Sexism: the fallback argument for why Hillary is losing

[ProSense]

When all Hillary's attacks fail, there is always the sexism argument.

In addition to this, here is why sexism is a lousy argument for why Hillary is losing:

• Hillary is losing because she is a poor manager.
  
  
• Her old strategist was overpaid and lousy.
  
  
• Her new strategist can't defend her.
  
  
• Sexism isn't responsible for Hillary adopting every RW talking point.

The sexism argument is another crutch to excuse the denial that she is a lousy candidate who came to the race prepared only with the notion that she couldn't lose.




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[bluestateguy]

1. Unfortunately, some feminists regard any criticism of a woman as sexist

It's a nice way of silencing all criticism.

[TML]

4. True

I've already been called "pig" and "oink" by two different Clintonistas over my Camille Paglia thread in the past hour.

[cbayer]

10. If you were called a pig, it's been deleted.

The oink comment wasn't targeted at you at all and was not from a Clinton supporter.

Do you know anything about Camille Paglia?

[TML]

21. Yes

But she DID raise some valid points about Hillary Clinton's qualifications and they need to be discussed. Especially since her supporters are making their final stand. That was the point of posting that piece.

[NanceGreggs]

2. Amen, amen, amen ...

... and a hearty K & R for the man who stated the obvious.

:kick:

[ProSense]

13. Thanks!

I am not a man, but I appreciate the "amen."

[NanceGreggs]

18. No offence meant ...

... and I am assuming there was no offence taken.

Great post!!!

[ProSense]

22. No offense taken.

Thanks.

[cliffordu]

3. Yep, you're right. They've about worn this out, though.

Racism is next. Nobody likes white women.

[karynnj]

5. What is also sexist is saying that not liking a specific woman is

because she is a woman. I would love to vote for a woman, but I don't think that HRC has the character or the ability to inspire to be a good President - and it's not good that she already is making an enemies list - that may have more Democrats than Republicans on it!

[Guava Jelly]

6. She is losing simply because people either like her or hate her.

And more people dislike her than like her due to 12-16 years of Clinton bashing.
People don't forget even if their hatred is misguided it still is there.
It is sort of like high school and she just isn't one of the popular kids..

[cliffordu]

14. I don't hate her:

I don't hate her because of the 12 years of Clinton bashing. I'm smarter than that.

I HATE WHAT SHE'S DONE DURING THIS CAMPAIGN. HER ACTIONS.

6 months ago she had my vote, win, lose or draw.

She tossed it away when she started with the Rovian tactics.

[Guava Jelly]

16. I don't hate her either

I just don't believe for the life of me that she can beat McCain.
Specially if the campaign she has run is any indication.

[cliffordu]

17. She and McCain can run the brokest-assed campaigns in history.

[ms liberty]

7. K&R. I agree. n/t

[boppers]

8. Hillary can't accept blame.

It has to be *something* else. Always.

[Scurrilous]

9. K & R

:thumbsup:

[ovidsen]

11. Just a crutch. Exactly.

I'm no more of a sexist than I am I racist, which is to say I'll eagerly vote for either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama in November. Anything to get a Democratic Party leader in the White House. Anything to keep any GOP candidate out. Labelling me a sexist because I don't think Senator Clinton is perfect doesn't make me a sexist. Simple as that.

But (to put it kindly) Senator Clinton has not been running the best of campaigns. Especially in recent months. IMO, of course. Just the same, I'll vote for her if she wins the nomination. Not because of (or in spite of) the fact that she happens to be a white woman. But because she's qualified for the job. Certainly more qualified than any Republican who runs against her.

[Triana]

12. I believe...

...that Hillary has been treated as a Presidential candidate by the media and others, in ways that they'd never have treated a male candidate.

I believe that Obama has been treated as a Presidential candidate by the media and others, in ways they'd never have treated a white male candidate. See George Stephanopoulus' racist line of questioning for that.

However, I do NOT believe sexism is why Hillary is losing. I've never believed that. She's losing because of the way she has run her campaign, because she's a Republican running on a Dem ticket and it's obvious by the very tactics she's using against Obama. And -- Mark Penn? :wtf: Dead giveaway there.

BUT - having a black and a female candidate has brought front and center the sexism and racism that still exists in America today. That is NOT, however, why Hillary is losing, or why Obama is winning, either way. It's disgusting, for sure, to still see such sexism and racism alive and rampant in this country - particularly in the media - but I don't believe it's why anyone is winning or losing. It's just a disgusting display that puts our country to shame, and adds to the already long list of things we have to be ashamed of that George W. has done in our names. It certainly doesn't HELP matters any no matter who wins or loses. Just makes the U.S. look like a bunch of maniacal knuckle-draggers who can't evolve.

Hillary is losing because she expected to win, ran a shoddy campaign, and used Repuke tactics (climbed right in political bed with them and the media) to bring down her Democratic opponent when it became obvious that she wasn't going to be a shoe-in. And - because she's really a Republican - used to be - still is - and fewer and fewer people are being hoodwinked by the fact that she's running on a Dem ticket. People are SICK of Republicans and their tactics and Hillary only offers more of them. That's why she's losing.


