Does anyone else think Maria Shriver is scum?

[saracat]

Arnold is a speaker at the GOP convention and apparently Maria will accompany him. I posted on another thread that I think she should be disowned by the Kennedy family. I also think your public political views are more important than you (gasp!) marriage as politics affect everyone and your marriage is only about you and your spouse. Maria has chosen to sell the Democratic Party and her interest in the country down the drain in support of her so called "husband" I think we should let her know what a traitorous slime she is. She and Zell would deserve one another.Wait. She is a Kennedy. She is worse than he is!

[qazplm]

1. sorry

but your first loyalty is to your spouse.

She is being a good spouse, now if she were actually SPEAKING at the convention or appearing on stage with him now that would be a different story if you are saying that is what is happening. But if she is just going there with him, well, I dont have a problem with that.

[Not Me]

6. I have to agree....

Sad in this case, but true.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

9. Then why isn't Arnie loyal to his spouse?

Or does it only work one way?

[democratreformed]

12. Maybe b/c you aren't aware of any things he may have done for her

in the same vein. Maybe b/c she isn't a high profile politician in need of someone to accompany her to any function. Although they are in the public eye, we do not know every detail of their private lives.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

65. That's not really the point I was trying to make.

I guess that I was too subtle. When I read the whole "Your first loyalty is to your spouse", it just struck me as the whole "stand by your man" kind of thing. I didn't read any measure of equality in the statement. Perhaps I'm wrong. It just irritated me for some reason.

[JerseygirlCT]

61. Maria's not holding an elected office, last I checked...

[democratreformed]

10. I am in agreement as well.

My first loyalty is always with my spouse. He is the one that I will spend the rest of my life with. He is my partner and my other half.

My hope for Maria has always been that she will be able to affect her husband's views in some way. (Maybe even convert him!)

[saracat]

15. If bush is elected

you and your spouse won't have to worry about the rest of your lives.Indications are that most of our lives will be considerably shorter! And Maria is iindicating she doesn't mind as long as Arnold gets what he wants!

[democratreformed]

20. You think so?

I'm sorry but I just can't see it as such a huge thing. I guess it depends on what else she does.

[saracat]

21. Now don't get me wrong.

I don't think Maria can win the election for Bush by going to the convention, but anything that contributes to his reelection campaign by a high profile Dem is despicable. And I do think that Bushco has the potential to end the world as we know it, and anyone who puts spousal loyalty over that is sick! And I think she might be.Who else would stay with an abuser like Arnold?

[democratreformed]

25. So, you view Maria as a high profile Dem?

I really don't. Like I said, I have always hoped that she would have some sway over her husband. Maybe not, though. But, you never can tell.

Of the Dems high on my list, Maria Shriver would not even be a blip. But, I understand what you are saying. There is some publicity b/c of who she is. But, I don't really see her as having any influence politically even with the publicity. I guess that's why it doesn't bother me.

[saracat]

28. Probablly because you are smart.

Most of the voters we need to convice aren't and can be influenced by the spin that would be placed on her appearance.She may not be a powerful politician, but she is a "name" and a Democratic political celebrity.And that means something to the TV watching voter and she knows the RW will use it to their advantage.

[democratreformed]

29. Ugh! Now I see what you are saying.

I will just have to make sure that every person I know hears my opinion and that they understand that her attendance means absolutely nothing.

I will certainly make sure of that!

[Joe Fields]

54. My guess is that it isn't going to matter

who shows up or is invited to speak at the convention. The whole scene will be overshadowed by our protests, which may end up looking a lot like Chicago in 1968.

[readmylips]

33. She's not Caroline Kennedy.....

Maria wanted self grandiose. She always felt that she never got the fame, publicity and admiration the Kennedy kids receive from the American public. Strings were pulled for her, under the name Kennedy name, to be on TV news. Still that was not enough for poor Maria. She felt she hit goal when she married the biggest dude on earth, Ahnold. When Ahnold wants anything, he sends Maria out to speak for him since his English is bad, and knows shit about American government.

Maria has been on several tele-evangelical shows pelleting her book and talking about Ahnold, her husband pig. The tele-cvangelicals are just eating it up.... Maria is now a conservative-neo Nazi GOP'er.

