Those hard working middle Americans greeting the Pope surely do not look bitter to me.

[Maribelle]

In fact they look the direct opposite of Obama's lies - - they are not clinging to their faith - - they are rejoicing in their beloved church.

[saltpoint]

1. I don't see many of them rejoicing in any of their daughters in the priesthood,

however.

The Church's policy against the ordination of women in a time when there are grievous shortages of priests is blatant sexism with absolutely no moral or historic justification.

[Maribelle]

4. But the folks greeting the Pope are not bitter. Obama lied.

[saltpoint]

7. Try sticking to the point, Maribelle. The Church forbids the ordination

of women.

Get your head around that for a second.

Now come back to the problem at hand. A woman can be president if she's elected by popular mandate but a woman cannot serve God as a priest because she's a woman.

[Maribelle]

12. The topic of this OP is that the people do not look bitter, they rejoice.

Are you having trouble sticking to the topic of this op? Please feel free to start your own thread about bashing Catholics, or whatever.

[saltpoint]

14. I'm defending Catholic women. Your post is not about rejoicing. It's about

dismissing Obama on false claims.

But given that you are the author of the OP, that is of course unsurprising.

[Maribelle]

20. All of the people greeting the Pope appear to be rejoicing in their faith.

You seem to have difficulty grasping that concept.

[Catch22Dem]

26. "appear to be"

Yet you can just come here and spout off that Obama lied, because of what you perceive to be the "appearance" of folks on your tee vee!

[Maribelle]

37. Yes.

[saltpoint]

27. I'm pleased that the Pope drew a crowd. Who doesn't like a big public

event?

Half the world's Catholics are barred from ordination because of their gender.

You might consider that before using the Pope's public relations profile as a tool to attack Obama. It isn't working.

[Maribelle]

39. I believe the Pope's public relations erases Obama's lies with no tools needed.

[saltpoint]

40. Jesus, Maribelle, it's no wonder Clinton's campaign has tanked if it's

drawing people with no better grasp of logic than yours.

[Maribelle]

44. It seems to me you might be confusing faith with logic.

[saltpoint]

45. The Catholic Church offers neither to women in its fold.

If a woman cannot administer the sacraments then there's no reason to have faith in Jesus' trust in Mary Magdalen. Apostolic succession as a criterion for priesthood is realized in her model.

If you are willing to cancel her out, then you can use the goddam Pope for any purpose you please, including dismissing Obama, but it ain't sellin'.

[Maribelle]

55. Supporting women as priests, or not, does not affect one's true faith.

I still thing you are confusing the two: faith and logic.

[saltpoint]

58. Maribelle, you have a nice day.

[Maribelle]

60. You too.

[MattBaggins]

88. That is why I thank God

everyday that I am an atheist.

[FlaGranny]

61. A lot of people

confuse faith with logic. Faith is actually illogical, though, and there is no comparison.

[bread_and_roses]

77. My thought exactly. Does the OP even know the definition of "lie?" n/t

[Capn Sunshine]

82. I'm down to one visit a week because of posters like this

absolutely ridiculous stretch in order to accuse Obama of "lying"

Yep, no bitter citizens here, move along. LOOK! A guy in a pointy hat in a funny car! It's a parade!

[saltpoint]

97. LOL. I want to know where he gets those natty red shoes.

[krawhitham]

84. Yes they are Clinging to it

[babylonsister]

9. No, you're bitter. Sort of proves Obama's point.

:think:

[Catch22Dem]

17. You're saying that since you don't SEE any bitter people, they simply don't exist?

Bill Frist, is that you? Diagnosis by television!

Ok, dumbest post of the week...by a mile.

[Maribelle]

25. Nope, that's not what I said.

Care to try again?

[Catch22Dem]

28. That's exactly what you said

You said Obama lied because you don't SEE any people on your TV who you think are bitter. You're logic is so fucked up it's not worth challenging. I'd love to, but shit, it's Saturday.

