ABC donations to Clinton's campaign for March

[Life Long Dem]

ABC NEWS 55.00
ABC STAFFING 337.15
ABC STUDIOS 2,450.00
ABC TV NETWORK 250.00
ABC, INC. 250.00
ABC-TV 2,300.00
ABC/TV 300.00
-------------------
Total 5,942.15

So, is there any bias at ABC News toward Hillary?

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569/A_EMPLOYER_C00431569.html

[Bensthename]

1. Ahh, it is clear now. Speculations were correct. Thanks..

[rinsd]

19. How are they correct? Obama got twice as much money from ABC and at least as much from Disney

[Bensthename]

22. Can you provide a link for that?

[rinsd]

23. Sure...sorry about that.

I was adding Walt Disney to my post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5566763&mesg_id=5566863

[Bensthename]

35. Well, sure enough.. That is interesting.

I guess all is fair with that issue..

[rinsd]

38. Bias by ABC against Obama does not necessarily equal bias for Hillary.

I think the bias in that debate against Obama was self evident. But Hillary has been the pin cushion for a few debates herself.

The MSM has a "proud" tradition of doing gotcha bullshit with Democratic candidates (see Dukakis & Bernie Shaw)

[Bensthename]

41. That's true,,

I wonder if they have some sort of agenda or if they think it draws a bigger audience for ratings? What ever their reason I hope they do a better job next time..

I thought Hillary did a good job too but unfortunately ABC made the news more then any one. What a waste of time..

[rinsd]

42. It was by far the worst debate I have seen on any level.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. Obama got more money from them - check it out....

ABC STUDIOS 2,600.00
ABC STUDIOS 'UGLY BETTY' 250.00
ABC STUDIOS LLC 50.00
ABC TELEVISION 750.00
ABC TELEVISION STUDIOS 2,000.00
ABC TELEVISION/DC COMICS 1,000.00
ABC, INC 378.58
ABC-TV 2,200.00
ABC/DISNEY 2,300.00

[yourguide]

2. You forgot to add in the walt disney company donations

And disney has a PAC, did you look up their PAC donations?

[still_one]

3. You are joking right, 6000 bucks is chump change

ABC is bias against both OUR candidates

[jenmito]

4. Why don't you tell HILLARY she's on OUR side? She acts like a RWer!

[Debi]

9. Maybe $6,000 is chump change to the wealthy candidate

but to the small vendors that Clinton has stiffed (still owes $$ to Iowa vendors) that six grand would come in handy.

$6,000? Chump change?

[rinsd]

16. So the over $10K from ABC that Obama has gotten would be scandalous

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. Reference, please. Thanks. n/t

[rinsd]

34. Here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5566763&mesg_id=5566863

[Debi]

49. No, but not chump change

AND Obama doesn't have the unpaid debt that Clinton has....

Her not paying her bills IS scandalous!

[goletian]

37. not to someone who has to loan their own campaign 5 million dollars! ROFL

its chump change to obama because he can raise unprecedented amounts of money like no other. for clinton, 6k is a good bump, lol.

[DearAbby]

60. We all know the Media is biased against anyone with a (D)

behind their name. People have been railing against the media for the past 7 yrs at least. So this is nothing new. The "debate" on ABC should come to no surprise, what was surprising was how blatant they were. I hope the American people saw through it, and by the reviews. It's highly likely they did.

[rinsd]

5. ABC gave about twice that to Obama in March

ABC STUDIOS 2,600.00
ABC STUDIOS 'UGLY BETTY' 250.00
ABC STUDIOS LLC 50.00
ABC SUPPLY CO 75.00
ABC TELEVISION 750.00
ABC TELEVISION STUDIOS 2,000.00
ABC TELEVISION/DC COMICS 1,000.00
ABC ZENTRUM 95.00
ABC, INC 378.58
ABC-TV 2,200.00
ABC/DISNEY 2,300.00

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_EMPLOYER_C00431445.html

Disney figures for both

Obama (from above link)

DISNEY 6,463.00
DISNEY PICTURES 250.00
DISNEY PUBLISHING 275.00
DISNEY STORES 350.00
DISNEY THEATRICALS, INC. 500.00
DISNEY/ESPN 400.00
WALT DISNEY 300.00
WALT DISNEY ANIMATION 500.00
WALT DISNEY CO 300.00
WALT DISNEY COMPANY 1,306.72
WALT DISNEY CORPORATION 210.92
WALT DISNEY IMAGINEERING 500.00
WALT DISNEY INTERNET GROUP 25.00
WALT DISNEY STUDIOS 510.02
WALT DISNEY WORLD 395.00
WALT DISNEY WORLD CO. 290.78

Hillary (from your link)

DISNEY 310.00
DISNEY THEATRICAL PRODUCTION 250.00
DISNEY-ABC TV, INC. 250.00
DISNEY/ABC 300.00
DISNEYLAND RESORT 300.00
WALT DISNEY CO 235.00
WALT DISNEY COMPANY 5,799.98
WALT DISNEY STUDIOS 250.00
WALT DISNEY WORLD 2,698.88
WALT DISNEY WORLD COMPAN 218.16

[yourguide]

15. Is it that hard for you to use search?

Oh you edited to correct your misstatement I see...


