It occurs to me that the most ubiquitous, outspoken, and eloquent supporters of Obama on DU...

[Bicoastal]

..are WOMEN.

And if I felt for a second that Obama's campaign was deeply, inherently anti-female, and that these posters were all battered doormats who hated their own gender, I would be less dismissive of accusations of sexism recently touted by Hillary supporters.

But although Male myself, and therefore perhaps inherently biased, I would say that DU'ers such as Prosense, Cali, FrenchieCat, babylonsister, and NanceGreggs (to name just 5) are all reasons to doubt such charges.

Carry on!

[scheming daemons]

1. As a male Obama supporter, I'm offended....... ;-)

[ruggerson]

65. well at least you're ubiquitous and outspoken

two out of three ain't bad

[Ken Burch]

183. and bitter, of course

:eyes:

[Bonobo]

2. K&R~~! And let me say how much I appreciate their voices as well!!!

[saltpoint]

3. Can boys play, too?

Barack Obama is the next President of the United States.

[JanusAscending]

64. Here you go Darlin'!

Take my arm and come on in! Hey Crusoe!!! How the hell are ye? We "seasoned" Dem. veterans gotta stick like glue. Come one, come all! Young and old. People all over the world, join in, join in. It's the OBAMA TRAIN! All aboard!!!!!!!!!!:toast: Here's to the next POTUS Barack OBAMA !!!!!!

[saltpoint]

91. Hey there, dc. That was nice. Thank you.

I think the posters named in the OP are a damned talented bunch and I think this guy from Illinois is goin' places.

[JanusAscending]

191. You are MOST welcome, kind Sir!!

n/t :hi:

[cliffordu]

4. I couldn't agree more...

I fully admit to being a big dumb male..

smart enough to be a fan of every writer you just mentioned, though.

[tammywammy]

5. recommended.

;)

[mystieus]

9. ha haha

I approve! :)

[globalvillage]

6. Four of my favorites

I agree completely. Women for Obama rock!

[Cirque du So-What]

7. I'm a man, man, and I support Barack Obama too!

The real world interferes with my online activities, and I don't want to get caught in the crossfire of some poo-flinging contest.

[harmonicon]

77. +1

[Cha]

8. Yes, and I've met hilary and shaken her

hand after I took her picture in 2001 and then Oct 10, 2002 happened and she lost me forever.

[lyonn]

162. Ugh, that was a gut wrenching vote (day)

It took her forever to admit it wasn't a good vote. Actually she said it wasn't a vote allowing george to take us to war yet wouldn't vote for the amendment to come back to Congress before attacking?? She did not read the intel report that was demanded by the dem. leaders prior to the vote. She apparently already knew that Iraq was too evil to leave alone.

I watched her speech that day and remember getting tense over how she described how she viewed the issue and then, at the very last minute she said she was voting for it. I remember walking around the house cursing and wondering what happened to such a smart lady.

[Cha]

178. She was lying back then...she knew

exactly what she was doing and why. Turns out her BS is what she does best.

[Triana]

10. two of those you list are on ignore for me, but...

...I'm a woman and I support Obama, since Edwards is gone.

[dchill]

138. "two ... are on ignore"

Why? That doesn't seem right...

[JuniperLea]

160. You are definitely cut from a different bolt of cloth, Triana...

I've noticed you are one of the most kind Obama supporters here... male or female.

I salute you!

:patriot:

[babylonsister]

11. And most of them give the lie to the fact that

Clinton attracts middle-aged + women. Go figure! And add me. :evilgrin:

[Bicoastal]

13. I did, actually. I can't add everybody, though, but you definitely shoulda been up there...

...but these are all honestly the names that come to me when I think of DU's most passionate OBAMA supporters, not specifically females who root for him.

[babylonsister]

24. Hey~

I didn't respond for you to add me; that you did was very sweet. I love all the Obama supporters, and this post. :pals:

[rwheeler31]

12. Smart guy Michelle, Prosense, Nancy,Frenchie,and Cali will

[SunsetDreams]

14. middle aged woman for Obama here

[AZBlue]

50. Me too!

:hi:

[Pirate Smile]

58. Me too.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

100. Me too, too.

[otohara]

101. Is 55 Still Middle Aged?

cuz now I get a senior citizen discount at Ross on Tuesday's.

