Exilednight
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:29 PM
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How Hillary Blew It From The Beginnning. |
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It all started with her Conversations With America. She immediatlly began to isolate the public and insulate herself from being on the same ground with the people. She required the questions to be sent in hours before the video podcast even began. Her answers sounded rehearsed and the platform prevented her from having a true conversation and answering tough questions. During this time Obama was on the ground and sitting at a table with real people and answering questions as they came out living breathing bodies. Robotic and isolated versus Human and approachable.
This was followed with her poor early-debate performances. Being the front-runner, she went straight into defense mode and played it safe. She presented no new ideas or pushed for true progressive change. Obama's performance was not the best either, but with so many people on the stage it was easier for him to get lost in the fray. Edwards and Clinton were considered the two heavy weights while Obama was considered the future. She gave nothing for the party to get excited about. She lacked charisma and creativity in a time the nation wants change.
Hillary's next mistake was lack of ground organization. I think the country, the Democratic party, and Hillary in particular, were surprised by the Iowa results and the ground organization of the Obama campaign and his win in Iowa. This was soon followed by the NH primary which Hillary won handily, but also gave her a false sense of security. Hillary wrote off South Carolina and her and her husbands remarks did nothing to help their image in the African-American community.
The next disaster came on Super Tuesday. Hillary rested on her husband's laurels and believed that, and her front-runner status, were enough to propel her to victory. This was her biggest miscalculation. She declared it would be over on February 5th, but Obama took the lead in pledged delegates in Iowa and never surrendered it. He out performed her in caucuses and Hillary's ground game once again became a subject of her campaign's organization skills.
Hillary's campaign went under the microscope after her Super Tuesday results, and the findings were not encouraging to her winning. Voters began demanding to answers to questions like:
-Why do you have a senior campaign adviser, Mark Penn, who's campaign also represents companies like Blackwater USA and the Republican nominee John McCain?
-Her 35 years of experience argument where she only demanded credit for the things that went right under husband's tenure and President and accepted no responsibility for the failures.
-Her IWR vote that enabled Bush to go to war.
-Her support of NAFTA.
-Her ability go pass comprehensive health care after failing her first time.
-Continually moving the goalposts for victory for her campaign.
-Even the lack of ability for her campaign to organize beyond Super Tuesday and failing to fill a full slate of delegates in the upcoming PA primary which went directly against her ability to be "ready on day one".
The list goes on and on, but for what was suppose to be a disciplined campaign, it was anything but.
Hillary and Bill have given the GOP enough sound bites that they can cut commercials using a Democrats words against one of our own. This is the disaster of the Clinton campaign. Cold, isolated, non-truthful, and unorganized.
We deserve better and should demand better.
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:34 PM
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1. Yes, It's pretty obvious |
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She underestimated things "big" time! They seemed to take it for granted that it was hers no matter who ran against her, and they really didn't need to do thing any other way than to assume they had it tied up, and didn't really have to work at getting the people to vote for her. Big mistake!
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:35 PM
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there were constant references to the Clinton Campaign Machine -- indicating it was a mistake-proof powerhouse. So it's been surprising to witness all the miscalculations its inability to look forward.
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:44 PM
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3. And the Clinton fundraising machine, let's not forget that. n/t |
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:54 PM
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4. Hillary 'blew it from the beginning" by being born a white woman. nt |
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:55 PM
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:56 PM
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6. That's right. It's everybody else's fault. She's not responsible. |
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Oh wait, that's Dear Leader**.
NGU.
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:56 PM
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7. Yah! Everybody knows that black men have everything handed to them.. |
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... After all, he'll be the affirmative action President - don't you think?
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:57 PM
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8. Yes, it had nothing to do with her lack of organization or distancing herself from the people. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 02:00 PM by Exilednight
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:07 PM
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12. Yep. A half-black guy with a last name like "Obama" is a shoo-in. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 02:08 PM by Oregonian
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:18 PM
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20. And having a popular former President as a husband. |
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If there's anything that drags a candidate down, it's that. :eyes:
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Sun Apr-20-08 03:36 PM
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21. yeah, right...and Obama had the good fortune to be born a black male.... |
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Ferrarro's lame racist arguement was really embarrassing to us Earthlings.
