I renounce and denounce and apologize for using a term that I have been informed is homophobic

[FrenchieCat]

I, FrenchieCat, renounce and denounce a term that I used in the below OP, which I have been informed is to be considered offensive to the Gay community. I will, therefore, no longer use the term "Pink TuTu" to describe Democrats who appease Republicans, i.e., vote for agression against countries who have not attacked us, vote for Bankruptcy Bills that are against the interest of the debtors, or vote for Patriot Acts that take away our civil liberties. In fact, I will no longer use the term at all, as it is not a term required in my book of vocabulary.

I am sorry if I offended anyone.

I will not argue that my definition of the "Pink tutu" reference should not be offensive to the Gay community, as it appears that any explanation that I might offer does not alleviate the pain and humiliation that I may have caused.

And so, I have reprinted my original op below without any reference to my original ill chosen wording, and hope that some will have the good grace to forgive me for my mistake in using such a term. I will note that as I read my OP below without reference to the objectionable reference, the OP's meaning in no way has changed.

I realize that some will not accept my apology and for them, there is not much that I can do to ease their hurt, as I cannot take back what I have already done.

To those who will graciously accept my apology, I thank you for your understanding and your reservoir of goodness.

Sincerely,
FrenchieCat

PARANOID DLC Democrats FRET over Obama's Liabilities while IGNORING his ASSETS

There are various factions within the Democratic Party; allegedly the party of the big tent. However, the more I listen to the various voices out there, it is clear, there are two distinct groups of Democrats vying for a chance to compete in the General Election.

There are the Scared-to-death-"What will the Republicans say?" Democrats
and then there are the energetic "America-is-on-the-wrong-track-and-they-want-real-Change" Democrats.

The Scared-to-death-"What will the Republicans say?" Democrats are the ones represented by the elected Democrats who voted for war in 2002 because they were too scared not to. These are the same Democrats who signed our rights away via the Patriot Act of 2001. The same Democrats who don't mind sounding like Republicans in order for Republicans to like them, even though those Republicans will never vote for them. The same Democrats who voted to aggressively put Iran on notice, just because they could. The same Democrats who go on Television and are always on the Defense constantly announcing their worries about what Republicans will do, instead of going on Television to challenge forcefully the know-nothing pundit elite class, and setting them straight that it is Democrats who are the party of ideas. They do not push so much the notion that it is Democrats who are the Party that can best keep us safe through rational and measured strategy; not fear.

These are the same folks who worry about every single aspect of what will the Republicans say about our candidate; day in and day out. The Republicans will trash our Democratic candidate, they say. Those mean Republicans will make our candidate look weak and liberal, they argue. Those cruel Republicans will take our candidate apart (only if it is Obama, apparently) and win in a landslide. And then, these Paranoid DLC Democrats try to figure out why our party is labeled as the party of wimps, whiners, and weak apologetic asses.

The problem that I have with these scared ass Democrats is that they never take into their simplistic fretful "the sky is falling" electoral calculation what a candidate like Obama has going for him, on the asset side of things.

These Democrats are Hillary Supporters for the most part. They believe that she is a safe choice, for whatever their reasons, which IMO doesn't add up. What is paramount to them is safety of insuring the end result of the GE. These are Democrats who don't understand that nothing ventured normally means nothing gained. These are the Democrats who don't remember that in our history, safe bets rarely pay off.

As an Accountant who doesn't "gamble", I can tell you that Assets minus Liabilities equals Net Worth or Net Value or Net Equity. The Net Value of our candidate is what Democrats need to assess, not simply liabilities in a vacuum. In focusing solely on our candidates liabilities, we would be making an incorrect formulation as to what it will take to win the General Election. Personally, I believe that computing the net worth of each candidate in terms of making a fair assessment calculation prior to going about with both hands on one's face fretting is key.

I will make the presumption that the smart Superdelegates are each checking their own balance sheet of each candidate as well, and in particular looking at the bottomline.

Here are Senator Obama's assets as a candidate:
They are many, and if I left any out, please add to the list.

A candidate who is an inspirational Speaker who can compel even those disagreeing with his policies to listen to what he has to say.

