How can Hillary Clinton win a General Election without the Dem base/grassroots behind her?

[TeamJordan23]

The Answer is: She Doesn't.

There goes her electability argument.

[TML]

1. She'll never get my vote

She might as well switch parties now.

[papau]

37. ?But she will always get my vote - and I am as much the base as anyone

[goldcanyonaz]

41. You realize that that goes both ways?

[ScarletSniper]

71. Ditto. Never.

[tokenlib]

2. Hillary and her DLC cronies think we've nowhere else to go...

And after 8 years of Bush--she might be right. Though I wouldn't be a part of it.

But Barack will win the nomination--so we need not face that choice.

[jackson_dem]

4. Fact: DLC cronies prefer Obama

[Moochy]

7. Conjecture: Jackson_dem will stop posting sillyness after june

[tokenlib]

19. The DLC machine=the Clinton machine n/t

[jackson_dem]

24. In "netroots" fantasy land. In reality Obama has more DLC support than Clinton

[jackson_dem]

3. Fact: More Dems will defect from Obama than Clinton

So you are saying Obama can't win...

The "netroots" isn't the Dem base.

[burythehatchet]

18. you keep believing that. I'm sure you 'll be backing lotsa winners.

[jackson_dem]

25. That is what every poll shows...

[papau]

40. not really - just about all polls show 22% of the supporters of either will walk, with

some showing Hillary votes the most likely to vote otherwise (seniors and women over 40 and white males under $50,000 annual income)

not having Hillary on ticket will kill chances in the fall.

[jackson_dem]

50. There is usually a gap of about 10-15 points in Hill supporters being more likely to walk

[democracy1st]

27. Man you lie more than the Clintons

:wtf:

[jackson_dem]

28. Show me one GE poll that has Obama retaining more Dem support than Clinton

Don't believe all the fairy tales.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

5. Ahem. Ermm, clears throat, it's the grassroots as in supporting the Democratic party for decades

that are behind her.

It's the political grassroots that have kept the Democratic party viable, who have gone door to door, made the calls, attended every meeting, supported their local city council, house district or state senator that support her.

Now the people who regret voting for Bush and switched parties, well they're more like grass seedlings. :evilgrin:

[crankychatter]

22. right, move-ons a bunch of disaffected republicans

keep scraping...

I'm sure in YOUR dimension... that's a reality

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

30. moveon is a relative newcomer and lost plenty of supporters with their

far too early support of a primary candidate.

[PM7nj]

42. Moveon was formed in 1998 to DEFEND BILL CLINTON

Also, they only endorsed Obama because he won every single straw poll they conducted. Us MoveOn members voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

59. Ah, OK.

I joined them in 1998. And contributed a lot. And discontinued my financial support when they decided that they wanted to influence the primary, rather than support whoever the Democratic nominee was.

I got an email from them asking that I not remove myself from the email list.

I wasn't the only long time Democrat who did so. But, what does it matter anyway? :toast:

[Algorem]

6. that's not what your mother said last night.

you know,after the lovin'.

[DURHAM D]

8. The candidate without the base is Obama.

Women, boomers, older Americans, working class/blue collar (the people Obama supporters like to call uneducated), gays and gay friends, and Latinos.

Obama has AAs and elitist - as in latte drinkers and the white guys who apparently hate their parents and grandparents (all the old people). They also hate women but they are not really Democrats but libertarians, greens, Naderites, independents, unaffiliated, so called progressives (whatever that means) and generally act like bullies and like to call people names like conservatives, racists, stupid, etc That should work out well for the Dem Party going forward.

[Cant trust em]

14. Honestly, how can you decry name calling when you use the term elitists?

[DURHAM D]

20. About name calling -

it comes easer now. I learned it from the wankers that are the Obama supporters.

[Cant trust em]

29. Great, so you're no better than the people that you disdain

I hope your journey into hypocrisy is a quick one.

[madrchsod]

17. really?

he has raised more money than hillary. he`s ahead in the popular vote and delegates...yup he has no base

[DontTreadOnMe]

21. Silly Post!

"The candidate without the base is Obama. "

How can someone be in the lead without a base?

It is really sad to see Democrats become so blinded. This could very well be the end of the Democratic Party.
Will progressives continue to support the Democratic Party if they lose this GE. The gross amount of infighting within the
Democratic Party will become a major issue in the near future and could easily produce a legitimate third party.

[jackson_dem]

26. Every poll shows that more Dems will defect if Obama is the nominee

He has a shot at matching Mondale, who coughed up 24% of Democrats.

[kid a]

33. Your post is just all fucked up. Obama IS your first sentence. PERIOD. Open your eyes...

[WillyT]

58. Wow... Project Much ???

:wtf:

[cliffordu]

9. SHE CANT.

SHE'S

TOAST!!!!!


:nuke:

[jackson_dem]

10. The "netroots" are insignificant. The "netroots" couldn't deliver anything to Edwards

[cliffordu]

11. keep watching....

[quantass]

64. .

