Let's Play A Game Called "Guilt By Association"! Who Can We Link Hillary Clinton To?

[KittyWampus]

Her campaign is now distributing information linking Obama to Ayers and that crowd from 40 years ago when he was eight.

This is under the guise of influencing Super Delegates and telling them what Rove would do to Obama.

Obviously, she leaks this stuff so it gets air play now for PA.

Who can we link Hillary to using the same McCarthyesque technique?

There's Marc Rich, a NeoCon enabler but that's not juicy enough.

Anyone have any good ideas using 2-3 degrees of seperation?

[H2O Man]

1. Bill n/t

[HereSince1628]

2. LOL!!! That is sort of UNDENIABLE!

But you've got to wonder who's association with whom tainted who the most.

[Shae]

44. wow

great point!

[Kaleva]

101. Her brother

The man who is the subject of another thread here and took money for his role in some pardons at the end of Bill's time in office.

[burythehatchet]

34. "Sure, I've known him and seen him in the past. I believe I went to a few parties

when he was present, but can you really say I "knew" him. ya know, that's open for debate"

[dchill]

107. Get. The hell. Out. Of TOWN!

That's FUNNY!
:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

3. Be honest

Obama's association with Ayers is much more recent than 40 years ago.

No one is arguing your right to bring up this point, but be accurate.

[GoesTo11]

10. OP was accurate

"linking Obama to Ayers and THAT CROWD FROM 40 YEARS AGO"

The point of bringing up Ayers isn't that Obama had a relationship with an education professor more recently, it's to link him to the Weather Underground radicals - from 40 years ago.

But in any event, if the OP doesn't like the guilt by association game, the solution is to not play it - rather than to play it against HRC too.

[OzarkDem]

11. when he was 8

He's known and affiliated with Ayers much more recently.

Like I said, be honest.

[AllentownJake]

16. Who pardoned members of that group

I can't remember which President did that :sarcasm:

[Armstead]

17. But what matters about that?

Seriously. Do you base all of your associations and friendships on whether you agree with them on everything?

If Obama had been conspiring with Ayers 40 years ago, it might be relevant.

If Obama were someone who honestly agrees with Ayers today on those controversial issues, it might be relevant.

But no one -- except right wing whackos -- can honestly believe that it matters today.

Hillary should not be out there trying to pump up some assiciation that is meaningless but politically destructive to ALL democrats in the general election.

[merh]

21. And has Ayers recently committed acts of terrorism

You be honest and cut the crap, your double standards are tiresome.

Folks adore the Pope, don't they - guess what he was a member of Youth for Hitler - folks do move beyond their past.

[AZ Criminal JD]

56. Ayers has not moved on. That is the point.

On the day 9/11 happened he was in the New York Times saying he should have set more bombs. "We didn't do enough". He firmly believes in everything he did "40 years ago". And it wasn't 40 years ago anyway. That is Obama speak. Ayers surfaced in 1981 which was 27 years ago.

[merh]

59. He gave an interview that, by sheer coincidence, was published on 9/11

and in that interview he says "I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough." He didn't make that statement in response to 9/11, it was just a coincidence his words were pubished on 9/11. BTW, the charges against him were dropped, he has never been convicted of any crime.

It is not Obama speak, these are the words of a US citizen that understands our system of justice "innocent until PROVEN guilty" and that understands guilt by association is a very bad thing.

[AZ Criminal JD]

61. The standard is whether you have been convicted or not?

Then we should have no problem with OJ because so far he has not been convicted of anything. The charges against Ayers were dropped because he stayed a fugitive for so long that evidence was lost. Has he atoned for the graduate student his group killed in Madison, Wisconsin in 1970 when they blew up the math building? Nope. Collateral damage for the cause.

[merh]

62. Explain to me why Bill Clinton pardoned members of the

same group?

Provide a link about that student. From what I have read, the only fatalities were members of the group that were killed as they were making the bombs.

