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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:29 AM
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If ABC ran the Lincoln-Douglas Debates
Mods: if this is "inappropriate" for GDP, please lock (I already posted in The Lounge :) ) I just thought the folks here would enjoy as much as I did.

:rofl:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/04/the-lincoln-dou.html

The Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858

MR. GIBSON: So we're going to begin with opening statements, and we had a flip of the coin, and the brief opening statement first from Mr. Lincoln.

LINCOLN: Thank you very much, Charlie and George, and thanks to all in the audience and who are out there. I appear before you today for the purpose of discussing the leading political topics which now agitate the public mind.

We are now far into the fifth year since a policy was initiated with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased, but has constantly augmented.

STEPHANOPOULOS: I’m sorry to interrupt, but do you think Mr. Douglas loves America as much you do?

LINCOLN: Sure I do.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But who loves America more?

LINCOLN: I’d prefer to get on with my opening statement George.

STEPHANOPOULOS: If your love for America were eight apples, how many apples would Senator Douglas’s love be?

LINCOLN: Eight.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Proceed.

LINCOLN: In my opinion, slavery will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Excuse me, did an Elijah H. Johnson attend your church?

LINCOLN: When I was a boy in Illinois forty years ago, yes. I think he was a deacon.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Are you aware that he regularly called Kentucky “a land of swine and whores”?

LINCOLN: Sounds right -- his ex-wife was from Kentucky.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Why did you remain in the church after hearing those statements?

LINCOLN: I was eight.

DOUGLAS: This is an important question George -- it's an issue that certainly will be raised in the fall.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you denounce him?

LINCOLN: I’d like to get back to the divided house if I may.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you denounce and reject him?

LINCOLN: If it will make you shut up, yes, I denounce and reject him.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you denounce and reject him with sugar on top?

LINCOLN: Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: No takesies-backsies?

LINCOLN: Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Whoa, so you would consider a takesie-backsie?

LINCOLN: That’s not what I meant…

DOUGLAS: When I was 11, my grandpappy and I chopped wood and shot bears.

LINCOLN: Ahem, I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect slavery will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you love America this much (extending fingers), this much (extending hands slightly), or thiiiiiis much (extending hands broadly)?

LINCOLN: I think we covered this…

GIBSON: If I may interrupt…

LINCOLN: Please.

GIBSON: I noticed, Mr. Lincoln, that your American flag pin was upside down…

LINCOLN: Yes, the wind caught it. Now, as I was saying...

GIBSON: We get questions about this all the time over at Powerline and on Hannity’s talk show. Mr. Douglas has said this is a major vulnerability for you in the fall. So I’ll ask again – do you love America?

LINCOLN: (scowling with a forced smile). Yes.

GIBSON: If your love for America were ice cream, what flavor would it be?

LINCOLN: (pausing with disgust and turning back to camera) Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South.

DOUGLAS: He didn’t answer the question Charlie. This fall, that question is going to be on the minds of the American public. I’ve proudly stated that my love for America is Very Berry Strawberry.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask it another way. If Elijah Johnson were chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, would you eat it? Or would you decline to eat it?

DOUGLAS: Personally, as for me, I would decline to eat it.

LINCOLN (shaking his head): Let any one who doubts, carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination -- piece of machinery, so to speak -- compounded of the Nebraska doctrine, and the Dred Scott decision.

STEPHANOPOULOS: We’ll get to Dred Scott in the second hour, time willing, but I want to get back to the ice cream question. And that's what we'll do, after the break.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:34 AM
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1. This deserves to be on the Greatest Page. So, I recommended.
:thumbsup:
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:36 AM
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3. Heh. Thanks!
:D
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:34 AM
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2. kr
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:40 AM
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4. "his ex-wife was from Kentucky"
Uh-oh ... it's no wonder that not one woman voted for Lincoln. Not one.



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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:45 AM
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7. Yep not a single woman voted for Licoln
He was from Illinois too! What does that tell you?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:42 AM
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5. Best. Debate. EVAH!!!
To Clinton supporters.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:21 AM
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26. Yes. It. IS!!!!
All Lincoln can do is whine about all the tough questions.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:44 AM
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6. So that's why Lincoln lost.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:53 AM
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13. The senate race yes but when things got thick Americans choose the better person
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:45 AM
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8. Excellent. But u.s "journalism" hasn't changed
Trash newspapers pilloried all the great leaders of our past. ABC empty suits are just holding up a tradition Benjamin Bache started long ago in Philly.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:46 AM
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9. Didn't get past 3rd line before lol!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:48 AM
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11. My fav: LINCOLN: If it will make you shut up, yes, I denounce and reject him.
:rofl:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:46 AM
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10. Please send it to all the Media

and of course more K and R's
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:49 AM
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12. That was hilarious
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:58 AM
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14. Brilliant!
:rofl:
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:14 AM
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15. Sadly, we've fallen so far from true debates...
During the time of the Lincoln/Douglas debates,
they spoke for several hours, then the competitor spoke,
and then they answered. There were no 'moderators,'
and as the candidate stood on tree stumps (to make them visible
to the crowds, hence the term "stumping" for campaigning)..
the people stood for hours
to hear the speeches, which were usually memorized...

And Abe Lincoln was vilified in the press for many things...

They called him an ape and a monkey because he was so tall,
and there were times he didn't have a decorous appearance,
unlike Steven Douglas who may have been kind of a dandy.

Lincoln was never baptized, and rarely attended a church,
unless it was to hear a particular orator.

Lincoln was never a successful legislator,and was NOT
in office when he became the first republican nominee...

He made his name because of his oratory skills,
he made tours of the upper midwest, speaking engagements
that drew tremendous crowds.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:53 AM
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17. Also remember the Lincoln-Douglass debates were for a Senate race decided by the legislature.
The people hearing the debate could not vote for their choice on election day. The state legislature elected the Senators.

Really, nothing prevents campaigns from having a debate without a moderator asking the questions. What now passes for a debate is more correctly a concurrent press conference. The Lincoln Douglass debate format was based upon equal time to speak without a moderator asking questions.

The question was did the candidate wish to speak first or last.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:05 AM
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18. And actually had less political experience than Obama
That's something I'm surprised no one brings up when people harp on Obama's lack of "experience."
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 10:52 AM
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16. kick!
spot on!!!!

:rofl:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:07 AM
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19. i just posted this in gd
i guess no one`s going to miss this today!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:45 AM
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20. Hilarious
thanks
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:22 PM
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21. My supreme pleasure.
I was hoping others would enjoy it as much as I did. :D
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 03:33 PM
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22. STILL whining about the debate eh?
get over it. geeze.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:00 PM
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23. Um... I am laughing. I'll issue an APB on your sense of humor since it seems to be missing.

:eyes:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 07:35 AM
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27. LOL
Jesus. :eyes:

Some people wouldn't recognize humor if it hit them in the ass.

I wish I were clever enough to come up with a funny parody like that.

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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:02 PM
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24. OMG...too freaking funny!
K&R
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 04:05 PM
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25. This is amazing! Thank you!
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