A candidate who includes all American in his vision for a 21st Century America.

A candidate who stirs young people into involving themselves in the political process like no other who has come before him.

A candidate with the ability to raise more money than any other primary candidate in our history without assistance from corporate powers.

A candidate who has the proven skills of doing what has not been deemed possible before; organizing his way to the top.

A candidate who was smart and insightful enough to have opposed the Iraq War in 2002; a war that a majority of Americans are against.

A candidate who ask that we vote our hopes and not our fears.

A candidate who can get the vote out like no one's business and excite many (watch for a large increase of African-Americans becoming grassroots activists)

A candidate who will select a Vice-President that will render many of his currently "questionable liabilities" into additional assets.

A candidate who has had a consistent message throughout his career on government transparency (something many Americans want).

A candidate who will force the opposition to look old and dull and out of touch.

A candidate who makes McCain look like the establishment instead of a Maverick.

A candidate who represents more than himself, but represents history in the making.

A candidate who can change the perception of what America is about for the better, unlike McCain, who the world will see simply as more of the same, but with more intense "warmongering" capabilities.

A candidate who will represent vigor and youth and the future when contrasted to McCain.

A candidate who is as if not more likable and personable than the opposition candidate.

A candidate who is one of the most charismatic Democratic candidate since Bill Clinton.

A candidate who has routinely been compared to the likes of Lincoln, both Kennedys, and MLK, all icons in our American history.

A candidate with coattails for all of the reasons above.

There are other assets that candidate Obama has. I've only listed a few cause I got tired.

When these assets are netted to his possible liabilities (that I won't list, cause so many do only that), please know that Barack Obama's net Value is through the roof.


Sorry Hillary and McCain supporters, but that's just the way it is!

[AtomicKitten]

1. Better carbon copy this "reject and denounce" to Bartcop.

No doubt he will be quite surprised to hear it's a homophobic slur.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Well, since I don't need the phrase to make my point clearer,

there is no reason for me to use it if there are folks who do believe that it is offensive.

If there was a term that I objected to because I am a woman, mother, Black person, French, a former dancer, a Democrat, or whatever else that I am, I wuold prefer that the person using it would acknowledge my sense of hurt and apologize.

There are a few things that I have objected to on this forum, and I have yet to receive any apologies....but I am better than that, and so I shall set the example for myself.

I sometimes tend to want to offend specific folks, but never an entire community of people who cannot help who they are, and whose shoes I have not walked in. That would be presumptious of me to believe that they should not be offended. If folks say they are, I take them at their word.

And so to those folks, I really hope that you will at least accept my apology.

[FrenchieCat]

21. Is there any one who was offended as they vocally stated on that other thread

who has the forgiveness in their heart to accept my apology?

Should I post my apology in the LGBT DU forum as well? :shrug:

[dsc]

30. I know this will shock you

but some of us have lives. I read and accept your apology but I did just read it.

[4themind]

25. I think it's for the best

you spent a lot of time preparing those remarks, and so I'd bet you'd rather spend time defending that, then a choice of words that others disagree with, so good call to remove it

[Q3JR4]

26. As a gay,

non-white, non-xian member of the loonie left, I respect you for taking the time to apologize and for trying to make amends.

Even though, as has been said in this post, I don't see what the big deal was and probably wouldn't have objected to the use of the term.

Q3JR4.
"If a person offends you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measures; simply watch your chance and hit him with a brick." - Mark Twain

[Withywindle]

83. You're a class act, FrenchieCat. Thank you.

Really, the reason it's both homophobic and misogynist comes from the associations of the two: that the worst thing a man can be is a "sissy", i.e., in some ways like a woman. (wearing a traditionally female garment, the pink tutu)

Well, as you know, women are not weak, and "sissy" men have always been some of the very bravest fighters for the LGBT community. (Who fought in the Stonewall uprising? Drag queens. Faced down the cops as bravely as any "masculine" class warrior has ever done.)

But the main reason insecure testosterone-poisoning-victims hate gay men so much is their twisted idea of men accepting the "inferior" "female" role (i.e., being penetrated - ask Bill Richardson why 'maricon' is such a slur...oh, never mind, he pretended he didn't know how bad it was!)

