BREAKING: Newsweek Poll - Obama leads Clinton by 20 points

[powergirl]

This poll was conducted after the debate. GO OBAMA!!! On edit by powergirl: This will take the wind out of the Clinton talking points. They were so proud of b eing 3 points away from Obama in a daily national poll. Whatever!

"Despite her campaign's relentless attacks on Barack Obama's qualifications and electability, Hillary Clinton has lost a lot of ground with Democratic voters nationwide going into Tuesday's critical primary in Pennsylvania, a new NEWSWEEK poll shows.

"The survey of 1,209 registered voters found that Obama now leads Clinton by nearly 20 points, or 54 percent to 35 percent, among registered Democrats and those who lean Democratic nationwide. The previous Newsweek poll, conducted in March after Clinton's big primary wins in Ohio and Texas, showed the two Democrats locked in a statistical tie (45 percent for Obama to 44 percent for Clinton). The new poll puts Obama ahead among women as well as men, and voters aged 60 and older as well as younger voters. (For the complete poll data, click here).

"One of the more devastating results for Clinton was that a majority of all registered voters now see her as dishonest and untrustworthy. According to the poll, just four in 10 (41 percent) registered voters view the New York senator as honest and trustworthy, while 51 percent think the opposite. This compares with solid majorities of voters who see Obama and McCain as honest and trustworthy (both polled 61 percent)."

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Obama also has more support from independent voters and

"But by a large margin (55 percent to 33 percent) Democratic voters now say Obama—not Clinton—is the candidate they believe is more likely to defeat McCain in November."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/132721/page/1

[meow mix]

1. K&RK&R!!11!!

[FrenchieCat]

2. Wow......

But what about Fingergate?

[slinkerwink]

3. hmmm, chicken fingers.....

[scheming daemons]

4. Obama was just saying "We're Number 1!"

[powergirl]

I was watching Fingergate on MSNBC when they broke the story

They were actually goofing on fingergate and all the commentators agreed (including a Repub) that Obama was way to smart and too classy to flick off his opponent on TV.

[Barrymores Ghost]

8. That THAT's funny!!!

Woof, I thought the infamous single-digit cheek-scratch would certainly be the torpedo that blew Obama's port-side stern apart.

Hmmmm....maybe the fish didn't have time to arm itself before it closed the distance...

[Iwasthere]

5. Hang it up Hillary... it's over

Save face. There is a lot of other good you can do. And forget about 2012... you can have 2016

[powergirl]

14. She doesn't care about saving face

She will torpedo the Democratic party if she could to try to be the nominee. I think this trend of Obama surging will continue. No one likes to see the good guy get screwed over.

[Cha]

50. She doesn't care about saving face or

saving anything..and she will not being doing anybody any good except mccain.

[goclark]

85. Write this down ~ goclark said

that she will run as McCain's VP

[PittPoliSci]

88. are you sure that's why she's still in the race?

or do you think it might be because she honestly believes she is the best person to take on John McCain in the fall? we need to stop calling each other evil and focus on the real enemy, John McCain.

[SlicerDicer-]

57. what face? she ripped hers off already with sniperfire

[NorthCarolina]

68. No, forget about 2016 too

by that time America will be well on its way to once again becoming a beacon for fairness and compassion in a socially progressive enlightened society. By that time, conservative DLC ways will appear far too regressive and out of touch effectively negating any hopes of a Hillary run in 2016. That's my prediction anyway. Now if you run someone like Rachel Maddow in 2016 you can sign me up for her campaign.

[Shae]

74. Rachel Maddow would be awesome

but we can't count out Obama's vp.

[NorthCarolina]

75. I was going with the electing a woman theme

as Hillary supporters always seem to insist that if you don't support their candidate, you're a misogynist - period. There is never any middle ground in realizing that it isn't anything against "women" in general, just "that particular" woman. If Rachel Maddow were running today I'd vote for her in a heartbeat.

[Shae]

79. Maybe Obama's vp will be a woman! nt

[BenDavid]

6. and that means what, when you vote by states. Does Pa.

reflect that poll you sight? NO!

[melody]

11. It means he's vastly more popular than Clinton -- that's important n/t

[powergirl]

13. About an hour ago, a Clinton poster was claiming victory

when she was 3 points away from Obama in a NATIONAL daily poll. You and I both know it's always better to be 20 points ahead nationwide in a poll. And since last time I checked, Pennsylvania was in this nation, it includes those voters.

