Is the Moveon-Gate going to hurt Hillary?

[aaroh]

[FrenchieCat]

Where's the "We Don't Give A Shit" choice?

she's no longer relevant.

[RBInMaine]

4. She IS relevant. There is a long way to go. Work for Obama, She screwed up with this issue !

[jackson_dem]

11. I agree. I beg FrenchCat to keep working for Obama. Canvass for him if possible, call for him

Please! We need you French!

[goldcanyonaz]

23. Oh please, you're hope is that she comes off as a crazed lunatic....

.

[jackson_dem]

28. French? What would be the odds of that happening with her

[grantcart]

7. like a wounded animal she is actually more dangerous now

[undeterred]

16. maybe she'll gnaw her whole body off if we're lucky

[goldcanyonaz]

22. How can you have so much hate for another woman?

[cliffordu]

25. Here's the thing- I don't hate her. I hate the way she acts.

Big difference.

[anonymous171]

1. It might not hurt her with Voters, but it will hurt her with the SDs.

[doublethink]

3. Bingo. n.t.

[RBInMaine]

5. It WILL hurt her with some primary voters and it bolsters her crediblity problem.

[saltpoint]

2. Don't know for sure what impact it will have, but it does appear to

confirm that she has not been a grassroots Democrat from the git-go.

[boppers]

6. It's risking her Senate seat.

She already lost the election, now it's just a matter of how much else she loses.

[countmyvote4real]

19. She did not get my vote for a second term in 2006.

I can't envision a scenario where she ever gets my vote again other than voting against McCain if she ends up stealing the Democratic nomination. The Clintons have soiled themselves more than Obama with their negative campaign tactics. And then there is the Clintons presumed entitlement to the nomination that yielded the negative approach of her campaign in the first place.

They are now the guests that won't leave. No matter how much coffee you serve or changing into your PJs and turning out the lights, the Clintons just will not accept that the party is over. The longer she stays, the more she is not likely to be invited back for ANYTHING.

I sincerely hope that we'll be done with them sooner rather than later. Their party is over for me.

[PM7nj]

8. Short term, no. Long term, YES.

I doubt most people in PA really care about MoveOn either way. This will hurt her overall "chances" at getting the nomination and her future political career.

[la la]

24. exactly so---

many PA people don't know about MoveOn and/or don't give a rat's ass.

[jackson_dem]

9. No. The "netroots" have hated her for years. This changes nothing

[anonymous171]

13. Yes. That's why they hounded ABC for airing that P.O.S "documentary", right?

[JeffR]

14. I think you're right n/t

[Quixote1818]

18. I agree, the only thing that hurts her is saying two different things. nt

[zulchzulu]

10. It doesn't actually matter in the full scheme of things...it just shows how poisonous she is...

...to the Democratic Party.

For a candidate to WHINE and PLAY THE VICTIM because it's rare to find actual grassroots support for her ANYWHERE is pathetic. To condemn the very bones that hold a political party together is foolish. But then again, she isn't the nominee. So she chooses to try to blow up the Democratic Party because we see past her LIES.

[Emit]

12. ONLY if the media repeats it ad nauseum 24-7 like they did Wright

and only if they have the 20 second clip put on a loop

[Cosmocat]

42. Which means, not a lot ...

No way a smaller faction on the left gets the same level of treatment of importance that a small fraction on the right would get from the MSM ...

It is just another bridge that Hill has burnt along the way in a classic, republican style 51 percent campaign ...

[ericgtr]

15. Not unless the MSM runs with it

[Bluebear]

17. Oh good, we needed another "gate"

:silly:

[rucky]

20. Naw. The feeling's mutual. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

21. Disassociating with Moveon is the best thing

their membership is 1% of this country and viewed negatively by the majority of the moderate dems, indies and moderate repubs

It helps her that they disassociated with her by endorsing Obama, it show he has the far left backing.

[anonymous171]

26. MoveOn was founded to help end Bill's impeachment.

I guess that was a "far left" position.

[GoldieAZ49]

29. So?

it failed.

