MSNBC is on the turn

[sunonmars]

Is MSNBC on the Turn, i cant believe this, I’m laughing

The main Headline smack on the front page

THE WIMP FACTOR?

As Obama’s patriotism is questioned, he’s starting to look more and more like John Kerry in ‘04.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/
www.newsweek.com/id/132566

The specter of John Kerry in 2004 is beginning to haunt the Democrats in 2008. It is the specter of wimpy campaigns past. It showed up, like Banquo’s ghost, at the debate Wednesday night in Philadelphia, particularly when Hillary Clinton joined with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson to nip away at the edges of Barack Obama’s patriotism. Between the questions about Obama’s meager association with William Ayers, a former Weatherman, and the suspicions raised by his lack of a flag lapel pin, the likely nominee is slowly being turned into John Kerry. He is becoming, in other words, a candidate who may be mostly right about national security but who will lack the Red State street cred to carry his point—and the election.

[McCamy Taylor]

1. It's because he said he won't debate Hillary. I told you last night he would regret it.

That man has no political savvy at all. It makes him look like a chicken.

[ericgtr]

3. 21 debates isn't enough, how many does he really need?

And when he walked into a 3 on 1 tag team he's expect to "take it and like it" then be happy to do it again?

[sunonmars]

5. lol, what cheek, the msnbc debate was worse, russert, obama and flakey.

double standards, and yet, Hillary stood up to all 3, whalloped them and didnt complain.

[ericgtr]

10. She didn't complain eh?

She herself bitched about it every fucking day for two solid weeks. What, were you in a Coma?

[Iceburg]

37. produce a video of Hillary complaining to prove your allegation; until then quit whining/nt

[JackORoses]

17. what Hillary whine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c79TEhQUIxU

[ericgtr]

47. LOL... That probably took all of 5 seconds to find.

[Bjorn Against]

55. Not only did she whine, she whined about a SOFTBALL QUESTION

Just about any candidate would love to get that question in a debate, it allows them to talk about an issue that is important to a lot of voters without having to go on the defensive. It was an easy question, and she still whines about it.

[dchill]

21. "...didnt complain."

Where's that ostrich graphic? :crazy:

[movonne]

19. Maybe all 3 networks are sticking together...they don't want the

likes of us to get the upper hand... we just might try and put restrictions on them...

[Maribelle]

45. Obama thought it was just fine when he was part of the 4 on one tag team against Hillary, right.

This big crybaby act of Obama's is making the Democrats look extremely weak.

[blm]

46. Can you explain how Hillary got the nickname Tonya Harding? Thanks in advance.

.

[golddigger]

50. Can you explain how Obama got the nickname Deval Patrick? Thanks for playing.

[blm]

52. Never heard it - but IF YOU believe it, is it because they 'all look the same' to you?

Hillary Tonya Harding Clinton - thug AND whiner.

[scheming daemons]

4. Um... originally, HE agreed to NC debate and SHE declined.... now it is too late...

21 debates is more than enough.

[zulchzulu]

7. He just debated her sorry ass a couple days ago

What is it now...a debate ever day or so.

Hillary proved she plays dirty, lies her ass off and even when about to be slayed and let go (as Obama did on the Bosnia story), she kept coming back like a MONSTER.

She's toast and she knows it.

If it IS a debate with union-backed people who know her lies about NAFTA and China MFN, I'd say let's debate.

But if it anything like the Philly Psychobabble Show, she can debate herself somewhere. She has opposing opinions on just about every issue depending on where she is.

[sunonmars]

9. whine whine whine

[blm]

16. Ever wonder why Hillary earned the name TONYA HARDING? Hahahahahah

Clintons are the biggest COWARDS in the the Dem party. They feared BushInc so much they would undermine other Democrats just to deliver protection to the bushes, just as they did throughout the 90s.

Fucking cowards - deep-sixing all the TRULY BRAVE EFFORTS of those few honest Democrats who worked for years risking their lives and careers to UNCOVER the crimes of BushInc.

Bill was such a chickenshit when it came to Poppy Bush and his powerful cronies he did everything they told him to do throughout the 90s, and still do today.

Fucking cowards.

[zulchzulu]

25. Hehehe...how's it feel to back a LOSER n/t

:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

12. She wants to debate because her campaign is out of money.

Free air time is important to her now.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

13. Just enough savvy to erase Hillary's chances.

No pony for you.

[dchill]

18. Do you have some empirical data that shows...

that debates have done Hillary any good, lately? Political savvy is that you don't debate if you don't have to - so if Obama DID agree to another debate, THAT would make him appear weak, also, right?