[Stardust]

168. 55 isn't middle-aged unless you plan to live to be 110. ;>) nt

[mcctatas]

15. As a woman who supports Obama, I find the constant cries of

sexism against hillary offensive. She's working the "good old boy" political network for all it's worth and seems to think that she needs to have "bigger balls" than the men to get elected. I've said it before, although I would love to have a woman president, I won't vote for an asshole just because she has a vagina!

[madfloridian]

32. As a woman who supports Obama, I agree with you.

.

[Two Americas]

82. but....

...the "good old boys" from the good old boys network are all endorsing Obama.

[mcctatas]

92. oh please...

Thomas B. Edsall
The Huffington Post
Hillary Locks Up The Backing Of The DC Democratic Establishment
August 23, 2007 04:43 PM


Washington--From the K Street lobbyist corridor to the major gay and lesbian organizations to the city's kingpin consultants and fundraisers to the big feminist groups, Hillary Clinton has acquired a near-lock on the Democratic establishment in the nation's capital.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/23/hillary-locks-up-the-back_n_61603.html

[Two Americas]

94. ahhh

So I take it that "the major gay and lesbian organizations" and "the big feminist groups" are part of the old politics and the DLC, then? The evil ones who must be crushed?

If we are going to have an ultimate showdown between the forces of good and the forces of evil, shouldn't it be a little easier to tell who is who?

How do endorsements from "the major gay and lesbian organizations" and "the big feminist groups" reflect poorly on a candidate exactly?

[mcctatas]

96. again...

oh please...
I posted the first paragraph of an article, read the whole thing...
and yes, "major gay and lesbian organizations" and "the big feminist groups" are part of the Democratic Party establishment, the good part of the establishment. But in the context of my original post, I don't think they qualify as part of the "good old boy" establishment, you know, the ones who threatened Nancy Pelosi to pull thier fund raising support if she didn't shut up about super delegates supporting the will of the people?
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/03/hillary-tonya-harding-clinton-big.html

in case you forgot, which hillary supporters seem to do alot lately

and by the way, first Obama supporters were sexist, now we're homophobes, what's tomorrow gonna bring, tax-cheats, pedophiles? There is no level of character assasination too low for some of the hillary folks....:puke:

[Two Americas]

103. not a "Hillary supporter"

I am not a "Hillary supporter," nor did I do any "character assassination."

I think that the things that people and organizations which support Clinton have in common is that they support CLinton. Likewise Obama. Trying to paint some big dramatic difference between two extremely similar candidates, let alone turn this into a good versus evil melodrama, seems a little silly. That is the point I am making.

[mcctatas]

107. yeah...

that was what you were doing :eyes:, but it's good to know that not all the drama queens are in one of the candidate "camps", completely detatched asshatery is cool too..

by the way, I'm a woman, so it's her list. Of coures to be safe you could always use the gender neutral "their list"

[Two Americas]

110. you lost me

This makes no sense, sorry.

[AntiFascist]

181. It is important to note that powerful special interest groups support Clinton...

in this case, certain gay and lesbian organizations. While being gay myself, I have no doubt that Clinton would be a positive force for gay rights, but my concerns about her presidency transcend gay rights and I am much more concerned about the broader issues about the direction our nation is moving. Sometimes we have to look beyond our special interest toward the greater good, although I seriously doubt that Obama would ever be a negative force for gay rights. He often takes the initiative to include the term "gay and lesbian" when spelling out the various factions of the common people.

[Two Americas]

192. agreed

I understand what you are saying. Both candidates have been endorsed or supported by various interest groups. If Obama is new politics, how come all of the old politicians endorsed him? The United States Chamber of Commerce and the powerful business interests they represent were very worried about the Edwards candidacy. The wealthy and powerful and their right wing propagandists know what is at stake, what the battle is about, and where the battle lines are drawn. They don't fear either of the two candidates remaining in the race.