[mitchum]

37. You have nailed it, readmylips!

[saracat]

13. So all people who are out there and married to Republicans

should everything they can to get their spouse elected even though they disagree with what they stand for?Because you are married you must blindly support your spouse? I suppose Mrs Goebbels and Eva Braun are heroines? Appearing at a convention is tantamount to supporting the Party. BTW so much to all the people who said Arnold would not obviously support Bush!

[sabbat hunter]

88. look at

james carville mary matlin. they manage to openly support opposing issues and parties, yet still have a successful marriage.

now granted even though maria shriver is a kennedy, she isnt really politically active like carville and matlin are, but it is proof that you can each have your own viewpoints. it would be one thing to oppose your own husband/wife if they were the one running for office (like if maria supported a democratic candidate against arnold). but it is entirely another if your spouse is on the edge of the campaign, not the one running. so even if arnold speaks at the RNC there would be no reason maria couldnt speak at the DNC if she so chose.

just because she isnt doing anything openly, doenst mean she doenst support kerry. she could be helping out with donations and other support under the radar.


david

[smirkymonkey]

18. I think it's more about integrity than loyalty.

Maybe I wouldn't make a very good spouse, but if the person I was married to expected me to disown my deeply held values and discard my capacity for critical thought, I would conclude that this person doesn't have my best interests at heart. In which case, I would not feel obligated to be loyal and would probably get out of the marriage.

Personally, I don't get the loyal political spouse thing. Probably because I think most politicians are dirtbags and loyalty to one of them, imo, would be an indication of weak character.

I would like to think that I would not get involved with someone who would require me to think or act in such a way that would compromise my integrity.

[goddess40]

62. Your first loyalty is to the truth and decent behavior

Sorry, but a cheating spouse doesn't deserve it because they haven't earned it. Respect and loyalty has to go both ways.

[Nashyra]

2. I think that she should attend

the Democratic Convention and make her husband attend with her.

[spooky3]

5. great idea!

[Not Me]

7. Not a bad idea...

he's as much a dem as a repug.

[whistle]

3. Well it's her choice, but it does remind me a little of....

...."Sleeping With The Enemy".

[Tosca]

4. You mean besides

looking like an Auschwitz survivor?

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[Disturbed]

11. Politics of the Plutocracy

They all belong to the same club and the Middle Class and below aren't invited.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. I don't think about Maria Shriver she means nothing to me

If maria wern't born into the Kennedy family she would probably be selling shoes in the mall. Same goes for any of the "royals".

[LandOLincoln]

16. Congratulations. You have managed, in one short

thread, to set a new record for mean-spirited stupidity, and these days that's really sayin something.

[Tosca]

22. Record smeckord...

I'll tell you what. I'm TIRED of being above board, taking the high moral ground, being NICE when it comes to these Repub fascists. We need to get down and dirty with these pricks with NO apologies.

What did it for me was when some Freeper goon called Paul Wellstone
Paul Tombstone in one their putrified threads...

Before they buried him. Before he was even in the ground. They need to taste their own poison, as far as I'm concerned.

Being polite in this political atmosphere is self defeating.

[saracat]

27. Hooray!

And Thank You. I ,too, am damn sick of Milqtoasts. We need spine! We must fight fire with fire.BTW Clinton says so too in his book.He says he learned early on never to take any of this crap from anyone!

[Tosca]

34. And

thank you!

[saracat]

23. Interesting, instead of defending Maria

You choose to attack me.Mean spirited stupidity? Rightous anger in the face of Zell Miller type traitorism. But then maybe you don't mind Zell either? This is the perfect example of why we splendidly polite , intellectual democrats lose elections. We don;t notice the obvious and fight back.

[LandOLincoln]

38. Zell Miller??? So now Maria's a Senator? How did

I miss that?

And when do you start another thread that reads,

"Does anyone else think James Carville is scum?"



edit for typo

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Does Mary attend the Democratic convention

with James or ANY Democratic functions with him? I don't think she does. I think she does her repuke thing and he does his Dem thing....separately :shrug:

[LandOLincoln]

44. But the difference is, both James and Mary were political

figures in their own right, before they were married.

Maria Shriver is a private citizen who happened to be born into a famous political family. She herself is not a politician, nor even a political consultant--and when she married Arnold 18 years ago he wasn't a politician either.

