32. Dude, I'm being flamed in this thread.

There's hella crazy insults for stating the blatant obvious! I had no idea that facts had such a bias!

:hi:

[dchill]

36. "Truth has a well-known liberal bias."

- Stephen Colbert.
:hi:

Expect the flames - it's not real fire, anyway. :)

[YOY]

40. If the insults were above 5th grade level I'd have a chance of getting peved at them...

but they're so lame and in reaction to a fact...I just can't help myself but correct them without a counter. Call me a "sissy"...oh wait they already did in this thread I think...

[dchill]

44. When one is out of real ammunition...

one shoots blanks.

[YOY]

45. Actually...

[dchill]

48. That's the spirit!

You KNOW we're kicking a really lame-ass thread here, right? ;)

[JoFerret]

57. O your poor thing.

Why are you not out celebrating and spreading celestial joy to the world?

[YOY]

74. Where was my nastiness?

I'm very curious...and do you really think the "poor thing" is insulting?

[L0oniX]

60. Flamer

[YOY]

82. I have no idea how but aparently I am.

:shrug:

[Egnever]

2. cool

hope it sinks her. Get it? Sink as in kitchen :P

[DarienComp]

3. Well, at least this thread is kinda, sorta about the issues...

Nice to have a break from Fingergate, I suppose...

[DefenseLawyer]

5. Scoreboard n/t

[ProSense]

7. What

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/1/85359/24244/36/488126">lies?

[grantcart]

8. cutting and pasting from a blogger who only cuts and pastes

pretty soon they will be cutting and pasting you to support their original thesis.

Oh yes this is the same dim bulb that started the 'boycott' at DailyKos


And you couldn't even cut and paste correctly, "he mailer" lol

[Cant trust em]

9. More of a deliberate misrepresentation of truth than a lie

Obama's mailing is not lying. Clinton said what she said. But it omits the fact that they have a similar stance. On a 10 scale with zero being an outright lie and 10 being full truth, this would rank about a 6.

[anonymous171]

10. She did support NAFTA and helped get it passed.

That's undeniable.

[LowerManhattanite]

11. Sad.

A sad, monosyllabic little shiv-wielder.

Alas, two more of these and it's back to the fainting couch.

[thewiseguy]

14. ignored

[SeaLyons]

16. Barry is nothing but a slick

Chicago politician. Not above doing anything, while hawking "politics of the past". He is such a liar. I hope she kicks his ass in PA.

Go Hillary!!

[sshan2525]

21. "Not above doing anything, while hawking "politics of the past""....?

Are you aware that you are describing your candidate almost to a tee? Is it just cognitive dissonance or is it something in the water?

[SeaLyons]

33. The only thing that comes to mind

when you mention water, is your guy walking on it.

[dchill]

35. cricket08 obviously does not want to acknowledge...

the city where Hillary was born and raised.*

*hint - It ain't Scranton.
:shrug:

[csorman]

63. HE'S the liar? Bwwwwwahahahahaha!!!!!

Pot, meet kettle.

[zulchzulu]

19. Hillary supported NAFTA since the 90s and signed the China MFN in 2000

You want me to show you links and PROOF? That can be done... refute ANYTHING if you'd like:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/zulchzulu/176

[rurallib]

20. Lordy I can't wait for the Clinton concession and withdrawal

next Wednesday morning. I am hoping at that time she will bring you all with her and we can unify to beat McCain.

[Seabiscuit]

24. You don't have to wait. YOY says it's over. And YOY should know.

YOY is the "fat lady", and she just sung.

[YOY]

28. I really don't understand your personal insults. I'm a man and not really overweight.

and the math says it's over.

[Seabiscuit]

49. If there's any insult, it's to your pig-headed "thinking".

Because your "math" is from Uranus.

[YOY]

52. No it's real math

You just don't want to use it. Please stop with the childish insults.

[Name removed]

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[YOY]

76. and you honestly think the supers will go against the will of the majority?

That's a certain defeat. They won't do that.

[Seabiscuit]

101. No one has a "majority" yet, because it ain't over. Period.

The supers will do whatever they think is best for winning the GE. Period. Nothing else matters.

BTW... nice whine there.

[YOY]

102. There is no and was no whine. You are rude for no good reason.

You are now ignored sadly, and my point stays.