[AZ Criminal JD]

97. The student who was killed left a wife and three kids.

http://www.historynet.com/37-years-later-victim-of-anti-war-bombing-at-wisconsin-honored.htm The bomb the Weathermen were making in New York was intended to be used at a dance in Ft. Dix, New Jersey. These were cowards and killers. I don't know why Bill pardoned two of them but I do know that Ayers is unrepentant for his actions.

[SOS]

99. Hillary Clinton superdelegate pushed for Weather Underground pardons

Jerold Nadler (D-NY) attends the same Manhattan synagogue as Susan Rosenberg's mother.
Rosenberg's mother asked Nadler to request the pardon from Bill.
Nadler brought the case to Bill's attention, which later resulted in the pardon.

Guilt by association! If it's good enough for Obama.....

[merh]

111. that poster is pushing blatant lies

that bombing in their post was not an act attributed to ayers group.

just more crap - the worst type of guilt association - with no connection whatsoever.

[merh]

103. nice stretch of history

that article doesn't refer to weatherman - how do you make the connection between these four who were responsible for the bomb and ayers?

There is no connection so stop the crap.

[ecdab]

104. Yeah - he wishes he did more to end the war in Vietnam - are you

actually taking up the talking point that Ayers should be clubbed for wishing he did more to end a war?

[GoesTo11]

23. I was making a specific point

Ayers now is one of these balding earring wearing aging hippie intellectuals. He writes books about teaching and he's a professor of education. He used to be a student radical. Of course he has been affiliated with Ayers more recently, and I wasn't implying anything different. My point was that if it were just a matter of Obama having a friendly enough but not intense relationship with Ayers now, nobody would be saying anything about it. It would be like hanging out with Ozzie Osbourne or something. Instead, the reason this is being played up is an attempt to evoke the weather underground bomb-making hippie radicals - that's the "crowd from 40 years ago" that's being mentioned and thus linked. The OP says "linked to Ayers and that crowd from 40 years ago" - being linked to Ayers isn't an issue, except for the implicit link to the crowd from 40 years ago.

And as I said, I don't think this guilt by casual association game is worth playing for any of our candidates - remember John Kerry and Hanoi Jane Fonda? It's a stupid game. Jesus associated with all sorts of sinners, but somehow that didn't tarnish his halo (and no, I am not trying to say that Obama is the messiah or the anointed one etc., just making a historical analogy with respect to this guilt-by-association thing).

[Shae]

47. I think it was honest.

THAT CROWD FROM 40 YEARS AGO = Weather Underground.

the poster could have as well said "linking Obama to Ayers and Weather Underground."

No one is trying to deny that the association between Obama and Ayers was more recent that 40 years ago -- but that Ayers' association with Weather Underground was 40 years ago. Ayers has since moved on and is a distinguished professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

[AZ Criminal JD]

58. He has not "moved on".

He has said he didn't set enough bombs.

[ecdab]

105. Bull - he never said that, that is a complete fabrication and a lie.

But the GOP thanks you for spreading their bull shit.

[Capn Sunshine]

70. recently

Ayers is a respected member of Academia, Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

He is on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a anti-poverty philanthropic foundation, since 1999. United States Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama served on the same board from 1999 to 2002.

OMIGOD! An antipoverty philanthropic organization! This will be BIG trouble in the General.


meanwhile..........
President Clinton pardoned a member of the Weathermen who participated in a heist that left two police officers and a security guard dead, and commuted the sentence of another, and we have yet to hear where Senator Clinton stands on President Clinton's actions.

[HereSince1628]

19. While being honest let's say that Ayers is one of the few examples

of a guy who screwed up badly in his early life and who has successfully turned his life around.

The extent of the turnaround? The guy is now even a Distinguished Professor at U of I. and serves on public committees fighting poverty.

Can we say that not many "criminals" show such marked rehabilitation?

So, then it should be said that Obama associated with a model of rehabilitation while fighting poverty.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[merh]

25. exactly

How frustrating it is to see "progressives" turn throughout these primaries.