Hillary donations:

DIsney $310
Disney Theatrical $250
Disney ABC $250
Diney ABC $300
Disneyland resort $300
Walt Disney CO $1200
Walt Disney Co $5799.98
Walt Disney World $2698.88

Plus a bunch of little ones, how convenient for you to miss those 3.

How much did the Disney PAC give her?

[rinsd]

18. I was busy adding Walt Disney to both totals

PAC are limited to a max $5K

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.asp?strID=C00197749&cycle=2008

I don't see any donation to either candidate in the expenditures (don;t pay attention to the donor list as that is limited to Congress)

"Plus a bunch of little ones, how convenient for you to miss those 3"

As opposed to the OP omitting Obama's total entirely?

On edit: removed insult because editing has occured

[LaurenG]

6. Because ABC donated $5900

that proves bias? I don't understand how 5900 means anything. :shrug:

Am I missing something?

[Bensthename]

24. Might as well be pocket lint..

Uhh sure,,,

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. The issue is that they donated to her campaign. Add that to the Clintons...

being on the Board of Directors for the group that co-sponsored the debate, and there is a clear conflict of interest here.

[onenote]

30. "they" -- I'd be willing to bet that most of those contributions came from indivuduals

with absolutely no influence over ABC News policy. And if you check, you'll see that Obama got even more from ABC/Disney-related contributors.


http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_EMPLOYER_C00431445.html

BFD.

This is as stupid as it gets around here.

[LaurenG]

46. I think the fact that the Clinton's are directors is much more

of an issue. It looks like employee donations to me too, which seems fair enough, especially since it's under 6000.00.

[rinsd]

47. Where is the distinction between director vs employee?

[LaurenG]

48. I don't know what you mean?

I thought the 5900 was no big deal because it looks like ABC employee's donated to her, which is their right and seems fair to me.

I think the fact that the Clinton's are on the board of the company co-sponsoring the event was more significant. Had it been Obama on the board of the co-sponsoring company and the moderators only asked questions of Hillary, the same way they asked Obama, I think eyebrows would have been raised.

[rinsd]

50. I'm sorry. I originally misunderstood.

I thought you were referring to donations.

I see what you mean now and I agree.

[onenote]

52. the "company" that you are referring to is:

a non-partisan, non-profit entity that runs a federally chartered and funded museum.

Do a little research next time.

And were eyebrows raised when the Congressional Black Caucus, of which Obama is a member (and of which no other candidate is even eligible to be a member) co-sponsored a debate? No. And that was as it should have been.

Again. Stop trying to outstupid the other side.

[LaurenG]

53. So you think the way to make friends here is to insult people.

I wasn't born yesterday so yes I do understand however had this been reversed it would have been a mess. Agree or disagree that is my opinion and no I'm not stupid but you are a very rude democratic supporter.

I won't address the second barb you thought you had to throw, down the thread except to say that the only one of us who was worked up about anything is you. Perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to tell others off had you done a search.

[onenote]

54. sorry if you got the brunt of my frustration

Its hard being an Obama supporter around here these days. Half the time I'm dealing with stupidity from the HRC supporters going ballistic about fingers and lying about the Weathermen and playing games with vote counts to make it look like HRC has a chance, which she doesn't.

And, sadly, the other half of the time I feel like I'm responding to over the top posts by my fellow Obama supporters, claiming that there is some conspiracy (citing among other things contributions from ABC employees to Hillary only to find out that Obama has received even more money from them) and mischaracterizing the role of the NCC and HRC's completely non-substantive "honorary" board member status.

ANd the fact is, as I pointed out, when the CBC sponsored a debate, I don't recall a single person suggesting there was a conflict because Obama was a member and none of the other candidates were even eligible to be members. So, at least in that one instance, it wasn't a "mess". And even if the HRC crazies would've gone nuts over Obama having an 'honorary' position on some entity that hosted one the debates, that's no reason to sink to their level and try to make it an issue here.

I sincerely do apologize for my tone. But there was a long thread on this yesterday and my frustration boiled over.

[LaurenG]

55. Hang in there, it is frustrating

I understand completely.
Peace and low stress as they say.

[onenote]

51. its only an issue if you believe in fairy tales

Do you know anything about the National Constitution Center? Do you know anything about its role in the debate? Do you know anything about the role of an honorary board, particularly one in a federally chartered and funded institution that automatically puts former presidents and first ladies on an 'honorary board'?

The NCC is basically a museum. Its relationship to the debate was to "host" it -- the debate was held at the museum. Hillary is a member of the honorary board by dint of being former first lady, as is Betty Ford, Rosyln Carter and Babs Bush. I will bet you a month's pay they have no voting role and probably have never attended a "board" meeting of the NCC.

