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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:47 PM
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Last Memo To PENNSYLVANIA... Hillary LIED About NAFTA !!!
Hillary's NAFTA Lies Kill All of Her Credibility on Trade
Posted by John Nichols, The Nation at 7:24 AM on March 22, 2008.

<snip>

What is the proper word for the claim by Hillary Clinton and the more factually disinclined supporters of her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination -- made in speeches, briefings and interviews (including one by this reporter with the candidate) -- that she has always been a critic of the North American Free Trade Agreement?

Now that we know from the 11,000 pages of Clinton White House documents released this week that former First Lady was an ardent advocate for NAFTA; now that we know she held at least five meetings to strategize about how to win congressional approval of the deal; now that we know she was in the thick of the manuevering to block the efforts of labor, farm, environmental and human rights groups to get a better agreement. Now that we know all of this, how should we assess the claim that Hillary's heart has always beaten to a fair-trade rhythm?

Now that we know from official records of her time as First Lady that Clinton was the featured speaker at a closed-door session where 120 women opinion leaders were hectored to pressure their congressional representatives to approve NAFTA; now that we know from ABC News reporting on the session that "her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA" and that "there was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time;" now that we have these details confirmed, what should we make of Clinton's campaign claim that she was never comfortable with the militant free-trade agenda that has cost the United States hundreds of thousands of union jobs, that has idled entire industries, that has saddled this country with record trade deficits, undermined the security of working families in the US and abroad, and has forced Mexican farmers off their land into an economic refugee status that ultimately forces them to cross the Rio Grande River in search of work?


As she campaigns now, Clinton says, "I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning."

But the White House records confirm that this is not true.

Her statement is, to be precise, a lie.

When it comes to the essential test of the trade debate, Clinton has been identified as a liar -- a put-in-boldface-type "L-I-A-R" liar.

Those of us who covered the 1993 NAFTA debate have frequently expressed doubts about the former First Lady's recent statements. We never heard anything at the time about her dissenting from the Clinton Administration line on trade policy. And we knew that she had defended NAFTA in the years following its enactment. But fairness required that we at least entertain that notion--promoted by the lamentable David Gergen, himself a champion of free-trade policies while working in the Clinton White House--that Hillary Clinton had been a behind-the-scenes critic. We had to at least consider the possibility that, at the very least, Clinton had been worried that advancing NAFTA would trip up her advocacy for health care reform, that she had made her concerns known and that she had absented herself from pro-NAFTA lobbying.

This was certainly the impression that Clinton and her supporters sought to create as she campaigned in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana--states where worried workers want to know exactly where the candidates have stood and currently stand with regard to trade issues.

But that impression was a deliberate deception.

And we must all now recognize that when Hillary Clinton speaks about trade policy, she begins with a lie so blatant--that she's been "a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning"--that everything else she says must be viewed as suspect.


<snip>

Link: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80454/www.thenation....

:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:48 PM
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1. Memo To YOU
This is an opinion piece.

Thanks.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:51 PM
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3. Can You Challenge The Opinion ???
I mean with facts and such?

:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:53 PM
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5. You mean MY Opinion vs HIS Opinion?
Nah...

That would be like GDP and stuff.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:57 PM
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10. No... It Seems That He Is An Actual Journalist, Who Actually Interviewed...
Candidate Clinton on the subject, wrote down the words she said to him, and then when further information came out through public records recently disclosed, got pissed at being lied to and set the record straight.

Question: What would you have done in similar circumstances???

:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:59 PM
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13. LOL...
I certainly wouldn't use that as the "rock my church was built on."
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:21 PM
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17. The Nation Magazine... Is Just A Magazine...
But so is every other magazine, newpaper, and political poll you've ever heard about.

It must be nice to choose the reality you choose.



:shrug:


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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:23 PM
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19. Opinions are like
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:26 PM by prodn2000
Crazy uncles.

There is at least one in every family.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:30 PM
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22. One Pill Make You Larger... And One Pill Makes You Small...
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xhYk9PEmXA

Good luck my friend...

:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:40 PM
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25. Stay away from pills...
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:43 PM
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26. One Last Question... Can You Refute Jon Nichol's Piece ???
Or is it just that you don't like what it says.

:shrug:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 04:07 AM
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32. Arguing with opinion is pointless. Right?
:shrug:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:21 PM
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30. Memo to you: THE DOCUMENTS THAT PROVE SHE LIED AREN'T.
NT!