[AZ Criminal JD]

60. What makes you think has "turned his life around"

He continues to promote his activities and says he didn't set enough bombs. Read his book, Fugitive Days. Then tell me how he is "rehabilitated".

[HereSince1628]

73. I did.

With respect to being rehabilitated. Rehabilitated IS as Rehibilitated DOES.
He sure looks rehabilitated. Of course that could change, but
I have no reason to not believe that.
Well, at least at this time...
Based on what he says....
based on what he's done...

DAMN!!!
Shouldn't this guy be evidence Obama is a terrorist at heart?!
And probably a secret Muslim too!
And that the U of I is a den of Liberal USA-Haters???









Nope.

[AZ Criminal JD]

98. When he says he has no regrets and he should have set more bombs

I don't think he has changed one bit.

[Hepburn]

38. They are linking Obama to what the Hell Ayers did 40 years ago....

...get it yet? Obama was 8 years old at the time. I frankly had to stop and think who Ayers was when his name was brought up ~~ and I am old enough to clearly remember when this shit came down. You think Obama who was only 8 years old at the time knew WTF this man was when he met him? At the time Obama was around him, he was a distinguised university professor. What? He needed to sleuth into the backgroud of every person who he might pass on the street?

:eyes:

BTW: Care to discuss Norman Hsu?

[dchill]

110. Be honest? You first.

"Obama's association with Ayers..." That's some heavily-weighted-to-the-right phrasing, there.

[0007]

4. The neighborhood cat

[KittyWampus]

6. is that in retaliation for yesterday when a Clinton supporter posted an anti-Obama Giles cartoon?

icky

[0007]

92. No!

[Terran]

5. Well, there's always the "Clinton Bodycount"

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

"Senator Clinton, when did you and your husband stop having your political opponents murdered?"

:sarcasm:

[KittyWampus]

7. wait, Snopes debunked the Clinton Body Count? I thought she really DID kill Foster

[Vinca]

8. I've posted the Clinton felon list a couple of times -

VARIOUS ARKANSAS:

1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction

(Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President.

2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction

(Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997)

4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions

(Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996)

WHITEWATER:

5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)

6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction

(Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)

8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
Died in prison March 8, 1998

9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud

(Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)

11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction

(Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans

(Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction

(Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)

16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction

(Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)

17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud

(Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence

(The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence

(The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

ESPY:

20) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and investigative costs

(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

21) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother

(Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

22) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery convictions and guilty pleas

(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Lobbyist Pleads guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

23) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother

(Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

24) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction; twenty-seven month prison sentence

(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998)

25) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

26) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry Espy's campaign

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises: four counts) for fraud

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

28) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts) for fraud

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

29) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts relating to illegal campaign contributions to Henry Espy

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign finance head: ten count conviction

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions

(Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions

(Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

CAMPAIGN FINANCE:

33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction

(Los Angeles Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997)

34) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering

(Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

35) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering

(Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

36) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas

(Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998)

37) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections

(The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997, et. al.)
CISNEROS:

38) Linda Jones: Henry Cisneros mistress; conspiracy, bank fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice federal felony guilty pleas; sentenced to three and one-half years in prison

(Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

39) Patsy Jo Wooten: Linda Jones sister; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)


40) Allen Wooten: Linda Jones brother-in-law; one conspiracy guilty plea

(Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

[rucky]

12. Wow.

And to think of all the backflips I did in the '90's to defend them.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

78. couldn't get much closer than her brother

[Hepburn]

94. Doi.......!!!

:wow:

[Quixote1818]

9. Herself. nt

[yourguide]

13. Walmart

who recently tried to make that poor woman repay her insurance settlement.

[tokenlib]

14. Al From and his corporatist friends ......

Damn, that was too easy!

[Rageneau]

15. We've been playing the guilt-by-association game with the Clintons for nearly 20 years now!

Who is still left to negatively associate them with?

I think the Clintons would be HAPPY if everybody was given the exact same treatment as they are in matters like these. There's no downside for them, because they get the criticism regardless of whether anyone else does.