[not_too_L8]

25. hey Emmy have you heard the crap Hillary is talking?

[AtomicKitten]

29. Her "perceived" support of NAFTA is on the record and on video.

[angie_love]

34. Why do all Obama bashers like hillarites and ann coulter call him Barry?

Is it demeaning or something? I'm missing the point.

[FlaGranny]

38. ??? Not sure, but if

my name was Barry I'd really be pissed at them. Name calling reflects on the name caller more than the person being "named." Pretty stupid tactic, geared only toward alienating oneself from others.

[YOY]

41. I really don't know.

Dimunizing, perhaps like calling Bill Clinton "Billy" or "Willie"? RWers did that too.

[BornBlue]

51. That is what he went by in high school.

Since he was uncomfortable with the name Barack, what teenager growing up in white America wouldn't be, he used Barry. They think by using Barry they are somehow proving that he had an identity crisis, and perhaps still does. Can't you smell the fear, OMG who is this Barry/Barack Hussein Obama, he is totally hiding something. It is really a cheap tactic.

[Zodiak]

65. Personally, I think it is a bit racist

His given name is Barack....when he went to school in the US coming out of Kenya, the kids all laughed at him (from "Dreams of my Father"). "Barry" was a way for him to fit in white society according to their terms. When he was old enough (you know...an adult), he changed his name to his given name.

I think calling Obama "Barry" is the same as calling Kuntah Kinteh "Toby" or Mohammad Ali "Cassius".

You call a person by the name they wish to be called. That is the polite thing to do. Anything else is a smear meant to diminish.

DUers who use "Barry" in reference to Obama are being deliberately demeaning, and in my opinion, are using a patina of racism.

[Auntie Bush]

84. That's a ridiculous statement.

"DUers who use "Barry" in reference to Obama are being deliberately demeaning, and in my opinion, are using a patina of racism."

[Zodiak]

85. It is my perception...that's what "personally" means

Apparently you disagree, but thanks for repeating it for me. And note as well, that this sentiment is not mine alone.

[Auntie Bush]

90. That's because you all gangup and repeat anything you hear like

a herd of goats. Barry is racist! What a joke! What are you smoking and drinking...K-A?

[Zodiak]

97. The only one I see descending like a goat is you

Notice that to make your point you have to resort to taunting?

I believe the use of the term is slightly racist, yes...the man clearly is called something else and wants to be called something else, so his "boy" name is inappropriate. I do not have to be part of some group-think or smoking and drinking something to believe so. The fact that you jump to such a conclusion immediately denotes a knee-jerk reaction on your part, not mine.

Just like before when you wanted to make disparaging remarks about my age group and our right to have a political opinion, you can try to distract me with your antagonistic behavior, but I'm not biting.

[Raineyb]

70. It's a deliberate attempt

to diminish, dismiss and disrespect him. Personally, I think it's disgusting and has somewhat racist overtones to it (as in "there's nothing about you that I need bother to deign to pretend to respect including calling you by the name you call yourself") but by saying so I've probably just encouraged more faux outrage.

There is nothing wrong with with the name in and of itself but the way it's being used is despicable.

Regards

[intaglio]

37. I knew their was a reason why some support Hillary

Pink Floyd - See Emily Play

Emily tries but misunderstands, ah ooh
She often inclined to borrow somebody's dreams till tomorrow
There is no other day
Let's try it another way
You'll lose your mind and play
Free games for may
See Emily play

Soon after dark Emily cries, ah ooh
Gazing through trees in sorrow hardly a sound till tomorrow
There is no other day
Let's try it another way
You'll lose your mind and play
Free games for may
See Emily play

Put on a gown that touches the ground, ah ooh
Float on a river forever and ever, Emily
There is no other day
Let's try it another way
You'll lose your mind and play
Free games for may
See Emily play

[Straight Shooter]

43. Really? I think of "For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her"

What I dream I had:
Pressed in organdy;
Clothed in crinoline of smoky Burgundy;
Softer than the rain.
I wandered empty streets
Down past the shop displays.
I heard cathedral bells
Tripping down the alley ways,
As I walked on.
And when you ran to me
Your cheeks flushed with the night.
We walked on frosted fields of juniper and lamplight,
I held your hand.
And when I awoke and felt you warm and near,
I kissed your honey hair with my grateful tears.
Oh I love you, girl.
Oh, I love you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xuMbQ2P53II

One of the most beautiful songs ever, by Simon & Garfunkel

[ellacott]

39. Barry

[YOY]

42. n.t.