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 04:09 AM
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33. PROVIDE AN ACTUAL NEWS STORY OR STFU
NT!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:49 PM
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2. PA has lost 207,000 jobs since 2001 and there wasn't a single trade question in the "debate"
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 08:53 PM by BeyondGeography
the other night. Wal-Mart is now the state's largest employer; there should have been a half hour on trade and economic development. Instead, you had a guy who makes $16 million a year obsessing about increases in the capital gains tax and Bill Clinton's ex-spokesman asking Obama if Jeremiah Wright loves the country as much as he does.

Unreal. What a fucked country this is.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:52 PM
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4. Maybe Oprah can open a flag pin factory....
IN Pennsylvania.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:54 PM
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6. What does Oprah have to do with anything?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:58 PM
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12. Harpo Productions has gross reciepts that exceed the
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:05 PM by prodn2000
GDP(haha) or NDP of many countries.

Can't she help?

She is one his biggest supporters, after all.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:55 PM
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8. Good one
:thumbsup:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:00 PM
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14. Maybe You Can Open Up A "Return To Common Sense" Shelter...
for the common sense impaired.

:wtf:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:02 PM
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15. :-)
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:22 PM
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18. Who says you can't have fun in GD:P
:thumbsup:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:24 PM
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20. Not me!
:thumbsup:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:54 PM
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7. Politifact.com: Obama LIED about Clinton and NAFTA
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:57 PM
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11. From your link:
"The Obama campaign got that phrase from an issues summary in the Sept. 11, 2006, edition of Newsday in which the Long Island newspaper, in its own words, stated that Clinton believed the trade agreement to be a boon to the economy."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:23 PM
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31. Deleted message
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 08:56 PM
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9. Thanks Willy
If I had known you knew all of their emails I wouldn't have bothered with all of these posts and just sent them to you for delivery lol.

By the way I would like to give you some assistance on some of the comments upthread but ignore doesn't say anything to me.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:07 PM
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16. No Sweat grantcart... You And Me Make A Beautiful Team, Eh ???


:bounce::yourock::bounce:

:hi:
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:25 PM
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21. Yes
all those voices in your empty head would be most disquieting. They would interfere with the collective cult brain.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:31 PM
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23. Well If Anybody Would Know About The Collective Cult Brain...
Edited on Sat Apr-19-08 09:33 PM by WillyT
:rofl::hi::rofl:
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:14 PM
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28. It wouldn't be me
I am an individualist, look it up, as it is a word you wouldn't understand cultist.

By the way, are you so brain dead that you had to edit smilies????
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:41 PM
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39. first post where he didn't identify himself as an attorney
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 09:39 PM
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24. Nafta &Colombia, nothing but lies
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:09 PM
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27. K&R
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-19-08 11:20 PM
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29. clinton voters in that state must have been LIVID to learn she lied to them.
The worst part must have been the utter lack of doubt, since official government records PROVE she lied about her support for NAFTA.

She's a liar. NAFTA, Tuzla, the hospital - where does it end?

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 04:27 AM
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34. But did they ever find out? I tend to doubt it.
Just like the White Reagan voters haven't found out about this quote!

"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/hillary-clinton-on-working-class-white.html


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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:51 AM
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35. Kick !!!
:kick:
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 01:40 PM
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36. Great post-K&R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:34 PM
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37. Thank You !!!
:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 02:35 PM
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38. She lied big. She was the closer. n/t
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 05:50 PM
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40. kick
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:45 PM
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41. Kick !!!
kick:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 06:50 PM
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42. MEMO TO PA: Obama LIED about Clinton and NAFTA!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/373/

"Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a 'boon' to our economy."
Barack Obama on Wednesday, February 13th, 2008 in a flier sent to voters in Ohio

She never said "boon"

For weeks, Sen. Barack Obama has been quoting Sen. Hillary Clinton as saying that the North American Free Trade Agreement had been a "boon" to the U.S. economy.

He used the phrase in a recent mailing to voters in Ohio (the headline said Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was 'a boon' to our economy"), and he used it in a Jan. 21, 2008, debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

"I know that Hillary on occasion has said — just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy," Obama said. "I think it has been devastating, because our trade agreements did not have labor standards and environmental standards that would assure that workers in the U.S. were getting a square deal."

"Obama's use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading," Janison wrote. "The quote marks make it look as if Hillary said 'boon,' not us. It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office."

PolitiFact might be inclined to give Obama a Barely True ruling for this one, but since he has consistently used the word with no evidence — even going so far as to say she said it "just last year," we find the statement False.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:26 PM
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43. Kick !!!
:kick:
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:41 PM
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44. Big Kick! n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:31 PM
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47. K and K
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:11 AM
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45. a kick for Pennsylvania!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 05:27 AM
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46.  Kick...
:kick:
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