[limit18]

18. The one that will leave the biggest bruise is

the comedian Sinbad.

[JI7]

20. Mark Penn

[merh]

22. This Peter Paul guy

He may not be all there, but one has to ask why the hell did the Clintons have any dealing with him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPxtv6kcn7s

[Life Long Dem]

24. You don't really want to go there do you?

Okay you do.

In 2000 Hillary was associated with groups that have supported terrorism.

Clinton announced at an Oct. 25 news conference that she was returning $50,000 in campaign contributions raised by the American Muslim Alliance, an anti-Israeli group whose leaders have sanctioned terrorism.

The American Muslim Council (AMC) Mr. Alamoudi an official of the American Muslim Council, who has openly championed Hamas and defended other terrorists, including those behind the World Trade Center bombing.

Led the thousands in attendance to chant their support for Hamas and Hezbollah. "Hear that, Bill Clinton, we are all supporters of Hamas," he declared. "I wish they argued that I am also a supporter of Hezbollah."

When the New York Daily News asked about these comments earlier this week, Mr. Alamoudi denied making them, telling the reporter: "You better check your Arabic." When the reporter noted that he had given the speech in English, Mr. Alamoudi replied, "It was in English? Oh my God, I forgot!"

Here is the Wall Street Journal article.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=65000531

[Quixote1818]

27. Ouch! nt

[Adelante]

26. Okay, I'll play

We might as well go back in time - well, at least she was already born.

Hillary Clinton's Radical Summer
A Season of Love and Leftists

By JOSH GERSTEIN
Staff Reporter of the Sun
November 26, 2007


OAKLAND, Calif. — In a life marked largely by political caution, one entry on Senator Clinton's résumé stands out: her clerkship in 1971 at one of America's most radical law firms, Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein.

One partner at the firm, Doris Walker, was a Communist Party member at the time. Another partner, Robert Treuhaft, had left the party in 1958, several years after being called before the House Un-American Activities Committee and labeled as one of America's most "dangerously subversive" lawyers. The Oakland-based firm was renowned for taking clients others rejected as too controversial, including Communists, draft resisters, and members of the African-American militant group known as the Black Panthers.

To this day, Mrs. Clinton's decision to work at the unabashedly left-wing firm is surprising, even shocking, to some of her former colleagues there and to those supporting her bid for the presidency. To the former first lady's enemies and political opponents, her summer at the Treuhaft firm is yet another indication that radical ideology lurks beneath the patina of moderation she has adopted in public life.

-snip

Republican opposition researchers working for President George H.W. Bush were aware of Mrs. Clinton's tie to the Treuhaft firm in 1992, before it was widely known, and apparently chose not to exploit it. They reasoned that she was the wife of the candidate rather than the candidate herself, a reasoning that no longer applies as Mrs. Clinton seeks the Democratic presidential nomination. Lawyers involved with the firm were surprised that Republican operatives never moved to capitalize on Mrs. Clinton's connection.

http://www2.nysun.com/article/66933

George HW Bush shows more decency than Hillary Clinton. What a fucking disgrace.

[KittyWampus]

49. So she worked closely with a Communist! And after writing her thesis on Alinsky, too.

hmmmm

[Adelante]

52. She had her Alinsky thesis locked down, too nt

[Radical Activist]

100. She turned down the job offer from Alinksy.

She thought working through the system was the best approach. You can sum up the differences between the two candidates right there.

[noel711]

28. Rev. Jeremiah Wright.. was at a White House Prayer breakfast

after the Monica scandal hit the media...

Ever hear about him??? (sarcasm)

[XemaSab]

63. .

[WillyToad]

29. 2-3 degrees of seperation does not constitute 'linked'

Obama supporters have a Knack for never getting over things.

The whole thing is an idiotic non issue that would go away in a few days if they just ignored it, but Obama supporters will keep it in the news for the next two months by endlessly yammering on and on about it.