By condemning her as "scum" and worse simply because she fell in love with and married a man who later became a Republican politician is crass and callow and makes me wonder how many of you are teenaged boys, because that's exactly how you come across.

How long before you all start calling Eunice Kennedy Shriver "scum" and a traitor to her brothers because she hasn't disowned her daughter and her son-in-law?

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Why does that matter?

"But the difference is, both James and Mary were political"

She was still a Democrat or so she says... from the most famous family in our country, who are all Democrats and married a known repub. He may not have been a "politician" when she married him, but he WAS political. He was always running with the repuke crowds....and he always hinted at wanting to be in politics. Maria is married to a man whose political party has ruined our country. Period. Her husband represents a VILE, MEAN, NASTY, CRUEL, EVIL, REPUGNANT and REPULSIVE political party. She supports that if she supports him. She could have just stayed home and not involved herself in the Gropenator's politics. Instead, she chose to support him PUBLICLY which gives US the right to say whatever we like about her. IMCPO.

What she needs to do is change political parties along with Zell Miller. She is no different than he is. IMCPO

[LandOLincoln]

81. You and I both support a man who voted for that

"VILE, MEAN, NASTY, CRUEL, EVIL, REPUGNANT and REPULSIVE" political party more than once. Are you now going to tell me that you sympathize with the fanatics who claim he's a Republican stalking horse?

Can't you see that by despising and condemning Maria Shriver for loving and marrying a man whose political views differ from hers, you're putting yourself squarely in Freeperville? That you're contributing as much as they are to the incredible polarization of this country?

Finally, I'm stunned that you can't see the difference between Maria Shriver--who AFAIK has never been politically active--and James Carville and Mary Matalin, who were both political operatives for their respective parties long before they fell in love and married.

[ronnykmarshall]

72. Thank YOU!

Fuck Maria. I am so sick of her sorry excuse of a democratic ass. She knows god damn good and well what a threat W is to this nation. Yet, she'll just waltz her skinny ass to the Repug covention and smile and wave like a good little wife.

Her sorry ass best not show up at the Democratic convention to try and make nice for the family.

Bite me, Maria and while you're at it bite a boat load of mashed tatters........ girl, you could use a good meal.

[saracat]

41. Now who is being stupid?

Both are traitors to the Party, albeit in different ways.And Mary Matlin doesn't attend Dem events and give tacit approval. Much the opposite.Isn't it interesting that Carville doesn't need his wife at his side pretending to agree with him while gazing adoringly into his eyes but Arnold does.What a man.And I respect Mary more than Maria.Thanks for pointing that out

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[saracat]

49. And you are incorrigible!

and with apparently zero perception of media influence.And , by no choice of her own, Maria was a political figure when she was born, as are all the Kennedy kids.And Arnie was a Repug when she married him.Thankfully, more people agree with me than with your myopic reasoning.It gives me hope for the future when I see that we can express our disgust for the traitors within. We might not be in this situation if more were ousted long ago.The Repugs don't tolerate this and that is why they win.They don't allow their own kind to be used against them.And Maria's country should be more important to her than expressing loyalty to that faithless steroid ridden jackass she has aligned herself with .

[LandOLincoln]

52. If you ever grow up enough to fall in love with someone,

I hope it's with a (moderate) Republican. It might just give you a little heart, something of which you seem to be totally bereft at present.

[saracat]

74. You certainly are a really poor judge of people.

I am married, and Thank God NOT to a Repug.And for the record, my parents were moderate Repugs and I loved them. However, they did not have the ability to influence elections with their appearance and my Dad was voting strictly Dem for years before he died. His father was a Dem State chair and part of Roosevelt's brain trust. I have plenty of heart.In,fact, I am sure I have more than Maria, as I would never put an abusive relationship with a cheating spouse above my duty to my country and my family .I don't need a lecture on heart.

[David__77]

17. It's too bad. I wouldn't be with a Republican personally.

The man I'm with was registered Republican when we first got together four years ago. However, by the time November 2000 rolled around, he voted for Gore. In fact, he knew he wouldn't vote for Bush right away. The first guy he voted for for president was Bob Dole!

There's no way someone could be close to my as a good friend or a partner and not see the inherent truths of my views!