[RBInMaine]

12. She just totally isolated the party base WHILE insulting EVERYONE who caucused.

[madrchsod]

13. nope...

she has to have the the people she has dissed...she`ll have to do a lot of apologizing.

[Atman]

15. She DOESN'T CARE. If she can't be prez, she wants McCain to have it.

Her entire campaign is based upon NOT LETTING OBAMA GET ELECTED. She could give a flying fuck about anything else, including her country. It's all ego-driven.

.

[melody]

16. Her theory is we'll be forced to vote for her because the only alternative is McCain

And she'll smirk all the way to the White House, with her little white noise in the air.

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[cbayer]

47. Why sink to a racist statement?

Do you think your candidate would do that?

[melody]

60. WHAT RACIST STATEMENT? It's a reference to a popular children's -- oh, never mind

I refer to a cocky, proud BUNNY RABBIT's "little white nose."

I am white -- it was no reference to her being white!

[cbayer]

62. I apologize if I misread your intent.

Tensions run high here. We so not always think carefully about our posts and responses to others posts. I regret that I did not consider that you may have meant something different.

[melody]

63. That's okay, believe me, I understand. No hard feelings n/t

[Bonobo]

23. How dare she bring us up as in "Some of his supporters".

When did a candidate ever complain about a rival's supporters?

WTF?

[cbayer]

54. When did a candidate's supporters ever behave like this?

I think Obama cringes when (if) he ever sees how some of his supporters behave. I have never seen a campaign in which the supporters of a candidate have behaved so diametrically opposed to what their candidate represents. He is about inclusion. He rises above the fray. He doesn't take the bait. He feels no need to make personal attacks.

[McCamy Taylor]

31. The working class, unions, blue collar, Latinos and women are not the base?

:dem:

You have to have a college degree, have time to stand around a caucus all day to be the base?

[ej510]

35. I am the base of the party. The base of the party that is the most loyal of the voters in the party.

That would be african americans.

[PM7nj]

44. They are, but only part.

And unfortunately they are not the most loyal either. On the other hand, Obama has probably the 2 most loyal groups of the Democratic base: African Americans and the grassroots activists.

[AJH032]

32. How can Barack obama win a General Election without the Dem base/grassroots behind him?

The Answer is: He doesn't.

There goes his electability argument.

[papau]

43. Seniors/women over 40 will walk - and Obama loses

[EFerrari]

67. No, we won't. He'll be fine. n/t

[ScarletSniper]

72. Not this over 40 women..lol

[Medusa]

36. No.

No chance in hell.

[bigwillq]

38. She can't.

That was a bad move on her part.

[goldcanyonaz]

39. And, how does Obama? He doesn't. Feel better now?

[jobycom]

45. She's still got a better chance than Obama.

There's only so many times he can screw up a debate that badly and get away with it by blaming the questions. Eventually people will see through him.

If Obama supporters are lucky, it will be before the GE. That way they can blame Clinton for the loss, rather than watching him betray them in the White House and having to admit they are wrong.

[Kesaco]

46. How can Obama win the General Election

without the support of Clinton supporters? It's the same question. Both sides need each other in order to win the General Election.

[MindMatter]

48. By naming Lieberman as running mate

They can get 90% of the Weasels-and-snakes-37-and-over demographic

[MindMatter]

49. And some people would still blame that loss on Nader

[oasis]

51. Dump 'em if they're a drag. There's plenty of Indies to take their place. (eom)

[anonymous171]

69. lol. Hillary has absolutely no indie appeal.

None whatsoever. Same with crossovers, that's why the repugs want to run against her. And now it looks like she won't even have activists to work the phones for her.

[Quixote1818]

52. This does enough damage to make me really worry about her elect-ability

in the General.

[ProSense]

53. Screw 'em, and

the small states, Obama states, black voters, men voters, women for Obama voters, bitter people...

[Quixote1818]

55. About the only group she hasn't alienated is her Cult members on DU. nt

[newmajority]

70. And that's only because they need the paycheck.

Being a minimum wage "professional Hillbot" online (and bugging Liberal talk radio hosts) doesn't pay much, but it beats McDonalds. Unfortunately, due to NAFTA and other Clinton spawned trade agreements, they have no better options. :evilfrown:

[Auntie Bush]

56. How can Barack Obama win a GE when the real

true Liberal Democrats support Hillary? He has the newbies...the Indies and Rethugs...but the real Democratic base is for Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

61. And the rethugs only vote for him in the primaries. In GE polling they abandon him

We have been played...

[Auntie Bush]

65. We sure have been played. I wonder if Democrats will wake up in time?

[jackson_dem]

66. Let's hope--that would be change we can believe in!

[EFerrari]

68. Is that why she's losing? Get a grip. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

73. Reality escapes them.

I just don't get it. If I close my eyes, stick my fingers in my ears, and say "Neener, neener, neener" till the cows come home, it will not change reality.

Magical thinking never changes a thing, no matter how hard one believes in it.

[crankychatter]

57. She must plan on NOT winning... so, it's another plan... now YOU tell ME

hm?

[WinkyDink]

74. Hard-core Democrats support the nominee. PERIOD.

Eugene McCarthy had the youth vote, too.