HRC's brother involved in pot smoking/assault episode at Lake Winola cottage

[Divernan]

Yes part of this post goes back to 2001 - but we have had to hear repeatedly what a great Pennsylvania tradition for the Clinton family to keep returning to the cottage "my grandfather built". And the delinquent child support is as of late last year, when he was fund-raising for HRC>

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Rodham
In August 2001, Tony Rodham was involved in an assault episode at the multi-generational Rodham family summer cottage<15><16> at Lake Winola, Wyoming County, Pennsylvania.<17> A man who claimed he saw Rodham having sex with his girlfriend broke into the cottage and assaulted him; Hugh Rodham and the woman restrained the attacker.<17> Both Tony Rodham and the attacker received some injuries.<18> At a hearing on the case in November 2001, Tony Rodham testified that he might have smoked marijuana with the attacker several hours before the incident.<19> The man subsequently pleaded guilty to trespassing, assault, and making terroristic threats.<16> By 2002, Rodham was in disputes with his former wife (Barbara Boxer's daughter) over child support payments, with Nicole Boxer saying he had not paid them in six months.<9>

As of mid-2007, Tony Rodham was helping Hillary Clinton raise funds in Pennsylvania for her 2008 presidential campaign.<10> By the end of 2007, he was back in the news for owing Nicole Boxer some $158,000 in back alimony, child support, and related payments following a court judgement.<9>

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If you go to the link above, you'll find a lot more info on the Rodham brothers' wheeling and dealing re presidential pardons and other escapades.

Maybe HRC can loan her kid brother enough to pay child support for her nephew. But I guess child support is not a legitimate "feminist" issue as far as her supporters are concerned.

[Ned_Devine]

1. who cares?

I never believe anything that uses pot smoking and assault in the same sentence.

[Kittycat]

2. Wow. What a disgusting slime ball.

Must run in the family.

[Divernan]

3. Fascinating that Barbara Boxer is grandmother to HRC's nephew.

Love to see Barbara get in HRC's face on the Senate floor:
"Hillary, when is your dirtbag brother going to pay child support for my grandson?"

HRC: "Don't get your HOPES up."

or "Enough with the arm waving and big guilt trips."

or "Maybe the heavens will open up and the money will fall out and everything will be wonderful."

[davidpdx]

10. The family connection between Boxer and Clinton is interesting

I didn't know that. I wonder how well known that is. Very strange since both of them are Senators.

[grantcart]

17. Boxer refuses to publicly endorse Clinton or campaign for her

She says that the only reason that she will vote for her is because she won the California primary.

[GoldieAZ49]

4. you don't choose your family, you do choose your pastor and mentor

comprehend?

[anonymous171]

6. OK, so what does Hillary's choice to belong to the Fellowship mean then?

[GoldieAZ49]

56. So, she studies the bible with fellow senators in Washington DC

they don't make false accusations against the government peddling drugs, creating HIV to oppress a race nor do they advocate sing God damn America.

Capiche?

[Hepburn]

65. The fat, dope smoking, deadbeat dad slob is working in her campaign....

...she CHOSE him to do that.

Capiche? :eyes:

[Divernan]

7. He's fund raising for her, comprehend?

And he has a long history of exploiting his family connections to her and Bill for his personal gain.
She got him a job at the DNC, for one thing.

More from the OP link:

"He did work for future brother-in-law Bill Clinton's 1974 nomination campaign for Congress.<3> He then worked at a metal equipment company in Texas,<2> did insurance sales in Chicago, acted as a repo man in Chicago (where shots were fired at him in the infamous Cabrini-Green housing project),<4> worked as a prison guard,<4> before moving to South Florida in 1983. There he shared a condominium with his brother Hugh, and worked as a process server and private detective until 1992.<2> In 1992, during Bill Clinton's first presidential campaign, Rodham began working for the Democratic National Committee, coordinating constituency outreach.<2>


Consultant and controversies
In 1993, he and his brother Hugh ignited a small controversy when they tried to solicit corporate donations for Clinton's inaugural parties; they dropped the effort after a public outcry.<5>
On May 28, 1994, Rodham married Nicole Boxer, daughter of United States Senator from California Barbara Boxer, in a ceremony at the White House attended by 250 guests;<6> it was the first White House wedding since Tricia Nixon married Edward Cox in 1971.<6> They had one son, Zachary, in 1996<7><8> (who later held a unique distinction in that he was simultaneously the grandson and nephew of sitting U.S. senators), before separating by 2000<9> and then getting a divorce.