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Sun Apr-20-08 09:02 PM
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23. Absolute "victim" bullshit |
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It's like Barry Bonds complaining that people only talked about his steroid use because he was black.
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Sun Apr-20-08 01:59 PM
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9. I agree that it hasn't been an especially well run campaign. |
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But I think something has changed in the electorate as well.
I think Democrats we pretty well ready to get excited about Clinton or Obama and as Obama got better (say post South Carolina), the prospect became more real, and people just got more excited about him.
His campaign is definitely better organized and better run, but I think there's something else, too.
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Exilednight
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:04 PM
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10. I'm not discounting any of Obama's skills, but Hillary hasn't done herself any favors.... |
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either. I watched Obama grow into a great candidate and real leader. He has a pulse on the public and understands the concerns of the average family. Having the charisma of JFK doesn't hurt either.
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Sun Apr-20-08 03:53 PM
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22. Maybe it is a perfect storm.... |
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Obama has an appealing message. He has a very well organized campaign. He has great netroots appeal. He has great money raising ability. He has a calm demeanor which makes him less likely to make more than the usual amount of goofs. And Hillary started with a preumption of inevitability, but also with a high negatives rating. Her campaign was not run very well. She has looked more the policy wonk than the likeable candidate. Her level of being trusted for being truthful is low. And every step of the way, they have goofed up.
Fortunately for her, the media want to prolong her candidacy as long as possible. Any other candidate with her level of performance would have been dismissed long ago, but she keeps on getting second chances, Mulligans, and the goal posts are on wheels.
But Obama HAS tapped into a positive among voters. Something her campaign has been hard pressed to overcome. All she can do is go super negative. And that has not worked so well.
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Mon Apr-21-08 03:36 AM
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I don't think it's the media that has prolonged her candidacy. Ignoring that many people really do prefer her is rather insulting to those who think she speaks for them.
Maybe you don't mind insulting several million democrats, but I think that we benefit from trying to understand what happened or is happening rather than choosing an easy scapegoat.
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:06 PM
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11. I didn't realize she had |
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"Conversations With America"..those must have been riveting knowing what now know about hilary's nonexistent capabilities.
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:09 PM
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14. They were video podcasts where she would answer questions that were sent.......... |
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to her 24 hours in advance so she could pick and choose which ones she wanted to answer. Here's a link to one. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/6.aspxIt was more like "conversations at, not with, America".
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:08 PM
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13. Obama's campaign has been brilliant. |
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A textbook model of grassroots organizing.
He had organizers on the ground in every state months before the primaries or caucuses. They were prepared for the long haul.
Clinton on the other hand, surrounded herself with the some old DLC losers who've managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for years.
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:11 PM
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15. The DLC has won a grand total of one election and cost us both houses of Congress........ |
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We didn't get control back until Dean took command of the DNC and put the 50 state strategy in place. I pray that the DNC keeps the 50 state strategy after Dean's tenure as Chairman is over.
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:13 PM
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16. One thing that made me (and probably many others) more strongly anti-Hillary early on |
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Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 02:14 PM by Oregonian
than we would have been otherwise was the utmost arrogance of her campaign and her supporters last year. Here on DU back then if you expressed any support for a candidate other than Hillary, some of these supporters would tell you to give it up, that she has it in the bag, she'll be the nominee and then "we'll say we told you so." It was so infuriating. I recall that for awhile I believed them. I was depressed and despondent thinking that this substandard candidate would be our nominee in a year when we needed true change, not just a continuation of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. I thought that Hillary had the political machine behind her and that the sheeple would just automatically follow what the media said, that she was to be given the nomination. Boy, I've never been so happy to have been wrong.
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:16 PM
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18. Here's to being wrong....... |
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Sun Apr-20-08 02:15 PM
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17. Don't forget the theme song contest! |
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And even her recent appearance on Colbert seemed forced and mechanical, especially in such close proximity to Edwards and Obama who were clearly enjoying themselves.
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