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Sat Apr-19-08 09:20 AM
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Is Obama's "New Politics" just keeping Hillary alive in MISERY? Wouldn't it be kinder to END IT NOW |
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It is now clear that Clinton has exposed her political vulnerabilities in so many ways that the Obama campaign could quite effectively put together a series of attack ads that would put an end to her campaign.
Clinton's nasty private remarks about Move-on in contrast to her public praise could be used to deny her any support from the "activist" left; Her past "screw-em" remarks regarding the less educated, conservative whites could be used to undermine her among what had become her new "base;" and she certainly could find no refuge in the community of "lucky" black voters who used to support her.
So why isn't Obama going in for the kill? Has his avowed "new politics" tied his hands?
After the Wright controversy everyone is afraid of the "angry black man" image it seems. But there is such a thing a righteous indignation. If ever political duplicity and cravenly disingenuous attacks called for anger and indignation it is now. Hillary's actions now pose a clear and present danger to the Democratic party.
ENOUGH OF THE GENTEEL SPARRING. OBAMA SHOULD END IT NOW!
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:23 AM
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1. Taking a long view.... |
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IMO if Obama really brought out the slime buckets and succeeded that way, it would ultimately be a big setback for any concept of a slightly better form of politics.
If he's going to win and do it hionestly, he has to avoid using the very tactics he is criticizing -- and which so many Americans are fed up with.
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:23 AM
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2. No. It isn't his duty to "go for the kill". |
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She prefers slow suicide. Let her have it. Word on the street is, she might take a *break* from campaigning, but rise from the dead at the convention.
The PARTY has to do a euthanasia if that's what's required. But it isn't Obama style. No one wants to see him stoop to her stink level.
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:24 AM
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3. Let her and her supporters twist and twitch in the wind... |
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Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:25 AM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: Screw 'em. Clinton's remarks depart radically from the traditional position of presidential candidates, who in the past have celebrated high levels of turnout by party activists and partisans as a harbinger for their own party's success -- regardless of who is the eventual nominee -- in the general election showdown.
The comments also contradict Clinton's previous statements praising this year's elevated Democratic turnout in primaries and caucuses, and appear to blame her caucus defeats on newly energized grassroots voter groups that she has lauded in the past as "lively participants" in American democracy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_97484.html
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:27 AM
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4. Sometimes I feel like that, too. |
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I'm of two minds about it, though. He's going to win the nomination anyway. And Hillary is digging her own grave. I'm proud of Obama for not getting into the gutter with her. And perhaps his hands are tied somewhat. But after North Carolina it's gonna be all over without him having to take the gloves off.
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:41 AM
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8. Sometimes you have to put a suffering animal to sleep. It's hard, but merciful |
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:49 AM
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9. I'm not feeling very merciful toward Hillary at the moment... |
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As long as she doesn't destroy Obama I'm pretty happy that she's destroying her own good name and the goodwill of her colleagues in the Senate and House.
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:27 AM
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She has enough sense to know what's going on. She seems to have too much pride to admit defeat, that's all.
Obama doesn't believe in that old politic. Win on your merits, not because you've buried your rival.
And anything he would attack her with would only feed her victimhood and stir up resentment among her supporters. It would be divisive when he's trying to unite.
The question to ask is this: when is she going to graciously bow out and endorse him?
Any Hillary supporters reading this: if she does bow out and endorse Obama, will you get behind him too?
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:30 AM
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6. You think Obama is keeping her in this? |
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I think she is more than happy to continue in the spotlight.
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:30 AM
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7. Senator Clinton has to make the decision. Obama could bring on the |
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Sunday fastball but would risk being seen as a snuffer-outter.
Clinton's campaign staff knows she can't win the nomination. Their private meetings are likely full of reality, even as she is out on the stump blathering away.
The longer she's in the more money they can raise to cover expenses, and there's the potential variable for influence in the party if she presents as someone who has to be negoatiated with.
If she wins big in PA we'll hear some more weeks of the blathering while the fund-raising continues. But the SDs are no longer giving her much of a look and are laying hard cash down on the guy from Illinois.
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Sat Apr-19-08 10:12 AM
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12. Unfortunately, she got 3 SD's yesterday |
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Why would supers be coming out for her now, I wonder?
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:53 AM
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10. You'd think she would bow out with a shred of dignity still intact, |
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but it's her decision. The MoveOn/Obama supporter bashing is like the last nail in the coffin. You should never, ever, ever go after those who might vote for you in the general.
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Sat Apr-19-08 09:56 AM
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11. "New politics" means simply surreptitious character assassination |
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as the Obama campaign has done from the start - Obama's "strength" is in fact, his greatest weakness -- should the hypocrisy be revealed.
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Sat Apr-19-08 06:50 PM
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20. Clinton's lack of character preceeded this campaign. Obama has given more respect than deserved IMO |
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Sat Apr-19-08 10:14 AM
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13. "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" |
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Sat Apr-19-08 01:38 PM
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14. Hillary is more like a wounded TIGER that can kill before she dies. SMEAR WORKS and it could destroy |
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the Nominee and the Party.
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Sat Apr-19-08 01:39 PM
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15. I agree. She needs to be put down. |
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Sat Apr-19-08 01:41 PM
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16. (shrug) We're in the middle of a party shift. Clinton and her supporters will leave and vote repub.. |
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Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 01:42 PM by BlooInBloo
... We'll move on a stronger, better-intentioned party.
EDIT: The outcome's not in doubt, so everything'll be fine.
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Sat Apr-19-08 01:48 PM
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17. No. But I'd like to see him make some progressive promises. |
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He could put the election to bed with a little of that, but no, he's playing it safe, too. x(
I am glad that he has flung little mud this season. As you say, it would be easy, but that's not how I want to see a candidate win.
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Sat Apr-19-08 03:16 PM
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18. Unfortunately, folks are fixated on the negative stuff. It like a disease in our MSM societry |
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Not clear how much reality counts anymore.
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Sat Apr-19-08 03:22 PM
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19. Obama doesnt want to piss off any of the rational Clinton supporters... |
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...they are loyal DEMS, but why press your luck?
Hillary's anti-activists statements is the opposite example.
I hope it works for Obama- b/c as far as national media goes-I'd like to think we could win primaries while keeping internal attacks to a minimum...
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