Anyway, we also all know ballet dancers of all genders are very tough and disciplined athletes and the wispiest of them could kick the ass of any member of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists, Mom's Basement Division (regardless of R or D leanings).

[hfojvt]

6. Who do you call when policemen break the law?

You can't call the cops, but I think that's explained in the other thread which I did not read.

[babylonsister]

2. Sigh. The things we learn... nt

[TomInTib]

4. I would like to think that you are being facetious.

However, I am afraid that you are not.

I will be motherfucked if I will allow some thin-skinned interest group to determine which words or phrases that are kosher for me to use (or not).


Build a fence around it.

Reinforce the roof.

Go crouch in a corner, pray that you do not unknowingly utter something that just might upset the overly-sensitive.


No thanks.

[wain]

9. I second that

Please say this is tongue in cheek. If, not, stay out of the sunlight.

[Schema Thing]

20. Progressiveness is not for wimps. (that's the conservative's calling card)

And "pink tu-tu" is best associated with ballerinas, who happen to have a class of dancer known as "prima". No mystery as to how "pink tu-tu got to be associated with people who fit the colloquial description of a prima donna.

[TahitiNut]

74. C'mon, Tom. Everyone should know that Democrats wear BLUE Tutus.

Pink ... is just WRONG.

:hide:

[Kurovski]

81. Black danskins are for latte drinking at the Barista,

[TahitiNut]

84. I prefer 2mm neoprene myself. (Blue and yellow.)

:silly:

[Kurovski]

85. Trendsetter.

Have I told you that you're my favorite elitist? :bounce:

[saracat]

5. Perhaps your definition would apply to Obama vote against the people and for corporations

when he voted against the peoples right to sue corporations?

[cali]

8. Yeah, and HIllary voted for a bad bankruptcy bill

They've both made questionable votes. Hillary voted for the IWR, K/L and to keep using cluster bombs in civilian areas. But you're quite comfy with that. You didn't used to be, back when you swore that no way would you vote for her and attacked her daily.

[saracat]

11. That was when we had choices. Now, not so much. I pick the best of the lot.

And I have learned a lot about both remaining candidates since then. There is a lot I don't like about Hillary but even more I don't like about Barack.

[sniffa]

14. It's his evilness, isn't it?

[saracat]

18. You know, it really is! LOL!

;)

[FrenchieCat]

10. I am talking about folks who do not take into consideration

Obama's positive qualities that he brings to the contest in the GE...but attempt to highlight only the negative. That's what this OP is about.

I realize that you are highlighting one vote, and I am already on record with disagreeing with the tort reform vote (although I haven't dwelled into the specifics of it, but on its face, I disagree with OBama's vote on this one)-

My chosen candidate is not perfection, and I or he have never claimed such.

However, my candidate is head over heels a great deal better than your candidate in my view.

But my op within the op was not about that.

[4themind]

27. agreed.

While I also disagreed with his vote, his positions on the amendments, gave me some positive insight into his beliefs on certain parts of that bill, if not their relative value. Hillary's 2001 bankruptcy bill vote stuck out just as much in my mind and additionally, her awol ,but verbal repudiation of the subsequent bankruptcy bill, that went into law doesn't match up as well as obama's no vote, especially given her earlier vote in support of the 2001 nill (yes I do realize her reason for missing that vote, but she still didn't have to go on the record)

[merh]

40. Oh my, that is not what the bill provides

good dramatic interpretation but your form is off.

[IsItJustMe]

7. You are a true soldier FrenchieCat, and although there are times when you can be a little rough

around the edges, my hat is off to you. If I ever needed backup, I would call on you.

[cliffordu]

12. FrenchieCat -

In the world of extreme long distance mountain bike racing, pink bike parts and pink racing jerseys are part of the "uniforms" of the best in the world. These are aggressive "A" personality extreme athletes playing to the absurdity of a color defining what you are.

They originally used pink to draw ridicule by newer riders, who they would then ride into the ground.