[marshall]

25. But it's not about a national primary....

It's all about Pennsylvania, and then it'll be all about North Carolina, and then it'll be all about Puerto Rico, and then it'll be all about the superdelegates, and then it'll be all about pledged delegates who aren't really pledged.

[powergirl]

27. Don't forget Puerto Rico

Puerto Rico is what matters.

:sarcasm:

[tabasco]

23. It means Obama is ahead in national polling.

I thought it was pretty clear.

But in the "vote by states" category, Obam is way ahead there too.

In fact, he's ahead in every category. Start accepting that he is going to win and get behind the nominee.

[GihrenZabi]

24. For the love of God...

You don't "sight" a poll. You "cite" it.

[Kajsa]

73. Those damn homophones!

They'll get you, every time.

;-)

[Stuckinthebush]

80. Well, technically you can sight one

"Ahoy there! Poll off the port side!"

[MattBaggins]

31. Yes but you see

you Clinton followers have been screaming on and on and on about SDs ignoring common sense and coronating Hillary. Well perhaps they should take a look at the fact that she has steadily sunk in the polls in PA blowing a 20 point lead, plummeted in National polls, and has soaring negative ratings.

Perhaps?

[Warren DeMontague]

48. It's "cite", Ben.

That grousy grumbling crap works better when people can understand what you mean.

[Hope And Change]

7. K & R!

:kick:

[catgirl]

9. Good time to surge!

[ima_sinnic]

10. even with flaglapelpingate???!!1!!1!! (nt)

[Mz Pip]

12. Interesting

I never know what to make of these polls since they seem to be all over the place.

Well, 4 more days to go. We shall see.

[Lucky 13]

15. All that is left is formalities and cheating.

People are tired of her and her supporters' LYING BULLSHIT. She was BOOED by union workers in Pittsburgh on Monday. BOOED.

New, undeclared SuperD's are announcing support for Obama at a rate of nearly 1 a day.
Previous Hillary SuperD's are switching to Obama or hedging their bets by saying they will vote for whoever is ahead at the end.
Her lead in Pennsylvania has slipped away. She will not win by the margin she needs to remain viable.
She's now BEHIND in Indiana AND North Carolina.
Only 30% of the American people find her trustworthy.

If she had won this race outright, fairly, playing by the rules - I would support her 100% in the general.

But the only way for her to win now is by cheating or slander.

And she'll try. She's going to unleash some nasty slanderous thing against him, probably on Monday. But it will fail. When only 30% of the public find you trustworthy, the only people that will believe that tripe are the people that have believed you about all your other lies.

She's going to say he did not win legitimately because of MI or FL. Maybe there will be a lawsuit? But Mr. Dean will quash it. MI and FL will be seated... at the end. She doesn't have a leg to stand on and the party won't allow breaking of the rules for her.


Any other dirty tricks you got? Bring them on. We're ready for you.

None of us are going to allow another politician to swoop in and lie, cheat and steal their way to victory. Not again. Not this time. We are witnessing a revolution here, people. A revolution demanding what is right and what is fair. We have righteous anger going for us and we have a motivated populace. That is an incredible combination.

[pipi_k]

78. Dirty tricks and slander

On one hand I find these tactics to be totally repugnant...but on the other, they could be of some benefit. I mean, in the end when Obama is the nominated candidate, what more will the Republican slime machine have to throw at him that hasn't already been thrown and dealt with?

Not much.

That should pretty much make them (and McCain) look desperate and nasty.

Maybe at the end of it all, the only thing that hasn't been thrown at Obama would be allegations of pedophilia. But seeing as he's a Democrat (they may philander but at least it's with adult women) that shouldn't even be a worry. :7

[Shae]

81. That was very well said!!

[blonndee]

16. WOW!!! Major.

[scheming daemons]

17. This poll is meaningless.... it was pre-fingergate....

..

[blonndee]

18. Tweety just led with this. n/t

[krawhitham]

19. K & R

[40ozDonkey]

20. This poll included the states that don't matter. Disregard. n/t

[powergirl]

22. Yeah, just those fly over states, that's the ticket

This poll doesn't count. Whatever. I know I would be CRUSHED if this poll came out 20 points in favor of Clinton. And those Clinton supporters would be doing the gloat dance. But it's a good feeling to be on this side of the poll. :hi:

[chknltl]

21. Thank You MSM and especially ABC!

Keep feeding us more finger-lapel-(insert-silliness)-gates! You consistently make our point for us that you are partisan hacks! We The People want our MSM to keep us informed, not propagandized but you folks have yet to figure that one out! I know you don't listen to us but you DO listen to the all mighty $. Please notice the rise in progressives on TV and the radio. Please note where the advertisers are migrating! Please, JOIN THEM and maybe join We The People.