[onenote]

34. fwiw, the OP's logic isn't worth challenging any day of the week

since its non-existant

[nebula]

23. The people greeting the pope are indeed CLINGING TO RELIGION

And it proves Obama right.

[Maribelle]

32. Obama said they are bitter. Those greeting the Pope are rejoiceful not bitter.

[nebula]

41. Of course they don't LOOK bitter

they turn to things like RELIGION, ALCOHOL, DRUGS or whatever in order to escape the bitterness.

for example, when someone is high on drugs or alcohol they APPEAR to be 'happy' on the surface, but only because the drugs and the alcohol (or the religion) is masking the bitterness underneath.

[ecdab]

95. You really need to figure out what the word "lie" means - because you have

no clue what so ever in that regard.

[barb162]

99. You're right Maribelle.

[JoFerret]

80. And your point is?

That the RC church is hopelessly backward when it comes to women's rights, sexuality? Of course - you are dead on. Seems to me most US catholics cherry-pick their catholic doctrine.

[roseBudd]

2. Yes and the pope was against the Iraq War that Hillary voted for!!!!! that is HUGH!

[Maribelle]

6. Catholics today are rejoicing in their faith. They are not bitter. Obama lied.

[mwb970]

3. Oh, for goodness sake.

What a silly post. Do you work for ABC by any chance?

[murray hill farm]

5. Perhaps that is because they are...

working people who still have jobs to go to...and where they actually can work hard and be paid to do so. if that is the case.....they would not be those who are bitter, but rather those, like you that cannot understand why there is such bitterness by those who have the hard working work ethic, but no way to find such work feel.

[cali]

8. yeah, and I'm sure that none of the hundrfeds of thousands

abused by clergy are even a tiny bit bitter. Seriously, this OP is awesome. Awesomely stupid, that is. Even by GD-P standards of stupid.

[Gore1FL]

10. I can;t tell from the TV screen...

How many of them are rural? And how many are jobless?

You must have high def to see that.

[Catch22Dem]

11. YAWN! They believe an invisible man will answer their "prayers"

I'd call that clinging.

[BlooInBloo]

19. But have you seen his BEARD!??

[Catch22Dem]

22. Ah fuck, Odin had a beard too

Now I'm REALLY confused. Come to think of it, my dad has a beard! Is my dad gawd? Ooooooo creepy, supernatural shit, man! ;)

[BlooInBloo]

33. Your dad can't be gawd, because MY dad is gawd.

[Obamanaut]

67. And He had a Son with a magical hammer as well. nt

[nebula]

13. I don't think

the thousands of victims of the Catholic church's pedophiles are rejoicing.

Calling them bitter would be an understatement.

[Maribelle]

18. Erm... Obama said hard working Americans cling to their guns and God because they are bitter.

[Maine-ah]

35. did you read or watch the whole of what Obama said or

are you just picking particular pieces that you think will help your argument.

As I understood this (and I think I've said it a hundred times at this point) he's talking about these are the ISSUES people cling to when they see that the government will never change. These are the type of issues that divide us, gay marriage, "morals", guns, religion, ect...not the physical clinging of guns and religion. I'm a rural voter, and I get what he was saying.

[Maribelle]

42. I listened to his entire message that was available from Billionaire's Row.

I listened to the five or six times he tried to erase what he said about hard working Americans.

You are free to believe any version you choose.

But that is one of Obama's biggest problems to me, he comes out with five of six versions of too many things, like his relationship with Rezko.

[Maine-ah]

47. he was damned right too.

we are angry, we are bitter, and we've had enough. And the people that have given up any hope for any change stick to the issues that divide us and don't bring us together.


If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. And if you are outraged, and you are an activist, HRC just condemned you.

Obama wasn't my first choice, Kucinich was, and once we got down to the final two, I was left with no choice but Obama.

OP's like yours (saying Obama lied) does not help HRC supporters in any way. He didn't lie, he was flat out honest and to the point. Some people just can't handle the truth. They take it as a slap in the face when we know damned well it's what most of us have been thinking for years.