One of the hardest men in the sport is Rich Dillen, a national champion 24 hour racer who races under the name "Team Dickie" who rides the last lap at dawn in a pink tutu.

He rides a single speed bicycle and regularly laps 90 percent of the field who are riding geared bikes.

He'd get a kick out of your pink tutu remark.


Sometimes rule by the most sensitive really irks me. Sometimes it is non-inclusive as Republican right wingers.

(Note to self: put fireproof BVD's on)
:patriot:

[PM7nj]

13. I am gay and I didn't find it offensive.

Of course, I have been told I am a "self hating gay."

[and-justice-for-all]

16. I did not find it offensive either...

and I am no a self hating gay.

[SoCalDem]

49. I never took it as a gay term.. just a grown up person..male or female

who chose to act like a little 5yr old girl at ballet class..scared to make a mistake..

[Why Syzygy]

58. I always thought it referred to

politicians who make a big show and are out of their element. It never occurred to me to link it to being gay.
We happen to have a gay legislator who is anything but "pink tutu".

[Kurovski]

82. Same here.

I'm a cocksucker, and I've never worn a tu-tu.

[Duder]

15. Somewhere there's probably an offended ballerina... n/t

[cliffordu]

17. LOL Yep.

[melody]

19. Don't beat yourself up too much, FC

I made a reference to a children's book and was accused of being racist. lol

Some people are just far too keyed up by this race ... pardon me, election.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Where have the offended people gone?

They could at least face me and tell me that they don't forgive me, if they don't.

Geeze.

[DerekJ]

23. FrenchieCat, It’s all manufactured outrage/emotions. Just ignore’em

[Divine Discontent]

53. what would you say to them if they did say that? that's the question :) eom

[dsc]

61. I accepted your apology over 20 hours ago

and about an hour after I got home last night with not a word from you. Am I ever going to get an acknowledgement?

[dsc]

88. It has now been 32 hours

am I ever going to get a response?

[Melinda]

24. Damn girl, now you've made me cry again.

Nothing says grace like a heartfelt, sincere apology for hurting anyone's feelings, be they real or feigned, and I mean this with all my heart.

You are a class act, ma'am - thank you for this... and please pass the tissues. :hug:

[Cha]

28. That's very gracious of you to "apologize", Frenchie..

My pov is to put the poster on Ignore 'cause of I was tired of seeing the whiney ass, egocentric paranoia.

[dsc]

31. I am so sorry you are ignoring me

you are so classy and wonderful that it hurts me to death you don't read my posts. No wait, that isn't true.

[peoli]

29. I accept ....

[Cha]

32. Brawawawawawawawawaaaa

:D

[SoCalDem]

50. so does this guy

[dsc]

33. I accept this in the spirit it was offered

BTW I was out when you posted this and have been home less than one hour which is why you didn't get a response sooner. I know we aren't supposed to have lives but sorry.

[Arkansas Granny]

34. FrenchieCat, I admire you for making such an apology, but for the

life of me, I had no idea that anyone would find that term offensive. You learn something new every day. My grandmother had a saying: Some people live and learn, some people only live.

[yardwork]

35. Thank you.

I just signed on to DU for the first time in a couple of days, so if I'm late thanking you and accepting your apology, I apologize.

I appreciate your apology and assurance that you won't use it or other homophobic terms again. I'm a lesbian who supports Obama. We should be on the same side. There's no need to use divisive language to support a candidate.

[madfloridian]

36. Bartcop never apologized to anyone for that picture.

Sorry you had to do so. I don't think anyone here thought that.

[dsc]

37. and that is why I don't read Bartcop

I liked much of what he said, but that, and other sexist and homophobic arguments from him turned me off.

[madfloridian]

38. You know what?

I am about as far as anyone can get from a bigot or homophobe, but DU has defined me as one....along with Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Leah Daughtry, et al.

Something is wrong with that picture.

[PM7nj]

39. Me too

I have been called a homophobe because I support Obama. Once I told those people I am gay, I became a "Self-hating gay."

[madfloridian]

41. I questioned...

why some were going after Howard Dean, Donna Brazile and Leah Daughtry and calling them homophobes and bigots....and I got called one myself and viciously attacked.