[baroos]

19. Shriver is slime

You are so right. Maria Shriver is a total slimeball. She is a disgrace to the Kennedy name. She even had the audacity to bring her father, Sargent Shriver, who suffering from Altzheimer Disease, on stage for Arnold's victory celebration. This is not just a "stand by your man" thing. Her paw prints are all over Arnold's oppornistic fling into Republican politics.

[saracat]

24. Beautifuly said.

Welcome to DU!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

26. Maria Shriver is a scumball!!!!!

A special place in hell is reserved for her.

[Upfront]

30. I do not!

She will do us more good just being on the inside. Don't underestimate Arnold. I hope we just cut her some slack.

[TheDebbieDee]

31. I think she should eat a sandwich and have a banana split for desert!

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Maria and Oprah

are both on my shitlist. Her husband is a repuke who had a secret meeting with Ken Lay and Cheney. Please, the man is not to be trusted. He is trying to give the state of CA. to the repukes in November! :wtf: WHY would we support Maria? I don't care if she is married to the man, he's a REPUKE! Her and Zell Miller should have a lot to talk about at the convention. :grr: For Oprah...as a favor to Maria, she had the Gropenator on her show and helped to get him elected. I stopped watching Oprah after that...Except when Clinton was on last week. ;) I also read that Oprah is a REPUKE....UGH! So, in answer to your question, yes, she's scum. IMCPO

[kymar57]

55. Puhleeze!!

Oprah helped get gropinator elected? that s##t was decided when ken lay and cheney got together.

on edit; forgot to capitalize(NOT

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. She had a hand in it.

She had him on her show when he was campaigning....she's culpable. The sheeple didn't know about the secret energy meeting with Ken Lay and Cheney. The SHEEPLE are the ones who voted for the jerk.

[robbedvoter]

35. If I were raped, he'd kick me out" she blurted to a rape victim on her

show - a woman trying to come to terms with her ordeal. That tells almost everything about her: dumb, cruel, selfish, inconsiderate, low self-estime POS!

[Tosca]

40. Yeah

Used goods, hunh, Maria? You're more used than you can possibly imagine, being married to the incredible hulk, and all.

[incapsulated]

56. My god, she really said this?

Did she really? She is more sick and far gone than I even thought.

I pity her, really.

[mitchum]

36. Have mercy; she's just a sick, withered whore

[kymar57]

43. Is it just possible she loves the Gropinator?

Come on folks, love is blind and it is not a crime (yet. except in some states and under some circumstances)

[LandOLincoln]

46. Thank you. Nice to see there's at least one other adult

posting on this thread.

[mitchum]

59. And at least one other accomodator also

Maybe the Teutonic douche bag and his helpmate will invite you guys over for cocktails

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[mitchum]

While you're jerking off to your life size picture of Arnold?

[LandOLincoln]

70. For the record, I find Arnold's muscles repellent,

but I thought he was great in Twins. ;-)

[mitchum]

57. And Eva loved Adolf....so fucking what?

Make excuses all you want; she's a second-string Kennedy with no taste.
Fuck her and the Teutonic douchebag she married.

[kymar57]

58. Maybe we could stop with the hitler shit

Its becoming tiresome

[mitchum]

60. Why don't you just fucking ignore it?

There is that option, "my friend"

[kymar57]

64. Why ignore?

A specific post that I disagree with. I responded. no need

[mitchum]

66. As did I

[kymar57]

67. Your point?

[mitchum]

69. Well, I guess my point is:

I suggest that one IGNORE a sentiment that they find objectionable
While you seem to prefer that someone else not EXPRESS a sentiment that one disagrees with.
Now, one of us is censorious. Can you guess who?

[kymar57]

71. On the contrary

I merely offered my opinionn on the post.I felt obliged to throw out my two cents on the lowball comparaison of anything one finds objectionable to hitler

[thebigidea]

79. yes, someone should've told Arnold to stop with the Hitler shit

DUers weren't the ones praising his leadership.

[Myrina]

42. She was Mrs. Schwarzenerger before he was the Gubernator ...

... just because in the last 10 years he's become politically active on the opposite side of the fence from her family, she should leave him ?

I recall an interview with one of Bobby's daughters - the one who was Lt Gov in MD, I think - and she said that their parents instilled in them that public service and being civically active as personal qualities. She never said that the family insisted they choose one party over the other, or that they only married into the Democratic party.