[Maribelle]

49. On which version do you think he was right?

[Maine-ah]

76. I don't understand what is so hard to get here.....

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them.And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not."

"And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

[goclark]

48. Could someone tell Maribelle that the Rove playbook is not working

Please let her know that HC's negatives are up because this stuck on stupid and lost in the 60's politics isn't working.

I've got to go now, I just told my 89 year old sweet Mom about this post and gomama directed me to be sweet to Barack and hit the donate button for $20 in her name.

Thanks Maribelle for inspiring gomama today. :bounce:

[Maribelle]

51. Just what does Hillary have to do with the hundreds of thousands greeting their Pope?

I think you are a tad confused over this.

[saltpoint]

52. If Hillary has nothing to do with the hundreds of thousands greeting

the Pope perhaps your gratuitous slam on Barack is also unrelated, yet there you were doing the slamming.

[Maribelle]

64. I do not speak for Hillary as you do not speak for Obama.

And that's a good thing, correct?

[goclark]

73. Didn't say she did and I'm inspired

to donate to Obama again.
$10

Got to go phone bank now, if I see a post from you again, I'll donate more money.

Thanks

[nebula]

36. Don't be ridiculous.

when people are BITTER they tend to turn toward something which makes them HAPPY,
in order to escape the bitterness. Hence, they turn to God, alcohol, or whatever.

So obviously these people are going to APPEAR to be happy when the are greeting the Pope.

It's like pointing to a drunk person and saying 'see look, there's nothing wrong with that guy, he looks perfectly happy!'

[Onlooker]

15. "Religion is the opiate of the masses" n/t

[JVS]

And how do you feel when that beloved Church wants abortion to be illegal?

[roseBudd]

21. And how many trees will be cut down in Latin America because Pope says no BC for you!

and Latin American catholics continue to procreate at an unsustainable level?

[Maribelle]

46. I, and many believe that not all Church Doctrines are Church Dogma.

[JVS]

70. That doesn't answer the question. How do you like the Church trying to ban abortion.

And dogma or not, this is an area where the Church is extremely vocal and unlikely to change their POV.

[0007]

16. How do you know that what you're seeing are hilzary's shills?

[lastliberalintexas]

24. They just look deluded to this agnostic

:shrug:





And yes, I'm being snarky. Kind of like the unnecessary OP.

[onenote]

29. yep, and when they go to the gas station, they do a dance of joy

You know Hillary's had a hard time coming up with a campaign theme song.

How about "everything's coming up roses" or maybe "Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows"

After all, if everyone is so goldarned pleased about their lives, let's play to that.

[rucky]

43. I remember the days...

sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi.

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

30. Yeah, it's truly amazing...

...that people who are frustrated with politicians' inability to help them in their daily lives don't have a look of bitterness on their face every single second of every day. It' simply shocking.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. They're happy because the Pope is going to punch their tickets to heaven.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Denis Diderot

[nebula]

50. Haha!

That quote is so true.

[rucky]

38. This is comical on so many levels.

I'll inform the Clinton talking-point writers that their jobs are safe for awhile.

[tokenlib]

53. Go ahead, piss on the legitimate bitterness many of us feel.

That really helps your cause that you refuse to accept our feelings. If you're happy..good for you!

[Maribelle]

57. Moi? Why I would never even dream of deterring your bitterness.

Knock yourself out.

[BlooInBloo]

54. "rejoicing in their beloved church." - It's all they have.

[rug]

56. He's drawing bigger crowds than Obama. Gopapa!

[Maribelle]

59. :-) Gopapa!

:yourock:

[C_U_L8R]

62. The Pope doesn't take kindly

to false accusations. That gets you extra brimstone.

[MaineDem]

63. You're making so many assumptions in one little post

Yes, they appear to be rejoicing; that's legitimate. But there's no way to tell if they're bitter or not. And I'd bet just a few of them are.