[quantass]

26. nice

[ORDem]

28. "...just four in 10 (41 percent) registered voters view the New York senator as honest ..."

Well, DUH!!!

:rofl:

[Shakespeare]

30. "I said some things I KNEW TO BE UNTRUE."

Gee, I wonder why they don't see her as honest.

[Hepburn]

59. When is her Senate term up?

I want plenty of head start on working to see that a REAL Dem runs in her place.

[cliffordu]

29. Whomp!! There it is!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:


Hillary looking for bounce, has to settle for stumble and fall....

[PBS Poll-435]

32. IT IS THE MATH!

54 - 35 DOES NOT EQUAL 20.

Not even on Planet Hope.

[FrenchieCat]

33. It's being rounded.

Do you mind? LOL!

[PBS Poll-435]

34. Who is rounding it?

[NightOwwl]

35. Buh...bu...bu

He's a wimp!

[Texas Hill Country]

36. funny that this is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY off of the other polls that say she is w/in 3

[onenote]

42. different questions

The Newsweek poll, as I understand it, doesn't ask who you support, but rather who you think has a better chance of winning the GE. Comparing that poll's results with the results of polls that show a narrow preference for Obama over Clinton among Democrats suggests that there are a number of HRC supporters who recognize that Obama has a better shot in the GE but nonetheless still prefer HRC. To give this group the benefit of the doubt, I assume that they aren't lemmings, but rather that they think HRC will win, but maybe not as easily as Obama would.

[Hepburn]

60. I love the smell of panic on a Clinton supporter! n/t

[powergirl]

69. Not polls but poll

Only ONE poll has Clinton within 3 points of Obama. The others have Obama ahead by at least 10.

[backscatter712]

37. Kos is showing this poll too!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/18/161012/858/823/498526

One observation made in this Kos diary (author DavidFosterWallace) is that when the poll was broken down by demographic groups, the only group where Clinton came out ahead in this poll was with poor/working class whites...

[apocalypsehow]

38. Excellent news, but in a way it doesn't surprise me. HRC has been acting like a Republican,

and most Democrats I know have zero use for Republicans or their tactics.

[K Gardner]

39. K&R

[glowing]

40. Funny how all of a sudden Polls mean absolutely nothing to the pundits...

HMMM.. when it doesn't support M$M, look what happens.

[Freida5]

41. incompetant polling by a bias publication does not warrent attention.

[D23MIURG23]

54. Make a statistical arguement as to why this was incompetent polling...

And I will give your point some actual thought.

[workinclasszero]

43. GTFO now Hillary!

GOBAMA!!:applause:

[Glimmer of Hope]

47. It is time!

[Guaranteed]

44. That is a huge lead. It has to really hurt.

There's no spinning numbers like that.

[Bullet1987]

45. COT DAYUM!!!

[Occam Bandage]

46. Hillary acts like a Republican; finds herself in Republican polling territory.

[jgraz]

49. Remember 6 months ago when we were all treated to national polls that hillary was leading?

I'd be willing to be real money that the many of the people poo-pooing Obama's current national lead are the same ones who were beating us over the head with Hillary's polling back then.

[D23MIURG23]

55. I certainly do.

Its why I crack up a little every time a Hillary supporter characterizes Obama supporters as arrogant. We were supposed to abandon all hope because Hillary was going to be coronated.

Guess the shoe is on the other foot now...

[psychopomp]

51. It should be even higher

:kick:

[Kablooie]

52. Nice to hear but polls seem to be useless.

They can turn on a dime.

Or even a quarter in today's economy.

[D23MIURG23]

53. K&R

[Pawel K]

56. Gallup daily tracking shows him as losing quite a bit of ground

Granted, it isn't as recent as this poll (done 4/15-4/17) but I'll wait before I jump up in the air with joy.

But he does seem to be up in PA by a lot. Rasmussen and Zogby have him within 4 points of Hillary and those polls were done after the debate.

I have my fingers crossed, how awesome would it be for this to end next Tuesday?

[Shae]

72. I love the Newsweek poll numbers;

I'd be ecstatic if I hadn't heard the Gallup poll numbers at the same time.