[krawhitham]

31. Was he removed from office?

[PBS Poll-435]

40. So..MoveOn acquitted Bill Clinton in the Senate?

[jillan]

27. In the Primary - yes. In the GE - NO!

[krawhitham]

30. She does not need to worry about the GE

[jillan]

35. Pleased to meet you ----->

[americanstranger]

32. It already has.

When you get people like Jane Hamsher (who has really tried to be fair to both candidates) concluding that 'Hillry doesn't want her vote,' you've got problems.

With the exception of the commenters at MyDD, every single comment I read on every blog that I visit has been one scathing condemnation of Clinton after another. Every one.

She better start pandering to the Independents and squishy Repubs, because it looks as though most Democrats are pretty much done with her.

- as

[Yukari Yakumo]

33. Not as much as it could (and should) since it's Friday {nt}

uguu

[malik flavors]

34. If it gets media play leading up to the primary and she looks like a double talker, it will.

[TragedyandHope]

36. Why would anyone think otherwise?

It certainly can't help.

[k8conant]

37. Everything hurts Hillary

[oldgrowth]

38. And she had to lie about moveon on top of it !!!!!!!!!nt

[PBS Poll-435]

39. Nope.

Move-on jumped the shark in 04.

527s are supposed to help, not hurt the candidate.

[Zachstar]

41. It may not hurt as much in PA. But in terms of SDs and activist voters in other states it dooms

#1 It basically nulls and voids any thought of Edwards or Gore endorsing her. They may not endorse Obama but I HIGHLY doubt they would face the risk of endorsing Clinton now.

#2 In upcoming states activists will be outraged and likely switch sides. And because they are activists they will work harder to get out the vote and show their support for Obama. Remember any lost support for Clinton at this late in the game is a disaster for her campaign.

#3 It affects the voter who votes democratic because they are tired of republicans screwing with the .gov They will see Clinton has insulted a group that has worked to oppose the war and Bush and they will respond. Combine this with "Screw em" gate and this is going to be a disaster for the Clinton Campaign.

#4 Along with her comments in the Debate. Removes much of the tiny chance left that the supers would overturn the pledged delegate lead.

So this is not just going to harm her Campaign. It is going to be a disaster for it.

[workinclasszero]

43. I hope Hillary loses her Senate seat

to a real progressive. The netroots can take her down.

Of course she has no shot at the presidential nomination. That has been true since super tuesday at least.

Hillary has been working for John McCain since that day.

[ORDem]

44. At this point she has shot off both feet, hands, and is about to slit her own

throat. Each new ugly attack by her gets her closer to zero, but at a diminishing rate.

[rug]

45. With who? Moveon's been against her for months.

[GarbagemanLB]

47. The SDs. You don't piss off one of the strongest Democratic activist groups in the party if you

want to win the GE and have enormously high negatives to begin with (as Hillary does).

[Bullet1987]

46. You can't slam the entire Dem netroots and Dem activists and think it's

not going to hurt you.

[ruggerson]

48. rofl

[mod mom]

49. Yes because she lied (again) about Move-On's position about Afghanistan and flip-flopped

on how she felt about the organization.

It's the pattern of being caught in lies that will definitely hurt her to folks who believe the last 8 years living w a Liar-in-Chief is enough!

[davsand]

50. Seems like a bad idea to piss off the people who actually DO stuff.

Overall, I doubt the average voter could give a shit what Hil (or anyone else) thinks about Moveon or any other group of internet activists. We are (and yes, this IS a we thing--DU is a bunch of internet political activists!) as a whole not "opinion makers" in the local Dem parties. The ________ County Democratic party in far flung USA really is not gonna make endorsements solely on what is said at DU, Moveon, or any other internet site.

Having said THAT, I have to point out that the internet activists have raised a record amount of money in this cycle. In Hil's financial position right now, I'd think that would be something for her to take note of.

Similarly, if you stop to think about WHO the membership pf Moveon actually IS, you realize that these are (for the most part) people who are invested in the political process. Those same people live EVERYWHERE, and by pissing them off she may have just driven a few of those local activists to work their local turf a little harder than they might have prior to her comments.

A buddy of mine always likes to say, "If you are in a hole stop digging." Pissing on Moveon seems an awful lot like digging to me.



Laura