[FlaGranny]

32. LOL,

These "things" we should be "getting over" have only been brought up in response to nonsense about Obama's "associations." They are, in a way, retaliation for Wright, et al. In my opinion, Obama should use these in his campaign and emulate Clinton's tactics. Unfortunately, he's trying to play a cleaner game. If he'd use them, you'd see her numbers drop like a lead balloon.

[Occam Bandage]

30. Hillary Clinton. If that link gets out, she's toast.

[Bensthename]

31. A store clerk Hillary bought gum from once slept with an under age girl..

That will do it.

[burythehatchet]

36. was that store clerk Bill by any chance?

[Life Long Dem]

33. So "now" Hillary supporters want to move on?

So you can dish it out but you can't take it. Wimpy... wimpy... :cry: wimpy!

[burythehatchet]

37. great idea for a website...MoveOn...hmmm .. MoveOn.Net.. no no

[Hepburn]

35. Norman Hsu....for starters...

ABC Forgot Hillary's Reverend Wright Moments

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/17/10428/8817

[cooolandrew]

39. Hillary once knew Nixon and therefore was conspirator in the wtergate theft..

[cooolandrew]

40. Hillary lived in NY on 911 and so is responsible for the hijacking. follwing their logic.

[cooolandrew]

42. Hillary went to china for a speech and is now responsbile for the rhuman rights abuses.

[cooolandrew]

43. Hillary has met with Irish terrorists and so clearly is in the IRA.

[cooolandrew]

45. Hillary once went to south africa so is respnsible for Mandela's imprisonment. *shock*

[cooolandrew]

46. Or not as the case maybe.

[EFerrari]

41. Me!

:rofl:

sfexpat2000
Bro sfexpat & Momma sfexpat
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton!

She's a gonner! :hi:

[WillyT]

48. Oh... I Dunno...

:evilgrin:

[Willo]

50. This thread is from the "Don't Start None, Won't Be None " Album

Featuring these great hits:

"So, You Think Your Shit Don't Stink"

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"

"A Taste of Your Own Medicine"

"Fair and Fair alike"

"Let sleeping Dogs Lie"

[Swamp Rat]

51. PNAC - i.e. The Kyl-Lieberman amendment

Will Marshall:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295.html
Hillary Clinton on Will Marshall:
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253482&kaid=137&subid=900111
DLC:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463.html
PPI:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534.html

[TML]

53. My favorite

VINCE FOSTER! What happened when his office was cleaned out after his death? Inquiring minds want to know.

[merh]

54. what about doug coe

and the rev. moon? (okay, moon was she supports some of his policies)

[sniffa]

55. Well, there's always this

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351760,00.html

Best to vet her now than in October.

[PoliticalAmazon]

57. We can link her to Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones. n/t

[Aloha Spirit]

64. Dick Morris

[Aloha Spirit]

65. Peter Paul, Raffaello Follieri, Vinod Gupta, Ron Burkle..

[Aloha Spirit]

66. Frank Giustra... this game is too easy.

[Aloha Spirit]

68. Mayor Rivera (NJ), Raul Martinez, Alcee Hastings...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/clinton-supporter-arrested-in-nj-corruption-sting/

[cascadiance]

88. On Peter Paul, here's a good video to look at...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

[apocalypsehow]

67. Not even one degree of separation: how about the child rapist she zealously defended in 1975?

Now, is that an unfair attempt to make HRC look bad by linking her with someone she was obligated to defend as an attorney? You bet it is.

Is it any different than the slimy attempts to smear Obama by pretending Ayers was some kind of big moral authority in the Senator's life? You bet it isn't.

Geese, ganders, all of that.

[Aloha Spirit]

69. agreed.

[grantcart]

71. which of these known HRC associates would you want to be linked to today?

[Aloha Spirit]

72. These ne'er-do-wells

http://www.236.com/feed/2008/03/12/hillary_clintons_in_a_compromi_1_5091.php

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

74. Malcolm X and the Black Power Movement, and Muslims

through her friendship with Maya Angelou, who was very close to Malcolm.