By now, Tony Rodham had left his position at the Democratic National Committee<10> and described himself as "a consultant ... all kinds of businesses. I'm a general consultant. I just bring different peoples together. I help them negotiate deals. I solve problems for people."<7> In 1997, Rodham tried to arrange meetings between Paraguayan President Juan Carlos Wasmosy and President Clinton,<10> and also powerful Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov and the President.<4> In 1998, he paid a visit to dictatorial Prime Minister Hun Sen of Cambodia.<10> In each of these cases, there was criticism that he was giving an unauthorized impression of White House approval to these foreign figures, or was seeking financial gain for himself.<10><4>

In 1999, Tony and brother Hugh Rodham entered into a $118 million venture to grow and export hazelnuts from the Republic of Georgia.<11> The U.S. State Department and National Security Advisor Sandy Berger became upset, however, when the Rodhams' local business connection in Batumi turned out to be Aslan Abashidze, a major political opponent of Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze, then a key U.S. ally in the region.<4><11> Moreover, Tony Rodham flew to Rome to become godfather to Abashidze's grandson.<4> After initial resistance,<4> Berger and the Clintons prevailed upon the Rodham brothers to drop the deal.<11> Tony Rodham would not state what his financial stake in the venture was.<4>

Episodes such as these led Hillary Clinton's White House staff to refer to Tony and Hugh as "the Brothers Rodham",<12> extending the American tradition of troublesome presidential siblings to the brother-in-law category;<4> one senior White House official would be quoted as saying, "You never wanted to hear their name come up in any context other than playing golf."<12>

In March 2001, it was revealed that Tony Rodham had helped gain a March 2000 presidential pardon for Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, a Tennessee couple in the carnival business who had been convicted of bank fraud.<13> The pardon was granted over the objections of the U.S. Justice Department.<13> Rodham acknowledged talking to President Clinton about a pardon;<7> he said he received no money for his work, but he did have financial ties to the couple as a consultant.<13> His actions gained much public focus and criticism, as they came on the heels of the general Bill Clinton pardons controversy and his brother Hugh's own involvement in taking money for work done towards pardons.<7> Hillary Clinton, who had strongly criticized Hugh's involvement and requested he return his money, said that Tony Rodham was not paid for his work.<14> The Republican-controlled House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform investigated the matter and concluded that Tony Rodham had in fact been paid.<14> One aspect of the case dragged out into 2007, as Tony Rodham battled a bankruptcy court's order that he repay over $100,000 in loans from the now-deceased Edgar Gregory.<14>

[Maddy McCall]

11. When you copy other people's words, you should cite.

Otherwise, it's plagiarism.

[guyanakoolaid]

29. Something Hillary and her writers are more than familiar with. btw, you're completely wrong...

the writer you replied to said the text in their post was from link in the OP

[Blue-Jay]

78. .

When you copy other people's words, you should cite.
Posted by Maddy McCall


Otherwise, it's plagiarism.

[GoldieAZ49]

59. Michelle exploited her connection to Barrack and got a $200,000 a year raise

when Barrack sent $1 million in earmarks to her employer

So our tax dollars went right into Obama's bank account.

She is fundraising for the campaign as well as lobbyists.


Capiche?

[guyanakoolaid]

27. Would love an explanation of the Fellowship whenever you get the time..

:crickets:

[GoldieAZ49]

60. So, she studies the bible with fellow senators in Washington DC

they don't make false accusations against the government peddling drugs, creating HIV to oppress a race nor do they advocate sing God damn America.

Capiche?

[Warren DeMontague]

77. Wait a minute. "false accusastions against the gov't peddling drugs"? Are you serious?

Are you honestly suggesting you don't think there's ever been ANY connection between, say, the CIA , the Contras, and the cocaine trade in Central America during the 80s? Or the CIA and the heroin trade in SE Asia during Vietnam? Despite the fucking MOUNTAINS of evidence corroborating both?

Really?

