Noonan: Gone will be the "pantsuits that made her look like a small blond man with breasts"

[rainbow4321]

Ouch.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120846056666123713.html?mod=todays_columnists



Mrs. Clinton is transmitting, but people aren't receiving. She has been branded, tagged. She's been absorbed, understood and categorized. People have decided what they think, and it's not good.


It took George W. Bush five years to get to that point. It took her five intense months. Political historians will say her campaign sank with the mad Bosnia lie, but Bosnia broke through only because it expressed, crystallized, what people had already begun to think: too much mendacity there, too much manipulation.

<snip>

The next day the Washington Post had its latest numbers. A "majority of voters now view her as dishonest," it said, bluntly. Six in 10 said she was "not honest or trustworthy." Which itself doesn't tell us, really, anything new, but concretizes, like the Bosnia story, what is already known.

This is what I think will happen. At some future point Mrs. Clinton will leave, and at a more distant one she will try to come back. But more than one cycle will have to pass before she does. She'll need more than four years to shake off the impression she made in 2008. And this is how you'll know she's making another bid for the presidency. She will wear skirts. Gone will be the pantsuits that made her look like a small blond man with breasts. It's the new me, I wear skirts! Her first impulse is to think cosmetically. A long and weary life in politics has left her thinking this is the way to think.

[MichiganVote]

1. Sen. Clinton may not meet all my standards but I don't judge a book by its cover..er...pants

[meow mix]

2. "a small blond man with breasts"

:spray:

new keyboard plz..

[babylonsister]

3. Ouch is right. I still don't like Noonan. nt

[K Gardner]

4. As spot-on as the rest of this was, even her criticism of Obama, the remark about

Hillary's appearance was uncalled for and unnecessary. It absolutely served no legitimate purpose.

[ColbertWatcher]

5. Is this Reagan's Noonan? writing for Murdoch's WSJ? n/t

[BeatleBoot]

6. She's a Space Cadet.

[Eric J in MN]

7. Cheap cracks by a Republican speechwriter...

...aren't why I visit DU.

[Cleita]

8. Pantsuits are not the issue. What a moronic thing to say.

A working woman works better in pants no matter what she does unless she's a Flamenco dancer. I really hate this sexist criticism. It makes me want to yell at her to campaign in overalls if she wants to. I mean wearing a skirt may mean sixteen to twenty hours in pantyhose and even a girdle, not to mention the high heel shoes. I can't imagine any woman wanting to do that when she has to compete with men unless they too agree to wear the same items on the campaign trail. I'm not a Hillary fan but this kind of criticism is stupid. Women like Peggy Noonan are the reason that women haven't gained as much equality as they should because of the baggage of one of their own picking on them.

[Clark2008]

69. While I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying...

I think the reason Hillary opts for pants is because the world makes fun of her, um... large legs. She's not a large person, but her legs are kind of out of proportion.

That said... I don't care if her legs are too big, too small or the wrong color. I couldn't give two shits.

I'm just pointing out that Hill can't win either way: if she wears pants, she looks like a man. If she wears skirts, then the media will talk about her big thighs.

It's still a very sexist world.

[Arkana]

9. They had me until the crack about Hillary's appearance.

Dislike her for the way she's run her campaign all you want...but insulting her appearance is really just stupid and unnecessary.

[milkyway]

10. Noonan, like most rightwing elitists, is unbearable. I wonder what she thinks of her boyfriend W's

war right now.

At first she complains that Clinton waited too long to get serious, and from that Noonan transitions into the nasty line quoted in the OP, and how Hillary will come back to run for the presidency wearing skirts. What a serious observation by such a profound Serious Journalist!

And then this snooty elitist has the absolute gall to talk about Obama's two problems: his youth (obviously a fair argument, given one paragraph), and the elitism of Barack and Michelle Obama (given four paragraphs).

[SeattleGirl]

11. Ooooh, quite uncalled for!

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[goclark]

12. This is an example of a hit piece that her friends

the Rethugs will throw at her.

That isn't a nice thing to do but this is the exact same way HC plays the game.

[reflection]

13. I've always admired Noonan

but this is pretty sad. Very unindicative of her other work.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

16. "I've always admired Noonan"

Did you make a wrong left turn to get here?

[Cha]

18. Really! That had me doing a double take

at my screen.. what was it the poster "admired"? The way she fawned over the chimptard and gushing about what a resolute president(sic) he was.?

