Michigan and Florida - has it been figured out?

[swag]

Chris Bowers says so, (though he has been wrong before):

1. Florida and Michigan will have a delegation seated at the convention. Everyone knows this. Howard Dean has said this. As such, pretending that 2,024 is the magic number doesn't make any sense. With Florida and Michigan included, the magic number is 2,208.

2. The Florida Democratic Party will send a delegation with a pledged delegate breakdown of Clinton 105, Obama 67, and Edwards 13 to the credentials committee. This is already a done deal. The Obama campaign has not offered an alternative delegate slate.

3. The Michigan Democratic Party will send a delegation with a pledged delegate breakdown of Clinton 73, Obama 55 to the credentials committee. Not only has the Obama campaign not offered up an alternative slate, it is working to cement the 73-55 delegation:

Thousands of Barack Obama supporters will converge Saturday on union halls, high schools and hotels across Michigan, trying to make sure he gets his share of delegates to the national convention -- even if his name wasn't on the ballot for Michigan's tainted presidential primary.

Obama's only remaining obstacle to the nomination -- New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, who was the only major Democratic candidate on the Jan. 15 ballot -- is assured of getting 47 delegates and 13 alternates based on her victory. But the remaining 36 delegates and two alternates are up for grabs. Those delegates represent people who voted Uncommitted in the primary.

In summary, Michigan and Florida will be seated, and there is only one delegation from each state for the credentials committee to consider. Not only is the Obama campaign not proposing different delegate slates, but they are actively working to make certain of the above delegate slates. Given all this, you tell me--what will the Michigan and Florida delegations look like at the convention?

We can sit around and debate whether or not this result is fair or acceptable all day. Hell, we have already been doing just that for three months now. However, this is not an abstract argument anymore. Michigan and Florida will be seated, and their delegations are taking shape as you read this. If the Obama campaign plans to dispute these delegations at the credentials committee, then it should say so and offer up a counter delegations. It has done neither. Until that changes, I am assuming pro-Clinton delegations of 73-55 from Michigan, and 105-67-13 from Florida.

Besides, Obama is still up by 73 delegates even with Michigan and Florida seated. If he can't hold onto that lead with only 915 delegates to go, then his campaign will be in freefall come June anyway.

[crankychatter]

1. You'd better provide some evidence - links now please

seriously

[swag]

3. The OP has a link in it.

And that link has a link to other links.

[LSK]

7. psst: the blue text with a line under it is a link

[guyanakoolaid]

2. "If The Obama campaign plans to dispute these delegations" ... Capital B Bullshit

At least be honest about what's going on: Clinton is trying to change the rules that she previously agreed to.

No ifs ands or buts about it. There is no arguing your way out of reality. Clinton agreed, she now sees that undoing her agreement will benefit her, so she's doing whatever she can. Not very "presidential" to make up the rules as you go along. Well, maybe it has been for the last seven years, but that's what Democrats are trying to change. Er, or what Obama is trying to change.

[Saturday]

4. If we don't seat MI and FL we will lose those states to McCain

in the GE. That's my opinion.

[wileedog]

8. Somebody should have thought of that last year

Where was this outrage and fear then?

[Skink]

5. Obama should give ther the Florida and Mich superdelagates too...

For her troubles.:nopity:

[bowens43]

6. Yes, it's been figured out.

they broke the rules , they won't be counted.

[madfloridian]

9. Did Chris just say so? No sources? He needs to come here.

He would be right at home.

I don't know where he got this. I think they will be seated, but counted differently....with BOTH candidates AGREEING.

I like Chris, I hope he is right.

They can send the delegations, but will they be counted like that?

He sure has heard more than I have, but then what do I know.

[swag]

12. It's easy to register at OpenLeft and leave comments.

You should go for it. You're way more informed on this than I am.

[madfloridian]

10. Florida chose their delegates. But that does not mean they will be counted.

Good Lord, Chris, give some sources for that.

Dean said they would be seated but would not look like a regular delegation because they broke the rules.

We have been over this so much.

:shrug:

FL and MI will not count toward the nominee unless both say so. Come on, Chris, prove me wrong.

[madfloridian]

11. I don't think Chris has fully thought this out yet.

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[grantcart]

13. Once the presumptive nominee is in place he will orchestrate a reconciled solution