[cliffordu]

22. Complete bullshit.

You know if he'd called her on every shitty little thing like the Colombians, the $800,000, Bill 'n China you'd say he was abusing her...

And then she'd play the girl card again and then you'd say he was sexist....

Just like before...

Ya can't have it both ways,

Is she presidential material or a liar about Bosnia???

Oh, yeah, and SCREW the little people.....

[pompano]

38. Because he won't debate Hillary.......

After the last debate what should he expect? Who in the heck could blame him?

I could see it now. The next debate would be in downtown Little Rock and the 3 moderators would be...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Bill, Chelesea, Hannity.... and the 3 alternates,
Rush, Rove, Scarborough.

Boy, it didn't take long to type her friends list.

Oops, forgot one. Director of Questions will be Leibermann.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Please!

Knowing Obama he would probably win that one to?

[ericgtr]

2. They won't turn Olbermann..Besides, Colbert said it best..

"The media doesn't want this thing to end" They'll beat the dead horse issues into dust before they will move on to real news.

[dchill]

27. Exactly right...

and I'll bet Colbert doesn't want it to end right now, either. ;)

[AllentownJake]

6. The whole media is on the turn

This has been awesome for their ratings...they don't want the circus to end.

[blm]

8. Kerry beat the snot out of Bush in every matchup - life and the debates. RNC stole it for Bush and

the DNC run by Clinton loyalist Terry McAuliffe sat on their hands for four years and LET the RNC do it.

There isn't a braver lawmaker in DC than John Kerry - under machine gunfire or uncovering and exposing government corruption - corruption covered up by the COWARDS of the Dem party throughout the 90s who feared going against BushInc.

[dchill]

29. "sat on their hands for four years..."

to set it up for Hillary in '08. Hence the WHINING about "It's her turn!" Wrong. It's OUR turn.

[karynnj]

42. Hey - HRC was under sniper fire not John Kerry !

This is asinine and is using what was in reality a myth that the various Clinton people all propigated in the wake of the 2004 election. The fact is that Kerry was NEVER a "wimp", he ran a strong campaign against a media that wanted him to lose, various religious groups against him because of abortion and gay marriage and he very narrowly lost. Maybe if the complicit media would have had the grace to ask the SBVT for any proof that the official Navy record was wrong, rather than demanding that Kerry prove (not just by pointing to the record) that they were wrong.

As soon as the election was over a certain oafish former President spoke of how Kerry lost because he was weak on national security! Actually, Kerry had written legislation that Clinton and the Republicans did not back that would have provided tools to stop the international money laundering that provided OBL with world wide easy access to money. This was one product of Kerry's work on BCCI - which he helped shut down even when it meant going outside the Senate to the Justice department and then to a Manhattan DA. That legislation was incorporated into the Patriot Act. It has led to some of the few successes we've had against non-state terrorism. Do you think it was maybe protecting Clinton that kept Kerry from making more of an issue of this?

What you have is a pundit class that by and large never served and people like the Clintons, Bushes and Cheneys who were too elitist to serve. The fact of the matter is that every single one of those people who have the audacity to call a highly decorated war hero a wimp deserve to be called on it - they are shameful. Not only that they KNOW he's a better person than they are.

As to the Clintons - HRC bringing up this issue with Obama needs to think that Kerry could have piled on to her husband when he was being hit by questions on the draft - it would have been easy for him to self righteously quote Bill Clinton's "loathing the military" letter - which likely did offend Kerry. Instead he gave a speech from his heart begging people not to tear the party apart over Vietnam in the nomination fight. From the words - I've never seen a broadcast of it - you can sense how heart felt it was. Do you thing that HRC feels one bit of remorse as she tears the party apart because she refuses to run a principled campaign for the Presidency. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5197294 )

There are many ways to show strength and Kerry has over his entire life - in the service, protesting and in the Senate. Hunter Thompson described Kerry in his endorsement in Rolling Stone as a "brave man with a good heart". This was less than a month before the election. No one has captured the elections of since 1972 better than Thompson - getting to their essence. Kerry was incredible in those fall rallies and the debates - with a fairer media or even enough voting machines in Ohio - he would have pulled off an upset.Maybe the media needs to look back at the actual accounts written of the 1992 campaign while it was happening or look at the mess that the Clintons made of primaries set up to make it near impossible for them to lose. Kerry has more strength of character and integrity than the two Clintons added together and multiplied by 1000.

[Life Long Dem]

11. Boy I'll be glad when she is done.

[cliffordu]

34. meeee toooooo

shit.