I can't speak to the HIV thing specifically, although I know Rev. Wright isn't the only religious leader (cough. Falwell. Cough. Robertson.) who has said some whacky shit at the pulpit. And the US Government DOES have a history -i.e. Tuskeegee- of coldly using black men in medical experiments that resulted in death.

As far as "the Fellowship", Tom Coburn, one of Hillary's Fellowship pals, advocates the death penalty for abortion doctors, and -if anti-choice rhetoric is to be taken seriously- by extension, any women who use the birth control pill. Rick Santorum -another Fellowship member- said five things far more offensive on a good day than Rev. Wright ever said in his LIFE.

Anyway, endlessly flailing this Wright shit comes off as pure desperation. Every time it's flogged it highlights the fact that Hillary is running on fumes.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Ech. The first thing I was going to post in this thread was about how off-base the whole topic is

but apparently, some people don't grasp that ANY guilt by association is fucking obnoxious.

Oooh! His pastor!

Give it a rest, already. :eyes:

[GoldieAZ49]

62. Farrakhan, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Rezko all choices Obama made

I agree with you, Obama can go back to Illinois and rest for 20 years.

[Warren DeMontague]

76. Obama's going to be the nominee. Deal with it.

Or, stomp your foot and go "waaaaaah! Not fair!".

Your choice.

[goclark]

83. IMO, you do " choose your family"....

When Bill had an affair, with Monica, at their home, the WH,she had the option to deselect him from her family. All the world knew it and she knew the world knew it.

She gets a pass but she now wants to say that Obama needed to leave his church. HA! She needed to leave her marriage. I would have left if someone had publicly embarrassed me and my darling daughter.

That option is called a divorce.

People do it everyday.

Isn't the average that 50% of the marriages end in divorce?

She stayed /sat there and took his adultery when she had the option to leave.


Now Obama was a member of a church that had over 1000 members. His church was in the heart of Chicago and it addressed the needs of the community. He had been a Community organizer.

Rev. Wright is not running for President.

Obama is running for President. Obama didn't make the remarks,Rev. Wright did and Rev. Wright was gracious enough to support her husband when he was in the middle of Impeachment.

But her memory fogs out on that event.

Let's hear her publicly thank Rev. Wright for being supportive of her husband and family member.

[karynnj]

5. She's not responsible for her brother

The only thing that she and WJC can be blamed for is the pardon her brother was involved with. Even Jimmy Carter had a brother who created trouble - and few doubt Carter was a good person. I bet if you look far and hard enough everyone has some relative who could be a problem.

There are plenty of real things to dislike HRC over.

[stillcool]

8. How can that be?

did she denounce what he had done?

[Divernan]

15. No, as long as he loyally fundraises for her, no problem-

[Divernan]

9. Read my lengthy post above and inform yourself

[Major Hogwash]

41. Yeah and this is another one.

"There are plenty of real things to dislike HRC over."

It seems like not paying their bills is a family tradition.

[KaptBunnyPants]

63. Well, she seems to hold Obama responsible for every person he has ever met.

If the standard is "What will the Republicans say?", as Hillary claims, why not just throw away fairness and launch these kinds of attacks against each other? That's what the Republicans will do.

[karynnj]

74. Two wrongs don't make a right

My point is NOT that her brother is not a creep - he clearly is.

The biggest problem is what the Clintons themselves did - that they include him in their campaign and that they took his recommendations on pardons. I think that is where the focus needs to be and it has little to do with his being her brother. The problem is that given the type of person he is that they include him in their political life.

[kid a]

12. I'd like to know what role these two characters will play in a HRC whitehouse?

Sounds shady...working the pardon for corrupt carnies?
Political deals in Eastern Europe?
Seem like they like to get into the thick of things.

[Maddy McCall]

13. I believe that child support is a feminist issue.

I think that Rodham's behavior is despicable.

But that's not Hillary's behavior, so I hardly see how this has anything to do with her candidacy.

[JVS]

58. You'd better check to see if they donated money to her campaign before clearing her name

[OzarkDem]

68. Who?

Bring it.

[JVS]

73. Did her relatives donate. My understanding is that in GDP a candidate is liable for all donors'...

shortcomings.