Gallup Daily: Clinton Moves Within 3 Points of Obama
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106630/Gallulp-Daily-Clinton-Moves-Within-Points-Obama.aspx

I, like you, have my fingers crossed, but will hold off on the joy-jumping until we get more info.

How awesome for it to end Tuesday? It would be very(200x) awesome for it to end next Tuesday!

[Stephanie]

58. People have wised up. They're not falling for the same old tricks.

I credit the internet, and the new generation of leadership.

[Mobius]

61. She has lost average 2% in 2 days in Penn.

Pennsylvania Democratic Primary
Tuesday, April 22 | Delegates at Stake: 188
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Spread
RCP Average 04/08 - 04/17 - 48.0 42.4 Clinton +5.6
Rasmussen 04/17 - 04/17 730 LV 47 44 Clinton +3.0
Zogby 04/16 - 04/17 602 LV 47 43 Clinton +4.0
PPP (D) 04/14 - 04/15 1095 LV 42 45 Obama +3.0
SurveyUSA 04/12 - 04/14 638 LV 54 40 Clinton +14.0
LA Times/Bloomberg 04/10 - 04/14 623 LV 46 41 Clinton +5.0
Strategic Vision (R) 04/11 - 04/13 576 LV 49 40 Clinton +9.0
Quinnipiac 04/09 - 04/13 2,103 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
Franklin & Marshall 04/08 - 04/13 367 LV 49 42 Clinton +7.0

Sauce:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html

[Mooney]

62. I support Obama, but I don't believe this poll for a minute.

[McCamy Taylor]

63. This is the world's screwiest poll. I think it is a media lie to sell GE's nukes

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Gallup and Rasmussen have Obama up by 3 and 5 over the same time period. Obama has never lead by this much. GE/NBC supports him because he is going to bring back the nuclear energy industry. Dean has told the SDs to choose someone and now Newsweek/MSNBC has this incredibly 20 pt lead?

This smells like last week's sushi.

[Zambero]

83. If these pollsters have found a way to factor in the cell phone user demographic

that is younger, isn't included in land line phone surveys, and is more prone to support Obama, then it's probably quite accurate. And even within its margin of error, Hillary is left in the dust. If anything it's indicative of a trend -- that Hillary's slipping away at an "alarming" rate.

[Viracocha711]

64. I am...

I am a typical White person for Obama!

Check out the T-shirt I found! I can not wait to get mine!

http://www.zazzle.com/typical_white_for_obama_shirt-235320310849579360

[workinclasszero]

65. GTFO Hillary!

Obama is our nominee! GOBAMA!!:woohoo:

[invictus]

66. K & R

[paulk]

67. a national poll with only 1200 participants?

That's 24 people per state. And national elections are decided on a state by state basis. That doesn't seem like a large enough sample group to base anything on.

[Zambero]

82. Yes it is, within its margin of error

For any state poll, 24 responses would be too small of a sample size, but for a national poll it's more than an adequate representation, albeit of land line phone users. Since exclusive cell phone users tend to be demographically younger and likely more inclined to support Obama over Clinton, these results might be slightly skewed in Hillary's favor.

[BanzaiBonnie]

70. And when people said they were tired of negative campaigning

Apparently Hillary was advised to take it as negative as possible.

[Darth_Kitten]

71. Newsweek? LOL..........thanks, dear.

n/t

Funny, I thought they were neck and neck? Oh, I'm just one of the great unwashed Hillary supporters, so what do I know? :sarcasm:

[Colobo]

76. Obama will make us proud. He'll be the nominee, and the president.

[F.Gordon]

77. Same poll shows both beating McLame

Among all registered voters, including Republicans, she did about as well as Obama against McCain. Obama bests McCain by 4 points (48 percent to 44 percent), and Clinton also wins by 4 points (47 to 43 percent).

This "poll" did manage to inject a RW (and now.. LW) bobble head talking point....

One of the more devastating results for Clinton was that a majority of all registered voters now see her as dishonest and untrustworthy.

[blue sky at night]

84. it would be so nice to see him smoke her......

and end this stupid period of infighting. I am getting ready to donate and buy a bunch of yard signs and bumper stickers.

[Richard D]

86. Personally,

If I never see the bush or clinton name again, I won't be disappointed at all.

[dailykoff]

87. Looks like the surge isn't working.

Next: terror alert! :crazy:

[jwirr]

89. It seems crime may pay but dirty politics seems to have fallen by

the wayside. FINALLY

[liberaldem4ever]

90. K & R!!

[nankerphelge]

91. bye bye HRC

n/t