[dsc]

43. BTW I would like a link to that

[PM7nj]

47. No link. It has happened in the real world.

[donheld]

51. I too was called a self hating gay for supporting Obama

If you really want the link say the word and i'll try to hunt it down.

[dsc]

62. yes I would

[madfloridian]

64. Tolerance and understanding is a two way street.

[dsc]

65. I have yet to see what they are alledging

I would like a link.

[TLM]

54. Anything outside the narrow view of how things must be is rejected

I'm probably one of the most open and accepting guys you'll meet... I really genuinely don't care what someone does sexually.

But I don't tip toe around people's issues and drama, because I think this idea that you're somehow supposed to never be offended is the height of arrogance and self-centered bullshit.

[dsc]

42. Brazile and Daughtry are homophobes

sorry but if you go around saying that gays beserch civil rights by demanding them (as Brazile did) and go around saying gays are unfit fof marriage due to your religion as Daughtry did then you are a homophobe. I won't comment on you and will say I don't think Dean is.

[madfloridian]

44. You just made a mistake calling them that.

That is sad and tragic.

I don't give a damn what you call me. I know who I am, and I know my beliefs and standards.

You are really going too far.

[dsc]

45. If the shoe fits

sorry but if I went around saying blacks didn't deserve rights I would be called a racist. I fail to see any difference between my saying that and them saying what they are saying.

[madfloridian]

46. Trying to destroy the reputation of two good democratic women....

should not be allowed at DU. But it is. I read all that stuff, and I did research on both sides.

There were almost 300 posts attacking me violently here when I questioned airing the depositions publicly. It was vicious.

[Solon]

55. That's because of the way you tried to defend the DNC...

Can't you say that these two women are wrong on equal rights and are homophobic because of their positions on the issue? Just because they happen to have a (D) after their name doesn't make them magically accepting of GLBT folks, nor do they support equal rights. Their reputations are something they are responsible for, all we can do is make observations based on their words and actions, and according to those, both women ARE homophobes. This isn't disparagement, just an observation based on their words.

In addition, no one can be both good and be against equal rights, that's stupid. One last thing, you are on the wrong board(and party) if you think that NO criticism of Democrats should be allowed, leave the lockstepping to the Republicans, they are the ones who mastered it.

[madfloridian]

59. No, it is because I questioned the public aspects of the attacks on the DNC

and its leaders.

I was treated with viciousness that scared me. It was a numbing feeling.

I have not gotten over it. Hubby and I proudly supported an openly gay candidate in many ways. Of course the more conservative Dems in our area took care of that excellent intelligent candidate and put in one that was anti-gay and anti women having birth control. Yes, he ran as a Democrat.

We worked to keep the Southern Baptists, Catholics, and the FL Legislature from passing extreme antigay legislature, even protesting in front of Baptist churches.

Trust me, all I got here was called a homophobe, and I was treated in that thread as ignorant and stupid and evil.

Just because I questioned.

No, Donna Brazile and Leah Daughtry are not homophobic. They are realistic about the situation in the black community right now. I could go more into what goes on here, but I won't. I am white, but one of our DNC committee members is a minister in that community. So we know what is often preached there.

SO, go ahead...consider me one. Hubby and I just won't put out efforts anymore like we did. Ain't worth it, trust me.

[Solon]

60. Actually, at first, it was because you said the gay community was attacking the DNC...

whether a typo or subconscious thought, it was a generalization that was wrong in the first place. At least you corrected that on the edit, then again, the edit didn't help much.

The fact is the DNC is fucking up, and fucking up bad, and it deserves as much heat as it gets, bigotry should be stamped out, no matter where it crops up, even within such "allies" as the Democratic Party. You are upset that this was made public, even though the records themselves weren't court sealed. I don't understand that, is the appearance of being accepting of GLBT folks more important than actually accepting them? Donna Brazile opposes adding GLBT delegates to the affirmative action program within the Party, it doesn't really matter why she opposes it, the fact is such a position is bigoted. As far as Leah Daughtry, well she said that marriage is ONLY between one man and one woman, that's homophobia, hell, its classic homophobia. If I were to say that marriage is only defined as between one man and one woman of the same race, I would be slammed for racism, why is it different for Leah Daughtry?