[OzarkDem]

67. You can choose your pastor, friends, donors, etc but you can't choose your family

enuf said.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

14. Who wants a can of Billy Beer?

For those too young to remember: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Beer

[grantcart]

16. Didn't Tony meet Obama and attend a party with him?

Obama has more questions he has to answer

[ruggerson]

18. Well that does it

i'm voting for Mike Gravel

[cbayer]

19. Wow, this is huge!!

It's got drugs and sex and violence and political connections. I can't wait for the mini-series. Just hope it's not on ABC because I've put a permanent block on that station.

[Divernan]

20. Shakespeare could do a history/tragedy trilogy about the Clintons

I. Bill's Arkansas State House and White House years, ending w/ her international humiliation
II. The interim "plotting for revenge" decade ending with HRC's election to the Senate -

III. Her presidential campaign, subsequent loss of her Senate seat and bitter old age.

[cbayer]

23. Bill Clinton was the best POTUS since JFK in my lifetime.

Those that attack him and wish to destroy him are not members of my Democratic party. I don't know who you people are or wish to be, but you are not Democrats.

[dchill]

30. I do not attack him - some may point out his foibles...

but it is Bill himself who has the Democratic identity problem. He is a flawed surrogate, IMO.

[cbayer]

39. They have a really interesting relationship.

If you are interested in it, this is a fascinating article:

http://www.slate.com/id/2188751/

It may be right or wrong, but I found it a persuasive explanation of his behavior at this point. Can't be easy being him.

While I have your attention, I would like to tell you something. I have noticed that you have really toned it down and become much more reasonable in your comments. I appreciate that.

[dchill]

49. Thanks - I've read that article, and it's fascinating...

and gives much insight to the Clintons. As to the "toned down and reasonable" - I'm trying, but it's really hard sometimes. As you probably know.

[Divernan]

33. Who am I? For one thing I was a VIP guest at the 1st Clinton Inauguration.

I defended him and his sexual addiction weakness for DECADES! He has changed, in case you haven't noticed. He's pretty much in line with his great friend George Bush, Sr.

[cbayer]

37. Gee, I dont' agree with just about anything you say.

Men in power have historically had as much sex as they could get. That's not sexual addiction. That's just opportunity.

Bill Clinton has some alliance with Bush1. So what? It's generally for causes I support.

Your hit piece is so transparent. You really have no credibility with me.

Hope you enjoyed the inauguration. I doubt you will be invited to another.

[Divernan]

50. Interesting observation about men in power & sex

Having directly worked with politicians for about 10 years, I noted that many had personalities which craved public approval and attention. This often led to affairs with staffers, lobbyists, interns, etc. What comes first, the chicken or the egg?

[cbayer]

54. I also have personal experience with this.

Men, who might not otherwise be desirable, become very desirable when they obtain power or wealth. Some women are drawn to power and make themselves available. Men, generally, cannot resist.

Interestingly, women with power become less desirable. It is a fascinating dichotomy to me.

I greatly appreciate your response.

[OzarkDem]

69. Can't wait to hear the scandals about Obama's mother

and his drug use growing up. Should be interesting :popcorn:

[DerekJ]

21. With due respect to the poster, we all have a black sheep in the familly.

[Zhade]

22. There's nothing wrong with herb. It's saving my vision, per my doctors.

Assault, of course, sucks, but who needs to drag this up? She's already a proven liar.

[Divernan]

26. It's great to use it for medical reasons; that wasn't the case there.

I "drag it up" to point out the human baggage HRC would bring to the White House with her - a husband and two brothers wheeling dealing the power and influence of the presidency for their personal financial gain.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Actually, I think it should be LEGAL, regulated, and taxed. Period. End of Story.

And if Hillary's brother got high and it somehow made him violent, he's the first stoner to experience that effect in, as far as I can tell, the entire history of cannabis.

[McCamy Taylor]

24. Deliberately misleading title. You said he was assaulted. Title suggests he assaulted someone.

Can you fix that? It creates the wrong impression. Dems don't care about pot smoking.

[Divernan]

31. No, I did not say "he was assaulted".

The heading said "involved in". As HRC would say, read the fine print.
And by the by, the article says both men were injured.

So how are ya with him going deadbeat on the child support. Maybe if HRC shook her finger at him and said "Shame on you" he would pay up. Seriously, it's chump change to a multi millionaire like HRC - you'd think she'd have lent him the money to clear up this debt before her campaign.

