MoveOn speaks for me

[proud2BlibKansan]

I have spent a fair amount of time criticizing MoveOn but this statement by Hillary just stuns me. Is she really this stupid? Why would she want to alienate the millions of MoveOn members?

Wow, just wow.

"Moveon.org endorsed Sen. Barack Obama -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

You know what, Hillary? There weren't any MoveOn folks at my caucus, no one from MoveOn contacted me and encouraged me to go and no one from MoveOn told me who to support at the caucus. Yet we still chose Barack Obama. How do you explain that, Hillary? Some OTHER vast conspiracy to deprive you of the nomination you think you deserve? You are really losing it woman. Time for a looonnng vacation.

[dkf]

1. She thinks Obama is being funded mostly by MoveOn voters?

See how clueless she is? Her analysis of the situation sucks!

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. But even if MoveOn members were the base of Obama's support,

this is really a stupid thing for her to say. Since MoveOn has such a huge membership, and no one would argue that the majority of MoveOn members are either Democrats or lean Democrat, why wouldn't Hillary want to reach out to them for their support? It's really stupid of her to piss off MoveOn. And like I said, I have had my own issues with MoveOn, but I sure recognize their power and if it comes down to a MoveOn VS Hillary battle, I am with MoveOn.

[Bensthename]

2. Sad thing is MSM will never show it. She has them in her pocket.

[burythehatchet]

3. She is not stupid. She's gambling that she can attract the right by parroting

Rove's smears. She's gambling that she can get more votes from the right than the 3 MM she loses by throwing MoveOn under her campaign bus.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Yes I think you are right

And that's one more reason for me to oppose her candidacy.

[lligrd]

4. Ditto Here

Though for Hillary's sake maybe we should change the name to Move Out!

[kid a]

6. me too - the Clintons have become OUT OF TOUCH with progressive voters.

If we can get at least 45% of all the votes in PA, this might end soon.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. Yes very much out of touch with progressives

The comment about Afghanistan really gets to me. Yes, Hillary, some of us (lots of us actually) opposed the war on Afghanistan.

[NorthCarolina]

23. The Clinton's are hard core DLC, I seriously doubt they were ever IN TOUCH with Progressives

This statement is simply further validation of their corporate-conservative leanings.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. But they want us to THINK they are progressive

I heard Bill speak here right before Super Tuesday and he must have used the word 'progressive' a dozen times.

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

9. nobody from MoveOn at my caucus either

But, it went overwhelmingly for Obama in this reddest of red counties in Colorado. Let me tell ya, LOADS of "activists Dems" here :eyes:

[hisownpetard]

10. Talk about trying to intimidate people at the caucuses! Bill Clinton went to the caucuses in Nevada

and stood there, in person, shaking hands of startled voters and chatting them up as they were on their way in!!

I remember being really ticked about that because I didn't think he should have been allowed to do that,
for the same reason that, on election day, no one is allowed to proselytize or campaign at the polling places.
I've never heard a word of criticism about this fact, but Hillary's 'whining' in the above-quoted article
reminded me.

And, no, she doesn't want to alienate millions of MoveOn supporters; obviously, she did not count on this information
getting out.

Think again, Sybil.

[grasswire]

11. moveon's influence is overrated.

3.2 members, many of whom are not in lockstep. They could only get 500,000 of those to sign the anti-war petition!

In contrast, the Democratic Party has 72 million members.

[babylonsister]

12. Especially by Hillary, it would seem. She screwed up, pure and simple. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. I think it is stupid to piss off 500,000 members of a progressive group

if you are a Democratic candidate.

[grasswire]

14. they must have calculated that they would get more votes...

....by this act. Or it was just a statement not meant to ever be repeated outside the group she was addressing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. A lot of us in the antiwar movement refused to sign MoveOn's petition.

In fact I got more emails telling me not to sign it than I got from MoveOn asking me to sign it. I got phone calls too.

As for a statement that was not meant to be repeated, she is running for president. I wouldn't think anything she says should be viewed as something that won't be repeated.

[Saturday]

15. MoveOn has already pissed off 1/2 of their members by endorsing . nt

[anonymous171]

17. It was put to a vote. The members themselves decided.

[proud2BlibKansan]

19. Got a link to that?

I seriously doubt half of MoveOn's members support Hillary. MoveOn is a progressive organization and Hillary is not progressive.

[Swamp Rat]

22. That is a current factoid being promulgated here lately.

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

[Mooney]

29. Hillary Clinton can't afford to piss anyone off.

When you're in second place, it makes sense to make nice.

[livetohike]

18. She's demonizing good democrats - active democrats

Maybe she'll run as McCain's VP. This is sickening. Or better than that, run with Lieberman on an Independent ticket.

[shadowknows69]

20. She's proven herself to be nothing more than a puppet of the power elite

NO better than Bush in that respect in my opinion.

[Swamp Rat]

21. Way to alienate voters who "turn out in great numbers."

:dunce:

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. LOL She is toast!

Hey can we sell that on ebay?

[EFerrari]

24. I'm a MoveOn critic, too, but the cynicism of saying one thing to their face

and another behind their back is nauseating.

[quakerboy]

25. Its a shame

Yet another Clinton dagger in the back. Ironic, considering where move on came from.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Yes it really is ironic

She appears to not think before she says a lot of things.

[boppers]

28. It's never her fault.

Eventually, everyone around must take some of the blame.

Everybody but her, of course.

[Median Democrat]

31. Don't Worry - Its Hillary's Poltical Brilliance

Remember when Bill Clinton attack Sista Soulja during the 1992 Presidential Campaign? This move was risky, because it was an appeal to caucasion votes at the expense of African Americans. I think Hillary's attack on Moveon.org is similar. Hillary is appealing to centrist and conservative voters by attacking Moveon.org. I think an even more effective move during the general election would be for her to advocate some anti-immigration platform like making entering into the country illegally a felony. This will appeal to those Americans who blame immigrants for the loss jobs and benefits due to competition from lower undocumented workers. Again, its classic triangulation that will bring the Democrats back to the whitehouse.

[Median Democrat]

32. Don't Worry - Its Hillary's Poltical Brilliance

Remember when Bill Clinton attack Sista Soulja during the 1992 Presidential Campaign? This move was risky, because it was an appeal to caucasion votes at the expense of African Americans. I think Hillary's attack on Moveon.org is similar. Hillary is appealing to centrist and conservative voters by attacking Moveon.org. I think an even more effective move during the general election would be for her to advocate some anti-immigration platform like making entering into the country illegally a felony. This will appeal to those Americans who blame immigrants for the loss jobs and benefits due to competition from lower undocumented workers. Again, its classic triangulation that will bring the Democrats back to the whitehouse.