[Maribelle]

65. In my op I clearly stated 'do not look'.

Sometimes I believe Skinner should require permission slips from parents before Obama followers are allowed to post.








( just kidding )

[MaineDem]

66. I haven't needed a permission slip from my parents in over 40 years.

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

68. Well, all of those small-town New Yorkers just didn't get the word ...

... when the Wal*Mart that opened in the Bronx put all of the owner-operated stores in Manhatten out of business, I guess.

:eyes:

[JI7]

69. i don't know, some of them looked depressed to me

[Danger Mouse]

71. This is such incredibly twisted logic that I don't know where to begin.

:crazy:

[Obamanaut]

72. From the film clips and photos, we can't really tell that these

Americans greeting the Pope are hard working middle Americans. They very well may be affluent upper Americans who had the money and position that enabled them to take time off from their employment in the middle of a work week to visit.

They may even be hard working upper class, who did not gain any wealth via inheritance or privilege, but instead worked well over the 'normal' 40 hours per week to attain whatever wealth they may have.

I just love making up stories about things I see on the news, stories that may have absolutely no basis in fact. Don't you?

[stillcool]

74. Lies? That's rich.

[Avalux]

75. I've got some extra cash - let me buy you a clue.

:rofl:

[anonymous171]

78. No one is bitter! Move along! Keep on buying from WalMart! Don't question the status quo!

:puke:

[JoFerret]

79. Kerry the catholic couldn't win over the Pa catholics in 2004

and as he struggled in Pa generally then I don't see Obama having a hope in hell come November.

[MattBaggins]

89. Yes it will be difficult

Luckily though he stands a better chance overall of winning then a certain someone who is absolutely loathed by more than half the country.

[JoFerret]

91. 51% wins most elections

and Obama may be "liked" but will people vote for him for president in November? Truth is - I don't know. I would certainly hope so. But I am by no means certain. You should not be either.

[JBoy]

81. Did you go to the Frist school of video diagnosis?

I'm not surprised they don't "look" bitter when seeing, likely for the first and only time in their lives, the head of their church.

Just as I'm sure they wouldn't "look" bitter when they see their son or daughter perform in a school play.

[krawhitham]

83. I can't wait

for the hillbots to start getting tombstoned after Obama is officially the nominee

[apocalypsehow]

85. Me and you both. n/t.

[Catherine Vincent]

86. You must lead a boring life. nt

[RichardRay]

87. Doesn't follow...

That's a GNS (Galloping Non Sequitur). Senator Obama didn't say that people don't rejoice in their faith, as a matter of fact, he said that when things get tough people draw their faith even more tightly around themselves.

cling

as a verb

1. to adhere closely; stick to.

2. to hold tight, as by grasping or embracing; cleave.

3. to be or remain close.


You know about as much about what words mean as you do about economics.

[XemaSab]

90. Why did I think you were TS'd?

:shrug:

[Maribelle]

92. Is your condescending remark meant to intimidate me?

[whatchamacallit]

93. Did I accidentally stumble into Free Republic?

The Pope is an asshat in a cockhat.

[LowerManhattanite]

94. Dimmest post of the week.

Perhaps the month. Add in the cyanotic OP natterings in the thread, and you have a nominee for the first quarter of '08.

Lord.

[PBS Poll-435]

96. !

:thumbsdown:

[ecdab]

100. I was thinking "ever", but there have been some other really dumb things

posted here.

[barb162]

98. You're right Maribelle, they looked joyous.

[DrFunkenstein]

101. Um, Obama Was Specifically Talking About People Who Lost Their Jobs And How They View Politics

People do get bitter and they decide that politics is a bunch of corruption and doubletalk, so they focus narrowly on a handful of issues like abortion, gun control or gay marriage.

Keep in mind that a large part of Bush's massive turnout in 2004 was due to the large numbers of gay marriage ballots set up by Karl Rove and the RNC across the nation.

I'm saying of all of this as if you were going to approach the issue honestly, but I'm not sure why I'm bothering after re-reading your post.