George W. Bush switches parties and becomes a Democrat

[mudesi]

Would you vote for him?

A conservative in the Democratic party is still a conservative. I know I wouldn't vote for George W. Bush if he was a Democrat, but making and repeating such a statement would get me tombstoned from DU if he had a "D" next to his name.

Joe Lieberman. Zell Miller. Hillary Clinton.

These are examples of conservatives that are or were in the Democratic party. There are, of course, several (dozens) more examples.

Liberals need to take control of the Democratic party. The conservatives, at the very most, need to be in the minority and not anywhere near the leadership positions. (Of course, I'd prefer if they'd all get lost, but I'm willing to be reasonable). If they don't like it, they can join the conservative party, also known as Republicans. If you argue that these people are "moderate", well then let them be Republicans. Republicans could use some moderation, last I checked.

Time to bring the Democratic party to the left of the political spectrum. What's the point of having two right wing parties? I would start, at first, with removing anyone and everyone associated with the DLC. From there, the sky's the limit.

This means ensuring that Hillary Clinton retires from politics altogether. I'd suggest having a liberal take her senate seat, for one thing. The Democratic party needs to progress to a point where any self respecting Democrat would never stand for a candidate who says this:

"Moveon.org endorsed Sen. Barack Obama -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

I've decided that today I'm going to dissect her words.

"Moveon.org endorsed Sen. Barack Obama -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down,"

Sounds like Ms. Clinton has a problem with grassroots fundraising. Does she have a problem with people funding a campaign instead of corporations?

"We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party"

What exactly is wrong with bringing out the activist base of the Democratic party? I thought she was a Democrat! You'd think she would welcome such a thing. Of course, she has no interest in the views of the base of the Democratic party.

MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them.

The first sentence is an absolute lie. But that's not surprising, coming from Hillary Clinton. As for the rest of it, maybe she'd do better to adopt the liberal base's view on positions such as foreign policy and national security instead of siding with the conservatives.

I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them.

And there, my friends, is the problem with having people like Hillary Clinton in the Democratic party. They fundamentally don't like the idea of diplomacy instead of war, and of treating terrorism as a matter of law enforcement. That's why she and several others allowed George W. Bush to go to war, where over 4000 troops have been killed, tens of thousands more have lost limbs, and millions of innocent civilians have died.

So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

What a nice way to end it. A lie as well as an insult against the very people she is supposed to be representing.

Well it's over, Hillary Clinton. Democrats are sick of having right wingers representing them. We support values such as universal health care, peace, fair taxation, investment in social services, education, and the environment. We support rational gun control, an abolishment of capital punishment, the separation of church and state. We demand an end to the military industrial complex, which means we don't support scare tactics and phony "3 AM" ads and "massive retaliation" against nations.

I urge all Pennsylvanians to send a message to Hillary Clinton and the rest of her kind this coming Tuesday. It is about time that the entire Democratic party had a massive colonic.

[YDogg]

1. i would not vote for him.

[Raven]

2. I think he might become a Catholic first. :-)

[baldguy]

3. I can see him calling Popey at 3am asking for absolution after a drinking binge.

[TahitiNut]

4. Being an independent liberal means never having to say "I'm sorry."

They can slap party labels on their butts and flag pins on their lapels all they want. Unless they represent my values, they don't earn my vote. Simple as that. Until there's an "Against" column on the ballot, that's the way it is.

[DrDan]

5. last year - 2007 - Hillary was the 16th most liberal senator

get your facts straight.

"In their yearlong race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Obama and Clinton have had strikingly similar voting records. Of the 267 measures on which both senators cast votes in 2007, the two differed on only 10. "The policy differences between Clinton and Obama are so slight they are almost nonexistent to the average voter," said Richard Lau, a Rutgers University political scientist."

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

[newmajority]

12. Nice right wing source there.

Also funny how they rank Obama as being more "liberal" than Bernie Sanders.

Don't I wish.

There's also no mention at all of what this right wing piece of toilet paper used for their "liberal" criteria. Thom Hartmann did mention the "standards" that the National Journal actually used, and while I don't remember the specifics (this was several months ago) the overall picture was that these were COMMON FUCKING SENSE positions held by Obama and others who ranked high on their list, as opposed to actual Liberal positions. (i.e. diplomacy rather than bombing the shit out of some country on the opposite side of the planet).

Had it been based on actual Liberal criteria, Bernie Sanders would have been ranked #1, and Hillary probably would have been lucky to make the top half of the list.

[DrDan]

15. how about this one

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2008/02/political_scientists_say_obama_might_be_more_liberal_than_hillary/

Obama 9th most liberal and Hillary 11th

". . . Hillary probably would have been lucky to make the top half of the list."

How about a source rather than speculation.

[DrDan]

17. Here ya go - NARAL and Planned Parenthood

gave both Obama and Hillary a 100% rating

[QC]

13. Yes, but she had the unmitigated gall to run against Prince Barack!

She must be punished!

[Petey Wheatie]

6. "Well it's over, Hillary Clinton." LOL! See ya in PA, Lynard! P.S. Black Betty = greatest song ever

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. I've always been a DINO and consider Party Loyalty insulting.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." --John Quincy Adams

[stray cat]

8. Is this a request for those of us who are not liberal enough to vote Republican?

[monmouth]

9. Oh lynyrd, you have outdone yourself on this wonderful post. Kudos, K&R...n/r

[Lochloosa]

10. K/R Great Post!

[Why Syzygy]

11. Fear and Smear.

She gave this tirade to her money people. She's making excuses and trying to scare them into giving her more money.
Weak.

You're right. I want a liberal party!

[Dr.Phool]

14. Larry Miller, Curley Lieberman, and Moe Clinton.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MindMatter]

16. Hey, don't come in here with that if you dn't have pictures to back it up.

Please, I need to see that picture.

[CalGator]

19. rofl. nt

[bhikkhu]

18. Good run down of the text

Thanks. It sounds even worse on the third or fourth read.

I have to say that I vote for people, not parties. It so happens that I have not come across a worthwhile repug in my lifetime, while I have liked the person and the platforms of all the dems...kind of odd, really. There are many things I don't like about Hillary's platform, but she hasn't been a realistically viable candidate since 2/5, so I haven't gotten into it much.