He's an ass, he's a misogynist, and he's a really bad actor - THOSE are real reasons to not support him (humor) ...


edited for spelling lest I be called a Freeper because I don't have spellcheck on my PC :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. He was a Repuke when she married him.

He's been involved in the repuke party for a long time. She knew what she was getting into. He has said he always wanted to be in politics. I'm sure she knew he would run for something...some day.

[Tosca]

48. I still can't believe he's the governor of California...

It's like Ronnie Reagan, ten times dumbed down and on steroids.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. I know and

next up....they will amend the constitution so foreign born citizens can be prez. Guess who's gonna run? Ahhhhhhnold. :puke:

[Tatiana]

51. I dunno... sometimes I think she's in an abusive relationship.

Given Ahnold's past behavior towards women, it stands to reason that he doesn't treat her all that well either.

[Joe Fields]

53. You're being unduly harsh to Maria. Scum? Come on.

Bush is scum. Maria may be accused of being a poor judge of character.

[saracat]

73. How long is it supposed to take

before she realizes Arnold has no character? And being a poor judge of character is a poor excuse for allowing yourself and your family to be used in order to betray your country.She knows the danger of Bush and is willingly abetting him by supporting Arnold and the GOP by her appearance at the convention.

[LandOLincoln]

80. So--you know Arnold and Maria personally, do you?

You know for a fact he has no character, is abusive and cheats on her?

And if Arnold and their children aren't Shriver's family, who is?

And how long before you accuse Eunice Kennedy Shriver of betraying her brothers?

[saracat]

83. As a matter of fact,

I have met Maria. And I know several of her cousins well. My Father went to boarding school and college with her father.They were friends.I went to boarding school with her cousins. I know them better.Sarge can no longer be held to account, and Eunice is not well. They were being used by the Arnie machine. I work and several members of my family work in the entertainment industry.The rumours about Arnie aren't rumours.He even backhanded her across the face when she was pregnant.He is always accusing her of being fat. I am sorry for her but not enough to think she isn't betraying both her family and her Party as well as her country. But I give up. You wouldn't believe a thing I said or anything that is common knowledge anyway.Your definition is of public preception is telescopic, and you clearly wish to inflict your own definiton of marital obligation on others. I happen to believe that a true marriage can only be entered into with equal respect from both partners.There is NO evidence that Arnold is supportive of any Democratic efforts of Maria or that she even has any anymore.We must agree to differ.

[Joe Fields]

84. You are taking this whole Maria Shriver business

way too seriously. She's not a Kennedy.

[mzmolly]

68. No. I don't think James Carville is *scum* because his wife is a R/W

zombie.

I resent the attacks on Maria Shriver personally.

[Bombtrack]

77. I don't think Arnold being her husband is in dispute

So I don't really understand why you would put it in quotation marks. Do you believe that people who disagree about politics should not get married? Maria Shriver is the last person anybody here needs to be worried about.

And on another note, to all the people who can't stop talking about her being a "skeleton", I'd like to see pictures of you, I bet you'd see alot of flabby jealous people.

[bitchkitty]

78. No. Traitorous slime?

That's kind of strong.

Question for you - do you think James Carville is traitorous slime?

[Lefty Pragmatist]

82. LOL.

Possibly the dumbest thread I've seen here.

You can actually be simultaneously a good, supportive spouse who attends events and a political being who has his/her own point of view. The people I see as truly sexist and blind here are the ones who suggest that if you're married to a Republican then the symbolism that your personal support can be used to represent as political support is somehow a reason to not support your spouse.

Get. Over. Yourselves.

A marriage, in the end, is more important than a political stance. Should I disown my son if he becomes a Republican? Hell, why not if he becomes Pro-Life? Or if he supports a tax rate 1% lower than that which I support?

What a joke...

[TexasSissy]

85. Name calling is stooping to the Repubs' level, isn't it? I mean, that's

all they seem able to do these days. I hate to think we're going to be like them.

Criticism, yes. Name calling? Not for me.

[bushwakker]

86. New Yorker article says she attended Kerry funder w/ Theresa

She wants Bush gone.

[bleowheels]

87. Well, I don't really like her. And I think that

she should join Mary-Kate Olsen in an eating disorder treatment center. She, Maria, looks like a skeleton with skin.