Note, I am an Angelou fan, and I don't agree with the criticisms against these
people.

[Gore1FL]

75. Strom Thurmond

for one. They were friends in the senate.

I know for a fact that Gingrich was over at her house in the 1990s...

This is actually pretty easy to link people.

[Cheap_Trick]

76. bookmarking this useful thread

K&R!!!

[stillcool]

77. With the Clinton's it's more like

white on rice...

Clintons' InfoUSA Ties Scrutinized
by Peter Overby
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18958566
Last year, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton took the unusual step of renting out some of her lists. The transaction once again highlights the Clintons' connections to a businessman who now faces questions from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Reports from Clinton's campaign show that on Dec. 3, it collected payment for renting out three mailing lists, the sale of which netted them $8,225.

It was an unusual transaction, according to Roger Craver, a liberal guru of the political direct-mail industry.
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According to one direct-mail professional, $800,000 would have seemed like a more plausible price for a quality list...

Vin Gupta has a long history of giving and raising campaign money for the Clintons, and gave $1 million for the 2000 Millennium Celebration, a New Year's Party thrown by the Clintons.
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After the Clintons left the White House, Gupta hired Bill Clinton as a consultant. It's one of two continuing business relationships he has had since leaving office, and it has been worth $3.3 million, in addition to the options on 100,000 shares of stock.
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The corporate spending on behalf of the Clintons helped fuel a shareholder lawsuit against Gupta and 10 corporate directors.

There are plenty of other allegations in the suit about homes, cars, and a yacht for Gupta. A Delaware chancery court judge dismissed some of the allegations involving the Clintons. But the case is still proceeding. It has led to an informal inquiry by the Securities and Exchange Commission, which is also asking if Gupta misspent corporate funds.

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Susan E. Arnold Global Business President, Proctor & Gamble
Richard Branson Founder of Virgin chain
Laura Bush First Lady under George W. Bush
Bill Clinton 42nd US President, 1993-2001
Edward Djerejian US Ambassador to Israel, 1994
Vin Gupta CEO, InfoUSA
Norman Hsu Notorious Democratic donor
Julian H. Robertson, Jr. Tiger Management
Hector Ruiz Chairman and CEO, AMD
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With Friends Like These ...
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e
Norman Hsu, Hong Kong "apparel executive."

Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary's presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton's Senate races.

Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.
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Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.

In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.

Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.

Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.

In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary's presidential campaign.

According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, "Yet none of the legal and financial woes--occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents--raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fund-raising operation."

[Aloha Spirit]

79. john ashcroft (via doug coe)

[Aloha Spirit]

80. edwin meese (iran-contra) via doug coe

[Aloha Spirit]

81. General Suharto (via The Fellowship)

[Aloha Spirit]

82. Clinton's Pardons

http://0225.0145.01.040/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

[babylonsister]

83. How about Bill's release of the FALN to promote Hill's Senate career?

The Clintons' Terror Pardons
By DEBRA BURLINGAME
February 12, 2008; Page A17

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Mr. Clinton justified the clemencies by asserting that the sentences were disproportionate to the crimes. None of the petitioners, he stated, had been directly involved in crimes that caused bodily harm to anyone. "For me," the president concluded, "the question, therefore, was whether their continuing incarceration served any meaningful purpose."

His comments, including the astonishing claim that the FALN prisoners were being unfairly punished because of "guilt by association," were widely condemned as a concession to terrorists. Further, they were seen as an outrageous slap in the face of the victims and a bitter betrayal of the cops and federal law enforcement officers who had put their lives on the line to protect the public and who had invested years of their careers to put these people behind bars. The U.S. Sentencing Commission affirmed a pre-existing Justice Department assessment that the sentences, ranging from 30 to 90 years, were "in line with sentences imposed in other cases for similar terrorist activity."