[jefferson_dem]

81. Up till recently, I only saw that name used in freeperland.

Now, it's infested the *Democratic* Underground. Sad.

[Zodiak]

87. What tactic have ardent Hillary supporters taken

...in the last couple of months that hasn't saddened you?

I really cannot think of any...except maybe the somewhat substantive argument between compulsory vs. non-compulsory health insurance.

[jefferson_dem]

93. Well, you do have a point.

There has not been much to celebrate about regarding Hillary or her DU supporters this election season.

Note that before NH, I held Hillary in very high esteem, often expressing how she was my second fave and I would be satisfied with a Hillary-Obama ticket. That seems like eons ago.

Does she make you proud?

[Zodiak]

96. LOL...not really

I have always seen her as the "liberal" face of the DLC. Not as odious as her associates, but part of that nefarious organization nonetheless.

[Name removed]

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[JoFerret]

59. No need for that. We are now in unity time remember

we are all born again and spreading the the lord's love.

[azmouse]

47. ...

[csorman]

64. I love pancake-bunny!!!

There are photos of him on the internet with other things on his head.

[Bonobo]

66. Hypocrite.

[Lucky 13]

67. Hey dummy

She did support NAFTA and spoke to stakeholders in favor of it. There are witnesses and her own schedule to back that up.

You can fool some of the people (like you) all of the time.
You can fool all of the people SOME of the time.
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time and Americans are fucking FED UP with her.

[MethuenProgressive]

68. PolitiFact rules Obama LIED about Hillary on NAFTA: link

"Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a 'boon' to our economy."
Barack Obama on Wednesday, February 13th, 2008 in a flier sent to voters in Ohio

For weeks, Sen. Barack Obama has been quoting Sen. Hillary Clinton as saying that the North American Free Trade Agreement had been a "boon" to the U.S. economy.

He used the phrase in a recent mailing to voters in Ohio (the headline said Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was 'a boon' to our economy"), and he used it in a Jan. 21, 2008, debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

"I know that Hillary on occasion has said — just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy," Obama said. "I think it has been devastating, because our trade agreements did not have labor standards and environmental standards that would assure that workers in the U.S. were getting a square deal." Text

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/373/

[AllentownJake]

69. Oh no

She isn't going to go all shame on you Barack Obama again....

[JTFrog]

71. Face the music. It's all over for Sister Frigidaire.

Since we're using nicknames and all.... :shrug:

[Catherina]

75. Frigidaire? I have a much better one but I love dogs too much

to compare them to that Frigidaire.

[JTFrog]

77. It was in her high school newspaper.

:shrug:

[Catherina]

73. So he's still Boy to you? Can't bring yourself to see him as a man?

I am looking forward to the day when all the Dixiecrats get tossed from the Party.

[Debi]

78. Who's Barry? n/t

[BenDavid]

80. Hey Emily, watch out, cause if you call B Hussein Obama Barry

you are a bigot and racist. Hey, in my lifetime I have been called worse by the best haters in the world and that being the white knights of the KKK. So, if some of the B Hussein Obama supporters in here get all hostile because we use the name Barry, just remember it was the obama folks that injected race and racial name calling.....and all we said was Barry.

Oh and here is something from you obama folks favorite site and if you gonna get all in a lather then go write kos and tell him he is a bigot and a racist too....

Obama's High School yearbook picture
by kos
Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 03:18:08 PM PDT
This is hilarious.

"Barry" Obama.

Nice 'do. (Really.)

And where can we get similar pictures of the rest of the presidential crowd?

[angie_love]

86. Hi Ann!! Always knew you were a tranny!

[LowerManhattanite]

89. Get help, Bennie.

Seriously.

[ClericJohnPreston]

92. Take your own advice

;)

[LowerManhattanite]

94. Hello, ignored!

Hope all is well under your stone bridge. :shrug:

[AZBlue]

99. Do you call Sen. Clinton "Hilly"? "Hill-baby"? "Hillary-ree"?

You are extremely rude and low, but you knew that already.

[FlaGranny]

104. Oh, honey,

you just don't believe your lying ears do you pumpkin.