The fact of the matter is that you are putting partisanship over decency, human rights, and respect of minorities. I don't sympathize with people who are so weak in their support of civil rights that they would throw it under the rug just to make sure their party wins elections. To be honest, you disgust me, you are so much of a party loyalist you place The Party above people who are marginalized.

[madfloridian]

63. I am not gay, so I don't know all the politically correct words to use.

So I am unworthy.

After that thread in which I asked a very sincere and honest question, I learned that there is no middle ground on this issue.

I am now a bigot and a homophobe to the people here at DU who say they are gay. Now, if I effing said that wrong... forgive me.

Donna B. and Leah D. have a right to their views.

I am honestly quite scared of the way I was attacked in that thread. It gave me a new outlook.

Since when is it a negative thing to be called a "party loyalist"? You call me that with contempt.

Well, don't worry....I don't like you very much either right now.

Intolerance works both ways, my friend.

[Solon]

66. I'm not gay either, but the fact of the matter is that you were extraordinarly insensitive...

to GLBT folks who have many legitimate beefs with the DNC. There shouldn't be a "middle ground" to civil rights, fair representation, or just plain respect for GLBT people. If the Democratic party is interested in being the party of equal rights, they should act like it. Why is that so hard to understand?

[madfloridian]

67. Whatever. I won't bother anymore.

I had hubby read that post, and he is reading this thread.

I give up. I am not worthy. I won't bother to be understanding anymore.

If two people I respect in the party are going to be called bigots and homophobes..one leading the voters rights and one in charge of the convention...then include me as bigot.

That was a disgusting attack on me in that thread.

I really won't bother anymore.

[madfloridian]

68. One more thing: They deposed Howard Dean for two days...

6 hours at a time. They grilled him not just about Hitchcock's firing but his whole political history. I read the transcript. They did not need to ask two days worth.

To his credit he answered and gave up two days of his life for that.

Two days so many who are gay...(notice I am effing careful not to use the word community.)....could rip him apart, and rip the DNC apart.

The whole episode was shameful. You can effing quote me.

I have no understanding anymore. Call me whatever you wish.

[dsc]

73. they have every right to their views what they don't have is a right to jobs

financed by gay contributions.

[madfloridian]

76. Then call on them to be fired. Oh, BTW, do you still give pharmacists more right than women?

Just wondering. You once believed that they had a right to refuse birth control.

[dsc]

87. sorry but you are out and out lying

I said, repeatedly, that people WHO OWN PHARMACIES, NOT MERE PHARMACISTS, have the right to stock what they wish. And yes, I stand behind that. Stop lying about what I said.

[madfloridian]

91. Then add "liar" to homophobe and bigot. Why not?

[dsc]

93. There is no other word for what you did

We have discussed this issue endlessly and my opinion is the same now as it was throughout our discussion and you totally misrepresented it. That isn't my fault and I won't be guilted into thinking it is.

[madfloridian]

69. You just implied I did not belong at DU or in the Democratic party.

You said I am not for equal rights...a lie.

You are being intolerant of me because I see two sides. I see the sides of the two ladies being called homophobes.

Way to go.

[Solon]

70. Actually I said that lockstepping is something the Republicans mastered....

This mindless support for these two ladies who, to put it bluntly, are acting like bigots, is sad. I also never said whether you were for or against equal rights, so I can't lie about something I did not say, I'm simply puzzled as to why you defend these two women who are AGAINST equal rights if you are for those rights yourself. I see two sides too, on one side are those who are for equal rights, respect, and dignity for GLBT people, and on the other are those who disparage GLBT people and deny them rights for who they are. Whose side are you on?

[madfloridian]

72. If pushed to take one side....it would be with those two women.

Because I think they are being taken out of context and what they said and did misconstrued.

I saw something that night I questioned the public humiliation of Dean, Donna B. and Daughtry. I saw pure hatred and scorn in that thread. It was scary.

I have not gotten over it, and I doubt I will.

It scared me.