I don't actually remember her writing that but didn't they all?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

20. I think it was a free glimpse into the poster's soul.

:puke:

[Cha]

32. OH boy!

The poster's soul!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

48. Well, his sleaze quotient, then.

:*

[reflection]

68. I neither require nor seek your validation.

Though I am open to opinions other than my own.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

89. Hey, admire whatever lowlife slease who appeals to you.

Knock yourself out, Sleepy.

[reflection]

41. I think she is a phenomenal speechwriter.

Reagrdless of who she shills for, I have always admired her ability to put forth a speech that is personally moving. Whether or not you care for her, or my opinion in general, is not relevant to me.

This sentiment applied to the posters beneath as well, who speculate that my soul is tainted because I find her to be excellent at her craft. :eyes:

If you want a look into my soul, as W so craptacularly did with Pootie-poot, check out my sorry excuse for a "journal". My 1st post is in there which basically explains my thought process. You can search the rest if you are so inclined, but be forewarned, there's not much interesting there. :)

Edit for typos and bad punctuation.

[OzarkDem]

46. She's a bit of a plagiarist

IIRC some of the lines she used in the speech that Reagan gave in response to the space shuttle tragedy were lifted from a poem called "High Flight".

http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/spitfire/hiflight.htm

That's one example I'm aware of, no doubt there are others.

[reflection]

47. I didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing it out.

It certainly does put a blemish on her body of work, but I stand by my overall opinion. Good read though. Thanks.

[OzarkDem]

64. No offense

but I would say her body of work is one big blemish.

Her alleged speechwriting skills are meaningless when she uses them to promote and empower leaders who harm our country, exploit the poor, steal from the middle class and otherwise damage our country and its citizens.

[reflection]

70. I hear you.

But I am trying to separate my own emotions from my viewpoints. What I felt 20 years ago was not what I felt 10 years ago, and is not what I feel now, and probably won't feel 10 years into the future.

To always be absoutely sure of your own opinion reminds me of the idiot we currently have as president.

Please note that these comments are *not* directed at you - you just happen to be the only one who decided to engage in a serious discussion. I'll let you have the last word while I go ride bikes with my girls.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

49. Yeah, I'll rush right over to your journal for more.

:daily: :weekly: :tv: :radio: :web:

[Hepburn]

58. I think you are on the wrong forum.

[reflection]

66. Noted. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. Some Say Hitler Was A Brilliant Orator And He Wrote His Own Speeches

What good is great speech in the servive of something ignoble?

I'm not comparing Reagan with Hitler but suggesting good speechwriting and bad intent are not mutually exclusive...

[TahitiNut]

38. Huh?

:puke:

[OzarkDem]

40. Huh?

Most Democrats can't stand her. What do you find about her that is even remotely appealing?

[reflection]

42. Post 41. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. Was It Her Speech Writing For Ronald Reagan That Earned Your Admiration

~

[reflection]

76. Most of her effective work

was done within the context of Bush I's campaign. I believe she coined the phrases "thousand points of light" and "kindler, gentler nation". Those two phrases don't exactly tickle my underarriage, but there's no denying that they were powerful political soundbites which helped to shape the debate.

All I'm saying is, I have always admired her *skill*. Within the context of the OP's thread (pantsuits and skirts), I am dissapointed that she would write something so inconsequential and vapid.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

90. "Pantsuits" disappoints you but "thousand points of light" turns you on?

Youre doing parody!

[reflection]

93. Sigh. Read it once more,

look at your question again, and tell me where you went wrong. There's only five lines of text you have to plow through. :think:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

95. You went wrong when you turned left instead of right.

But that's OK, long as you don't openly advocate Repubes
instead of their shallow, sleazebucket speechwriters. :*

[reflection]

96. Congratulations.

You are subscribing to the same 'with-us-or-agin-us' paradigm that serves the dunce in the Oval Office so well.

I sense you are the sort of person who skims only the parts of newspapers and internet sites that already conform to your limited worldview.

Would that you could understand there is something most everybody can offer to the state of discourse, you might find yourself a bit less myopic and perhaps somewhat enlightened.

Work on that. It will be good for you and the people around you that love you.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

98. Learn to take a compliment. I admire your parody of amoral relativism.

:-)

[reflection]

99. I hardly think it was a compliment. n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

101. Peace, reflection. You seem like a sweetheart.

Sorry for riding you about your :puke: taste in speechwriters.
:hi:

[merh]

14. I don't like how Senator Clinton has run her campaign

I don't like her negatives and she is not, imho, the better of the two candidates in this primary, BUT - I think this article is awful.