If you want to get all worked up, why not focus on the fact that the voting members of the board -- the one's that actually have a say in anything involving the NCC -- include a number of individuals who have donated to presidential campaigns -- including Obama's campaign. Personally, I don't think it matters. Just as I don't think it mattered that the COngressional Black Caucus co-sponsored a debate and no one suggested that posed a conflict of interest since one -- and only one -- candidate in that debate was a member of the CBC (and not an "automatic" member either -- a member by choice).

I'm an Obama supporter, but arguments like this -- suggesting the debate, which was awful and for which blame rests solely on the two "journalists" who were complete hacks during the debate -- was the product of some plot by ABC and the NCC strike me as efforts by my fellow Obama supporters to outstupid HRC's supporters --- a task that is both impossible and yet only makes you look bad.

Stop.

[Zuiderelle]

7. Is that in thousands of dollars? Or are you just being ridiculous?

A grand total of $5,942.15 ooooh, yeah, that's going to put her over the top all right. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

8. That's really not very much money.

[Cant trust em]

10. sorry, but this is chump change NT

[Fresh_Start]

11. Obama had more...so the entire debate was staged

to get Obama the sympathy factor using your logic

[PoliticalAmazon]

27. Again, link?

[onenote]

33. here's your link

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_EMPLOYER_C00431445.html

I'm an Obama supporter and this is stupid. Stop.

[Greyskye]

12. These contributions mean nada

These are contributions for Obama:

ABC STUDIOS  	          2,600.00
ABC STUDIOS 'UGLY BETTY'    250.00
ABC STUDIOS LLC 	     50.00
ABC TELEVISION 	            750.00
ABC TELEVISION STUDIOS 	  2,000.00
ABC TELEVISION/DC COMICS  1,000.00
ABC, INC 	            378.58
ABC-TV 	                  2,200.00
ABC/DISNEY 	          2,300.00

Total                    11,528.58

From the same source you used:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431445/A_EMPLOYER_C00431445.html

[dchill]

13. Bias? I'd have to see their Obama donations...

to tell, wouldn't I?

[ej510]

14. That's not a big deal imo.

[EFerrari]

17. It's not for HIllary, it's against Obama.

If Hillary were ahead, they'd be giving the dough to him.

ABC has everything to gain from this going on as long as possible. :shrug:

[rinsd]

20. They are giving dough to him (by a 2 to 1 ratio in March)

[EFerrari]

29. Sure. It's just like all those corporations that you can read about

at Open Secrets. They give more to the party in power but they always hedge their bet.

[rinsd]

36. True, you rarely see anything beyond a 60-40 split.

[knixphan]

21. yes yes yes!

[EFerrari]

31. Hey, what are you doing, being a knixphan in HelLA?

I used to be a Celtics phan in SF. :)

[knixphan]

57. It's a tough gig!

Being bi-coastal. Heart is in NYC, but most of the work (film) is in LA

Also tough rooting for Dolan's mess...But I can't help it...

[crispini]

28. Pfffth. This stuff is stupid. They are individuals contributing to her.

And, as has been seen elsewhere in this thread, people have also contributed to Obama.

Now, WHO made those contributions would be more interesting. :think:

[cbayer]

32. ABC donations to Obama's campaign for March

ABC KSAT 12 250.00
ABC STUDIOS 2,600.00
ABC STUDIOS 'UGLY BETTY' 250.00
ABC STUDIOS LLC 50.00
ABC TELEVISION 750.00
ABC TELEVISION STUDIOS 2,000.00
ABC TELEVISION/DC COMICS 1,000.00
ABC-TV 2,200.00
ABC/DISNEY 2,300.00

TOTAL 11,400.00

Same site.

[Life Long Dem]

40. Yeah, the donations I listed are only affiliated with ABC News. n/t

[cbayer]

43. How can you tell the difference?

On edit: You included every ABC category that there was on that report. I also included every ABC category on the Obama report.

Frankly, I think this is a non-issue. I was only trying to point out that the same data source challenges the conclusion that you were drawing.

[rinsd]

44. The OP can't

But even limiting the choices to the same listed by the op, Obama still took in more.

ABC STUDIOS 2,600.00
ABC STUDIOS LLC 50.00
ABC TELEVISION 750.00
ABC TELEVISION STUDIOS 2,000.00
ABC-TV 2,200.00
ABC/DISNEY 2,300.00

[cbayer]

45. I edited my response to the OP to point out

that she/he had used every ABC category available on the report.

This is a really silly issue. I was just trying to show how data can be spun.

[Infinite Hope]

56. Eh, as an Obama supporter, I can say that isn't very significant. $6,000 is nothing...

when it comes to news stations donating to political campaigns. Further, the debate was more about drama and trying to get a catchy/harmful response from either candidate than it was favoritism toward one candidate or another.

[K Gardner]

58. I agree.. that's a token donation, probably given to all candidates.

[madrchsod]

59. no......abc has an ethical issue.