So, you win. Call me whatever, the damage is done. I don't scare easy and I am most openminded. Usually.

[Solon]

75. I didn't call you anything...

As I said, I was puzzled, you seemed to be more concerned with appearances, and not the discrimination that is occurring within the DNC. That is what is disturbing. People hate actions that lead to inequality, and this is an example of that. I don't see why you should be scared, being a responsible member of the party yourself, you should be one of its loudest critics, not one of its most ardent defenders. Some actions are reprehensible, regardless of who does it, don't worry about the damage, fix the problem first.

[madfloridian]

77. I don't see it as discrimation. I see it as misunderstanding and refusing to understand.

I am so effing hated here by gays, that I might as well say it. I think tolerance works both ways.

Did you read the transcripts? Bet we don't do any more rallies, not that anyone cared.

[Solon]

79. I doubt they hate you, the problem is you got so defensive, so quickly...

that negativity, on both sides, from both yourself and others, propagated in that thread.

The biggest problem is this, you are an outsider, to make an analogy, it would be like a white person complaining about affirmative action as being unfair, and yet having no life experiences on true discrimination faced by racial minorities. You are straight, and hence have no life experiences on discrimination against GLBT people, so in this case, your opinion has lesser weight than those who are GLBT. Its a fact of life that the majority can, at best, only temporarily pretend to be a member of a minority, and only then could they get true understanding of what its like to be that minority. Look up the book "Black like Me" for some perspective on this.

So when you have people saying that GLBT delegates shouldn't be represented proportionally, that is discriminatory and wrong when other minorities are given that same treatment.

So, in a sense, the GLBT people here on DU are being oversensitive, but then again, they have good reason to be.

[madfloridian]

80. I got defensive because I was called a homophobe, laughed at...

and here came others to the post to attack me. I took it, I did not even alert. I asked a question, sincerely.

They were trying a court case in public, calling three people I respect homophobes.

You know what? I am pretty confident in myself and my beliefs...I don't need the aggravation. Let them despise me....it just doesn't matter anymore.

We confronted a group of motorcyclists at one rally...counts for nothing. Cause I questioned.

Call me whatever. No more efforts.

[Solon]

86. You were defending the indefensible, and your question, as you put it, was nonsense...

Just get over it and move on from it. The DNC and Democrats in general have shit upon GLBT people for years, and at some point the tolerance of being mistreated is going to end.

[madfloridian]

90. Two days of grilling trying to break the back of the party leaders.

That is not something a lot of people can just move past. I did not deserve what was done to me in that thread. It was sickening.

I don't have to "move on" and get over it. I most surely do not.

It has stuck with me. The treatment in that thread went beyond decent. It was terrifying.

[krkaufman]

48. Why would anyone get their pink TuTu in a bunch over "pink TuTu"?

I would think it communicates a ballerina, a delicate flower, a lover rather than a fighter. I could see someone taking it as sexist, but homophobic? I don't get it.

[donheld]

52. Only a pink tutu wearer that has the wrong size tutu

:D

[krkaufman]

89. Now you've got me imagining Karl Rove in a pink tutu ...

... and it's not pretty.

[MagickMuffin]

56. FrenchieCat, once again you have out done yourself

I read your post last night, but not all the responses (until just now), I knew it got locked, but didn't understand why.

After reading this current post and apology I must admit I didn't know that "Pink TuTu" was supposed to be offensive to the gay community. DUers have been using that term for a very long time and this is the first time anyone has complained about it, as far as I know.

I always thought referring to "Pink TuTU" Dems, just meant have didn't have the balls to stand up for themselves.

Ah well, live and learn.

Thank you for your well thought out post from last night, and having the HEART to apologize tonight.:hug:

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[Buzz Clik]

71. nicely done, Frenchie.

[NorthCarolina]

78. As a gay man I wish someone would inform me How the term "Pink tutu" is offensive to gay folks

I couldn't find any reference to it in my hand book so I have no way of knowing if I should be offended or not.

[onehandle]

92. That's what I was wondering.

My former boss is gay and one of my employees is gay.

Neither have ever been spotted in a "Pink tutu."