:banghead:

[ErinBerin84]

14. not surprising

Haha, MSNBC has been pretty anti-Obama for a while in the daytime. jonathan capehart, julie from houston chronicle, etc. olbermann won't turn, joe scarbs turned long time ago. Matthews has been been turning for the last four weeks. Again, completely predictable.

Ok, I'm an Obama supporter, but there is some story on the front page of Huffington, under "story developing", with HILLARY SLAMS DEMOCRATIC ACTIVISTS!! I have a feeling this is going to be something really stupid. When did the huffington post become the NY post in the headline department?

[Bensthename]

15. It's all about ratings...

They need to keep this going to pay for their mansions. And keep McCain in office to keep those tax cuts.

[NightOwwl]

20. Keep it up...

The more the media piles it on, the better he looks. Instead of raising doubts, they are confirming he is absolutely right about the politics of distraction and divisivness.

[Texas Hill Country]

23. lolz

[Avalux]

24. Stupid. Obama CAN'T attack a woman. He can attack John McCain and he will.

They can try to paint him into the sterotypical Democratic candidate corner but it isn't going to work.

[blm]

33. Especially a woman who cries and whines as much as HillaryTonya HardingClinton does.

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[cliffordu]

35. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

:patriot:

[golddigger]

51. DING DING DING We have two oscar Meyer weiners!!!

[cliffordu]

53. SO: Do you think you'll leave here after she steps down??

Or are you going to hang out until the General Election??

[ClassWarrior]

54. Did you see her new campaign sticker?

NGU.

[goletian]

26. stupid.

obamas not gonna waste his time with tabloid debates when he can go around the country and talk about REAL issues with potential voters. going on tv to talk about flag pins, how much wright loves america, and what some guy was doing while obama was eating his fruit loops and watchin saturday mornin cartoons as a kid is a waste of fuckin time. the wimp shit is manufactured bullshit that will not stick, just like NONE of the bs hillary and the far right whackos have tried to push has.

[gateley]

28. More absurd -- they had "Finger-gate" on the front page.

Complete with a video clip. Don't see it now, so maybe there was mass outrage....or maybe I just don't see it.

[dchill]

30. "On the turn?" What the hell do you see as "turning?"

This has been the MO of the media pundit class all along. Nail the frontrunner, keep it going, don't let anybody get too far ahead. It's good business, and it's politics as usual. If you'd just squint a little, it might dislodge those scales over your eyes.

[cliffordu]

36. Yep - gotta keep the churn going

Attack the front runner, keep it close....keep the ratings up....


We love us some football......

[Alhena]

31. Look what OP just posted on Hillaryis44.org ...

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=580

moononpluto Says:

April 18th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I posted the msnbc front page over at DU, they are going apeshit over bambi being called John Kerry part 2.

- end quote -

Oh well, another troll for the ignore file.

[Buzz Clik]

39. The OP? As in sunonmars?

That shit is an automatic Alert and granite cookie waiting to happen.

[melody]

32. Clinton claims the press hates her so they have to suck up like the GOP came up with "liberal media"

It forced a decided bias in favor of them.

Hillary learned from her masters.

[L0oniX]

40. I suspect that either David Brooks or Pat Buchanan is behind this.

David Brooks makes a habit of attacking anyone who accuses journalists and or pundits (I don't know what to call those ass carrots on ABC) of doing what they did on the ABC debate. :grr:

[KoKo]

41. Some Hack on Matthews compared Obama to Adlai Stevenson...but who the hell remembers Adlai

Stevenson. :eyes: It was pitiful...

[karynnj]

43. Kerry ran a brilliant race to get the nomination unlike HRC who had a much simpler race to win

She had the party and the media and a primary schedule designed to make it impossible for anyone else to compete. Kerry's general election included 3 excellent debates and a positive inspiring convention. HRC clearly saw 2004, she has lifted any number of words and positions - what she will never have is his integrity or character.

[blm]

44. Hillary was TOO AFRAID of Kerry to be on a debate stage with him and too AFRAID of Bush in 2004

when he and Rove were at their most powerful.

NOW she wants to PRETEND she bravely opposed Bush the last 8 years as if Dem voters are too dumb to recall the last 8 years of her COWARDLY behavior in the senate.

[smiley_glad_hands]

48. John Kerry is honorable and a true American Hero.

Still spinning republican frames? The Hill campaign truly looks more and more freeperish every day.

[tokenlib]

49. John Kerry came damn close....

..so all this Kerry bashing by the MSM is idiotic. He won more democratic votes than any other presidential candidate in history.