[Jane Austin]

22. It's pure propaganda.

See comment # 21.

[last1standing]

15. Great! We need more right wing propaganda at DU.

Thanks for sharing. :eyes:

[democrat2thecore]

17. It's true though - Much like her name! (Story inside)

She was Hillary Rodham during Bill's first term as Governor of Arkansas. The people of Ark didn't like it and it played a HUGE role in Bill's boot after term 1. During his comeback campaign against Frank White she used, and made it known she wanted to be called (true - look it up) "Mrs. Bill Clinton." Then, it was just Hillary Clinton. After Bill's rise to the presidency - she wanted to be known as Hillary Rodham-Clinton. She runs for (and serves in) the U.S. Senate using both. She runs for president in 2008 using "Hillary Clinton."

So, no, I don't think Noonan is too far off. Though, it was rather tacky in how it was said.

[DURHAM D]

19. Peggy is a very sick version of a human being. eom

[Jane Austin]

21. Good Grief.

First Noonan creates a (imaginary) scenario for Sen. Clinton, then she gives us all the thinking that (she imagines) goes into every aspect of the (imagined) scenario and why Sen. Clinton (she imagines) thinks these particular (imaginary) things, and then she puts the cherry on top by telling us that when Sen. Clinton does all this, exactly what this entirely Noonan-generated and Noonan-imagined scenario tells us about Sen. Clinton and her motives.

And that, Dear Friends, is what is known as propaganda.

[McCamy Taylor]

23. Peggy Noonan quoted at DU! Quick kill it before it multiplies!

:scared:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

54. bwah-ha-ha!

n/t

[TexasLady]

24. this potato head is just that AND

a real prick.

[madrchsod]

25. oh shit another woman i can`t say what i think

[jillan]

26. And we are posting a link to a RW wacko that is trashing one of our candidates...because??

[Paladin]

27. I Keep Thinking That Noonan Can't Get Any Worse....

....and she keeps proving me wrong.

I'm repeating myself, but let me say it once more: if you'll go to the high school nearest you and get the latest student paper, you will find better journalistic skills there than Peggy Noonan can ever hope to attain. How a brain-dead, talent-free, Reagan corpse-worshipping nonentity like her managed to get a position at the WSJ is absolutely astounding. I'll tell you how bad she is: Peggy Noonan makes Maureen Dowd look like a competent journalist.

If I never see another word written by her, I'll be happy.....

[Blondiegrrl]

28. Peggy Noonan needs to STFU and get back to stroking the freepers.

I despise Hillary but that "skirts vs. pantsuits" crap was uncalled for.

[kwenu]

29. Peggy Noonan is a jackass-ess but it is true that we all pretty much know what she's selling and

most of us aren't buying. It has nothing to do with pantsuits.

[splat]

30. Praising the woman who wrote Reagan's 'Morning in America' line. Great.

Anybody to stoke the Hillary hate, eh? Pathetic.

[TexanDem]

31. BS on the skirts and pants! That's really tacky on Noonan's part!

[AspenRose]

33. That's beyond offensive.

x(

[Frank Booth]

34. Noonan's a bitter shrew.

[yellowcanine]

35. Feh. I refuse to read anything by the Nooner whore.

[blogslut]

36. Cheap shot, Peggy

But then, that is your job. High-minded low blows.

[madmom]

37. and Laura is so becoming in her pants suits.

[kskiska]

79. Shhhhhh. No one ever mentions Laura's pantsuits.

[davidpdx]

39. Noonan can be mildly amusing from time to time

but this was a pretty cheap shot. I also think she's wrong about Clinton running again, I honestly don't think she (Clinton) has much creditability left and will likely be resolved to taking a Senate leadership role until she retires in Jan 2019 or 2025.

[Stephanie]

43. She'll be too old to wear skirts.

Or leather jackets, Peggy.

[Danger Mouse]

44. More WSJ rw garbage.

[ruggerson]

45. So it's fine for a liberal to call her a whore

but bad for a Republican shill to diss her pantsuits.

I'm just trying to follow the logic here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

55. you've got a point....

What Noonan said was downright nice compared to what Hillary gets on MSNBC, etc.