Political vetting definitely includes checking out close relatives for ongoing legal cases, and counting as she does on feminist support, you'd think she'd have cleared this debt from the books!

[dchill]

32. "Dems don't care about pot smoking."

Not generally, no. Nor do we care about black-sheep relatives who aren't active in a campaign.

[Divernan]

34. He's fund-raising for her.

[dchill]

35. Currently? I guess I got it wrong then. We DO care.

Never mind. :shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

25. BTW is this the best oppo the Obama camp can come up with?

Or is from that collection of Hillary boxes that the RNC keeps?

[Divernan]

28. Just one in a long list - and it's current and close to home

to have a brother who is currently fund-raising for her, who has a history of "giving unauthorized impressions of White House approval to foreign figures, or was seeking financial gain for himself."
(From the Wikepedia cite):
"By now, Tony Rodham had left his position at the Democratic National Committee<10> and described himself as "a consultant ... all kinds of businesses. I'm a general consultant. I just bring different peoples together. I help them negotiate deals. I solve problems for people."<7> In 1997, Rodham tried to arrange meetings between Paraguayan President Juan Carlos Wasmosy and President Clinton,<10> and also powerful Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov and the President.<4> In 1998, he paid a visit to dictatorial Prime Minister Hun Sen of Cambodia.<10> In each of these cases, there was criticism that he was giving an unauthorized impression of White House approval to these foreign figures, or was seeking financial gain for himself.<10><4>"

And I have no doubt that the RNC had this info ready to roll out if she'd have won.

[OzarkDem]

70. Its so 90's

That horse is long dead. Fully investigated, no quid pro quo, no links, no there there.

Come on, can't you guys come up with something better?

[Warren DeMontague]

47. No, this is just lame. This Obama supporter doesn't need "oppo"- I've got Hillary's IWR vote

...for starters.

Bullshit about someone's brother smoking pot or someone's pastor saying mean things about America or someone not wearing a flag pin or someone wearing a turban or someone's funny middle name is just that- IDIOCY. And with the planet overheating, the deficit going through the roof, and US Troops bogged down in a quagmire that Hillary Clinton voted for, I think we as a nation and a species don't have fucking time for this CRAP.

So, yeah, the topic of the OP is dumb and pointless. But it's hardly representative of the "Obama Camp".

At least the Obama campaign isn't being run by sleazy, race-to-the-gutter "kitchen sink" turd-flingers.

[DawgHouse]

79. Really, I'm embarassed for the O camp!

:eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

36. This Obama supporter doesn't care. Tony isn't running, Hilary is.

I'm getting tired of all this guilt-by-association stuff.

[Divernan]

40. Look if she can't control her own brother from exploiting Bill's presidency,

and the brother has a history of such wheeling-dealing, then it's evidently okie-dokie with her. And if she doesn't care enough about her own nephew to "shame" her brother into paying child support, she's stone-cold-hearted. And if she is unable and/or unwilling to convince her own brother to do the right thing by his own son, then how and/or why will she convince the U.S. Congress to do the right thing by the voters/citizens; or other world powers to do the right thing re world peace, environment, economy, etc.

Enter Big Lobbyists, with checkbooks in one hand and pre-written legislation in the other. Cause she will have to start raising money right away for her run for a second term.

There are different degrees of association. In this case it's not just a matter of a crazy aunt in the nursing home -it's a sibling with a proven history of exploiting and misleading significant people (like the Mayor of Moscow, for one) that he can influence the U.S. president.

[SeattleGirl]

46. Listen, one of my brothers used to be

into drugs, etc. My family tried and tried and tried to reach my brother. It was an arrest and jail time that finally got through to him. Yes, we were there for him, but ultimately, it was up to him.

The fact that Tony is still doing this kind of stuff is not a reflection on Hilary Clinton. That's blaming the family for what the individual is doing.

It really isn't a matter of Hilary, or anyone else, "telling" Tony that he has to stop what he's doing. Believe me, it goes much deeper than that. She can offer her help and support, but ultimately, stopping has to be his decision.

I'm no Hilary Clinton fan, but I won't put this on her.

[Divernan]

48. Look, he's actively fund-raising for her - she is exposing other people to him.

I'm sorry for your brother and what your family has gone through on his behalf. Good for them for being there for him. I have a cousin who was pretty messed up for several years, and finally cleaned up his act. I don't think a drug dependency is at all analagous to selling political influence.