The prisoners were convicted on a variety of charges that included conspiracy, sedition, violation of the Hobbes Act (extortion by force, violence or fear), armed robbery and illegal possession of weapons and explosives -- including large quantities of C-4 plastic explosive, dynamite and huge caches of ammunition. Mr. Clinton's action was opposed by the FBI, the Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. attorney offices that prosecuted the cases and the victims whose lives had been shattered. In contravention of standard procedures, none of these agencies, victims or families of victims were consulted or notified prior to the president's announcement.

snip//

Federal law enforcement agencies considered these individuals so dangerous, extraordinary security precautions were taken at their numerous trials. Courthouse elevators were restricted and no one, including the court officers, was permitted to carry a firearm in the courtroom.

Given all this, why would Bill Clinton, who had ignored the 3,226 clemency petitions that had piled up on his desk over the years, suddenly reach into the stack and pluck out these 16 meritless cases? (The New York Times ran a column with the headline, "Bill's Little Gift.")

Hillary Rodham Clinton was in the midst of her state-wide "listening tour" in anticipation of her run for the U.S. Senate in New York, a state which included 1.3 million Hispanics. Three members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus -- Luis V. Gutierrez (D., Ill.), Jose E. Serrano, (D., N.Y.) and Nydia M. Velazquez, (D., N.Y.) -- along with local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights advocates, had been agitating for years on behalf of the FALN cases directly to the White House and first lady.

more...

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120277819085260827.html

[Aloha Spirit]

84. You read my mind,,, how you do dat? Here's wiki on pardon controversies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy

[babylonsister]

85. Ever since I read about this it's been a bug in my bonnet, and it's a lot

more recent than the Weathermen ever thought about being. Plus, their pardon had a direct impact on Hillary herself. That's not even 6 degrees...not to mention how brutal this group was.

[Aloha Spirit]

87. Me too. I understand the political game is different in P.R., but

the part about them not renouncing violence after they were pardoned... made me sick.

[KittyWampus]

89. I'll have to start a thread about that tomorrow (out of threads for the day)

[otohara]

86. She Kissed Arafat's wife

Jewish folks were mighty upset over that one.

[tammywammy]

90. And then she suddendly revealed a Jewish step-grandfather

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/08/06/politics/main57322.shtml

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

91. The Black Panthers 1!!!!111!!!

She was a Yale Law school student during the Rackley murder trial and she monitored the trial for civil rights violations ! Oh noessss!!11!!

[Bjorn Against]

93. ...

[Alexander]

95. REZKO!!

:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

96. lol! this all we got?

:D

[mod mom]

102. JACKSON STEPHENS Bush + Walmart + Harken Energy + BCCI + Clinton Financier:

1 Jackson Stephens rivals Bath in his role as conduit between high-level factions. A Little Rock, Arkansas tycoon who attended the U.S. Naval Academy with Jimmy Carter and staked Sam Walton to found Wal-Mart in 1970, Stephens was owner of the notoriously toxic WTI Incinerator in East Liverpool, OH, and a munificent contributor to the campaign warchests of both Bill Clinton and George Bush, Sr. He was also embroiled in the BCCI affair through his association with BCCI satellite Union Bank of Switzerland—UBS, in turn, contributed $25 million to the moribund Harken Energy Corp.

http://www.wburg.com/0202/arts/lombardi.html

[HardWorkingDem]

106. Forget Hillary...the attention should be on McCain!

McCain, McCain, McCain...

[mdmc]

108. Barry Goldwater

[BlooInBloo]

109. Let's not. That's bush. We don't need to do that.

[merh]

112. tony rodham - her dead beat dad of a brother

[Why Syzygy]

113. WalMart

[FlaGranny]

114. If Hillary comes up with more nonsense,

I would implore him to use some of the stuff in this thread, even though I'm pretty certain he would not. If Obama had only half of the baggage Hillary Clinton does, she'd be blasting him with it. What's she got? Ayers, Wright, flag pins. BLAH! The list of associations he could slam her with are too extensive for one person to remember them all. It galls me that she'll throw the kitchen sink, but it is gratifying that she has no real garbage to put in it.