That's my .02

[cbayer]

15. Do me a favor. Watch this and tell me what you think.

I figured this out!

just not how to make it blue and bold, but I am working on it.

[ProSense]

19. I've seen it, it's propaganda.

The media is sexist, racist and anti-Democratic.

Edwards supporters say they ignored him, costing him a victory. Stringing together a bunch of comments, some legitimate criticism, doesn't mean that the media is anymore sexist toward Hillary than any other woman. Look at the crap they threw at Pelosi.

Remember when Ed Rendell lauded racist, sexist Fox Noise? Yeah, the video starts off with KO criticizing Hillary and then goes into the assholes from Fox. I think it's just another attempt to paint Hillary as a victim, when the victims are women, blacks, the poor, gays, etc.

Hillary claimed Hispanics wouldn't vote for Obama, and recently that Americans will not vote for a black man.

Sexism is despicable, but then again, so is Hillary.

[cbayer]

26. I apologize for implying that you called Clinton a lying POS earlier.

Calling her despicable is so much more acceptable.

You hate her. That is clear.

[ProSense]

27. What's your opinion of her questioning Obama's patriotism and implying he has ties to terrorists? nt

[BlooInBloo]

20. There are 2 primary reasons it sucks...

(1) Because there's undoubtedly SOME sexism involved - but it wouldn't account for people CHANGING their support - after all, it's not like people just now DISCOVERED Clinton's a woman.

(2) It give sexist men the "oh you women say everything's sexist", based on one kinda stupid example. Rather like white folks regard themselves as free to dismiss racism by citing the 2 incidents that every white person knows about. Of course it's asinine, but that's what it leads to.

[Umbram]

23. Hillary's disciples are thrilled to think she's a martyr for a cause

When really she's just a horrible candidate.

[PatGund]

24. My take on it

There is this idea that Sen. Clinton "deserves" or is "entitled" to the nomination and the presidency. That it is "her turn", or that it might be someone's "last chance to see a woman elected"

The problem is they have so much invested in this attitude that it creates blinders to negative behaviour that Sen. Clinton and her campaign is doing. So when the backlash happens due to this behaviour, the choices are either:

1) Excuse it due to some "ist", i.e. "You're just sexist", or "the Democratic Party is sexist and discriminating against her", or even "the voters are sexist and shouldn't be trusted"

2) Blame the backlash on some "flaw" they see in the people in question, i.e. "These kids are just following the Sen. Obama fad, they need to shut up / wait their turn / stand aside so the 'adult' superdelegates can select Sen. Clinton", or "these 'Obamabots' are a cult and are not 'real' Democrats!"

3) Project the flaws from their choice to the opposition, i.e. "Obama is running an negative campaign", or "he's lying about so many things", (note, this choice works best if the person ignores any request to prove their claim and/or ignores any evidence to the contrary.)

Personally I think it's foolish to act like a spoiled child saying "if I don't get what I want then I'll take my vote and go home and YOU'LL BE SORRY!!". Which is how I see ANYONE saying "If (name of person here) doesn't get the nomination, then I won't vote in November / will vote for McCain / cut off my nose to spite my face"

[zulchzulu]

25. The Hillary camp needs to define what a female Obama supporter is

Maybe Bill can do it... are they sexist? Are they "misogynists"?

:rofl:

[ProSense]

33. I guess

PA is one of the least sexist states in the nation.

[ProSense]

28. Hillary's campaign is now on the official women are the most persecuted tour.

In other words, she's losing because she's a woman "dancing backward in high heels."

Dear Hillary, this isn't an effing Astaire-Rogers movie.

[Evergreen Emerald]

29. this stupid argument is full of 1/2 truths and is offensive to women

I should not expect anything more.

[Inuca]

30. Maybe to some, but

not to this woman, and not to many others. Generalization is your enemy or at best a very false friend.

[ProSense]

32. The sexism argument will be trumpeted from here on out. n/t

[ProSense]

31. You keep posting that comment. Now, point to the half truths. Where are they? n/t

[quantass]

34. And Hillary just comes off as untrustworthy / opportunist. Quite amazing how polar Obama is to her

[ProSense]

35. Wonder how those Hillary supporters who hype or plan to vote for McCain feel about this:

McCain Opposes Equal Pay Law

Hey, but he's crossed the CIC threshold, according to Hillary

[ProSense]

36. Excellent comment by a former Hillary supporter

I switch to Obama

[ProSense]

37. There is a fallback argument when blaming sexism for Hillary's lost fails:

unity ticket!

Yeah, Obama needs a running mate who questioned his patriotism, claimed that Americans will not vote for a black man, and pushed that he has ties to terrorists.

:sarcasm:

[graycem]

38. What I find curious

is the continued support of a man who did so many things to humiliate her, and degrade so many other women that crossed his path. Yes, I know he's not running this time, but usually when she's applauded or praised, he gets lumped in there too. Why do so many people look the other way over Bill's behavior towards women?