[Prophet 451]

57. No, it isn't

Certain forms of attack are over the line. Call me old-fashioned but there needs to be some standard of civility.

[anonymous171]

50. w..t...f

:wtf:

[symbolman]

51. This from a person

with teeth like a picket fence...

Bone Woman shouldn't be throwing stones, at least Hillary LOOKS like a woman...

Tho I'm for Obama I still think this is over the top :)

[tishaLA]

52. Enough already with the WSJ op-eds

I hate it when they are anti-Obama (i.e., Fund's the other day) and anti-Clinton. We end up rallying around RW talking points.

[TragedyandHope]

53. Don't give into the temptation to adopt false RW imagery

It doesn't do us any good and it can cut both ways.

[Prophet 451]

56. That was a cheap shot

Attacking Hillary's dress sense is pretty low, even for Noonan.

[aquart]

59. Sounds just like an Obama supporter. Why is that?

[SammyWinstonJack]

88. ...

:evilgrin:

[GoesTo11]

60. Anyone remember who Peggy called a "hottie in his flight suit"?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

61. She stole that line from Tweety.

[JeffR]

62. Noonan sucks ass.

If I ever agreed with anything she said, even once, even about a candidate I oppose, I'd have to rethink my entire worldview. She's that bad.

[eridani]

63. Noonan is a superficial shitstain

Pantsuits and flag pins--she'd fit right in at ABC.

[Skwmom]

65. Murdoch's paper with an OP ED to elicit sympathy for Clinton.

There must be a primary coming up.

[bigtree]

67. I love the way Noonan is now acceptable here because she's insulting Hillary Clinton

this should be locked for using and promoting a right-wing source

[dailykoff]

71. If it was Dowd insulting Obama there'd be three threads an hour

including yours.

[bigtree]

80. Right-wing apologist, Peggy Noonan. She's the subject of this post, not Dowd.

pay attention.

[dailykoff]

81. No the subject is Hillary's clown suits

and it's pretty tame stuff compared to what she should be writing.

[bigtree]

82. The subject is your opportunistic use of this right-wing apologist

. . . to ridicule our Democratic candidate . . . and you're apparently enthralled with her. How embarrassing for you.

[dailykoff]

83. I'm simply correcting your "misstatement."

I know how tired you must be. :evilgrin:

[bigtree]

84. I'm not too tired to recognize a right-wing shill (Noonan)

. . . and her champion here.

[dailykoff]

85. They're just about all right-wing shills

but you only "recognize" the ones who go off the reservation.

[bigtree]

86. one shill

at a time

[powergirl]

73. Obama supporter here - Don't listen to anything Ms. Noonan has to say, she's a RW Hack

She was a Reagan speech writer. She wrote a screed about Hillary Clinton that was criticized by the publishing world. She is as useful as Newsmax and Fox. Blech! :puke:

[Orsino]

75. This is what passes for discourse in the WSJ.

Noonan, blowing the lid off Skirtgate.

[QC]

78. Unfortunately, it's also what passes for intelligent commentary at DU now. n/t

[febreze]

77. kick n/t

[LowerManhattanite]

87. You know...I hope Chelsea clinton catches Noonan's...

...keening, human swizzle-stick ass in a Beltway bathroom and handles her the way she should be for this shitty little crack. Bill can't do it as it'd be too rough and an uneven match, but Chelsea could step up and put this drunken, moon-eyed sot where she oughtta be for this—whether you're a Clinton supporter or not.


Fig. 1. The old-school Pam Grier slap in the grille:

“Pyow!”

Then,

Fig. 2 A kick in the gut.

“Hnnnngh!”

Finally, the coup de grace...

Fig. 3. Finish with the deep-conditioning, Queen Latifah toilet-drowning.


Regardless of what you may think of Senator Clinton, Noonan's out of line here. Big time.

:)

[superkia]

91. When Noonan spoke about Clintons looks, she just left everyone...

thinking of HER actions instead of Clintons and just wasted time saying anything at all...not very bright!

[Dr Fate]

92. Fuck off you pill freak. n/t

n/t

[Rene]

94. What an ass Peggy Noonan is !!!!

[whatchamacallit]

97. BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Awesome! Never thought I'd be lovin me some Peggy Noonan...:rofl:

[Stinky The Clown]

100. Dear Ms Nooner ..... get yer shit straight

People were over Hillary Clinton back in the 90s.

It was in all the papers.

No shit, Peg. I ain't making it up.