[SeattleGirl]

51. Well, then I agree that he probably shouldn't be doing the politics thing

for her, but again, I'm not going to trash her for it.

[Swamp Rat]

38. I see nothing wrong with smoking pot, nor is there a need to trash Tony Rodham.

How is this important in the grand scheme of things?

[Divernan]

42. Since when does telling the truth about Tony Rodham equate with "trashing" him.

Do you have a problem with outing deadbeat parents who don't pay child support?

I could give a flying fuck if anyone smokes pot. However, we heard all these Little House on the Lake family tales from Clinton - in her book, she even talks about her brother still vacationing there - turns out it was not so wholesome after all.

And do you doubt the GOP and MSM would make much of this if she were the GE candidate?

[Swamp Rat]

45. I would rather use my energy to 'out' deadbeat senators and presidents.

If Tony Rodham is behind on his child support, I am sure the Boxers will take care of that problem... a problem that has NOTHING to do with removing the neocons from power.

[juajen]

52. Do you really want to go there?

Have you read about Barack's brothers in Kenya? You are opening the door.

[NoodleyAppendage]

53. Why doesn't Hillary back child support? Why does she endorse assault? n/t

Propaganda borne from "guilt by association" cuts both ways.

Suck on it, Rev. Wright & Ayers-slinging HillBots.

[JeffR]

55. I can't bring myself to believe this is relevant

anymore than Reverend Wright and the ****MAD BOMBER********** Ayers are relevant.

What does any of this have to do with who gets to park their ass in the Oval Office next January and has to start cleaning up the incalculable damage of the Bush era?

[Vinca]

57. This is almost as dumb as connecting Obama to a guy who

committed crimes when Obama was 8 years old. Oh . . . wait . . . the Clinton campaign has done that. Never mind.

Editing to add - Anyone ever read the Wiki entry on Hillary's father, the "lace company" worker? Another exaggeration if the entry is to be believed. He worked there briefly, according to the entry, and ended up owning a textile printing plant. Not the hardscrabble existence she wants Pennsylvanians to believe. I'm shocked I tell ya. Shocked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_E._Rodham

[zulchzulu]

61. FINALLY! I was waiting for people to bring up this issue!!!

NOT!

I guess we could play into the Hillary Playbook and ask Hillary to condemn her brother unless she agrees that smoking the ganja is what young Americans should do if she was President.... I'm kidding...

File under NON-ISSUE.

[Name removed]

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[zabet]

81. "Looks like he and Hilly got the same legs and ankles!"

Does this make you feel better about your own personal dissatisfaction with your own physical appearance? Usually that is the only reason people make fun of other people's physical appearances.
My my my...letting your insecurities show there. That, or you are extremely shallow and vindictive.

[DawgHouse]

82. How odd. Do you always look at people in photos

and judge their likelihood of intercourse?

[OzarkDem]

66. Is that all you got, Obama?

Now that Obama has taken the first step in this battle, its time for Clinton to consider doing the same.

Carry it to him Hillary.

[Hepburn]

71. Oooooooh, whadda threat....

...maybe she can get her bro Huge...er....Hugh to help her carry this out?

[OzarkDem]

72. or Obama can bring his brothers

that should be really interesting.

[eleny]

75. This will loom large if she gets the nomination

There's nothing Dems can say or do to pipe down the calliope that will play on this issue. And if right wingers like Rove can influence the situation regarding the child support, they will.

Hillary had better get Tony to pay up asap or her creds as a feminist will get a skewering. They will ask why she can't better influence her dope smoking, philandering, dead beat dad of a brother. Mark my words.

Republicans will make a big deal about it no matter how her supporters here try to dismiss it. As someone up thread pointed out the issue of Carter's brother Billy. He was shoved into the news of the day so often. 30 years later, the right wing noise machine is all the more powerful.

[crankychatter]

80. I can't abide Clinton and I'm pro-Obama but I have to say...

the sleazy and lurid tenor of this post is offensive and I don't care who you support...

this one is for the trash heap

I'm tired of lookin' at the fucker

it's not so bad in my ignore bin... there are plenty of scandalmongers to chat with AND you can while away the time playing board games, Rove rules; or marking X's on the makeshift wall calendar...