What the wealthy and powerful people fear is the rhetoric of Edwards. Why? Because it could spread and catch on, and if it did a powerful public consensus would form to fight back on behalf of the working people and the Democratic party politicians would be forced to represent and advance the people's aspirations. Many of us supported the Edwards campaign not because we were in love with the man, nor that we thought he was the "best" candidate, or most exciting celebrity, or a hero or a savior, but rather because of the desperate need for people to hear his message. The Edwards campaign had to be ignored and silenced for that reason.

[AntiFascist]

193. yet, in one of his speeches, Edwards cited AT & T as one of the "good" corporations...

because of how they treat their employees. This threw me and other Edwards-supporting DUers for a loop since AT&T has been right in the center of the NSA domestic spying controversy. While Edwards may often talk tough against the big corporations in general, Obama seems much more in tune with the need for change with respect to the government-corporate alliance and how it relates to our foreign policy versus our domestic priorities. The type of tactic the government used with AT&T smells of fascism, and Edwards seemed to have no problem with it, or at best not aware of the danger. Not all of the old politicians support Obama, but many economists do support him because they know that a fascist-leaning economy is only good for the wealthiest of the wealthy, not for the nation as a whole.

[Two Americas]

195. odd twist there

Obama is all things to all people. I hope that your Obama is the real Obama.

You have turned the world upside down to come to this conclusion. A "fascist leaning economy?" Whatever is that? "The government-corporate alliance and how it relates to our foreign policy versus our domestic priorities?" The "smell" of fascism? And Obama kinda sorta "gets" all of this in some magical mysterious way?

Modern liberalism seems ever adaptable, and co-opts everything in its path, and Obama seems to be the perfect chameleon to represent it. Obama and the liberal activists are kinda sorta leftists now, and opposed to fascism - you know, against the war and stuff and bringing new feelings and vibrations and stylizations to government, along with some technocratic "get the job done" nonsense - never mind what the "job" is exactly, we will know it when we see it.

This isn't a political campaign, it is a marketing campaign.

[AntiFascist]

196. I think you characterized Clinton moreso than Obama...

She has proven to be all things to all people in her campaign. The triangulating strategy of the DLC is ever adaptable and co-opts everything in its path - Clinton is the perfect chameleon to carry this forward. Her campaign smacks of corporate marketing and high-level executives, with her "job resume".

As for the fascist-leaning economy it's really not all that mysterious - why did I have to turn the world 'upside-down' to come to that conclusion? As for the NSA spying, it allows the government-corporate alliance to keep close tabs on all potential dissidents who aren't "with the <Bush> program". How close have they come to classifying anti-war activist groups as potential security threats?

There's nothing mysterious about the Obama strategy vs. Clinton. In recent speeches Clinton has more or less endorsed an imperial America in tight control of its Middle East oil interests, whereas Obama prefers to focus on restoring America's strength back home. It's as simple as that.

[Two Americas]

202. so what?

Who is praising the Clinton candidacy? It is such a clear sign of profound weakness to promote Obama by criticizing Clinton.

When I say "turn the world upside down" I mean confusing cause and effect, a chronic problem in modern liberalism for which the Obama campaign is the penultimate (and I believe final) expression. The "war" - and there is no "war," and calling it a "war" illustrates the problem with modern liberalism and its obsession over isolated and emotionalized feel-good causes, as well as reinforcing and promoting the administration's propaganda about what is happening in Iraq - is an effect, an effect that is consistent with the plans and goals of the extreme right wing, acting on behalf of the wealthy and powerful few.

We have a candidacy that is very strong when talking about effects, and very weak on talking about causes. This is a weak message to take to the public, and is easily compromised and co-opted. Why is that? It is because the small faction that controls modern liberalism and the party seeks to eliminate the unpleasant effects of the social problems, so they are all turned into "positions" on "issues" and phrased and promoted in childish ways - "I am against war" and "I am against poison" and "I am against bad things," but there is a violent resistance to looking at causes and a rock solid commitment to the status quo.

In this way, modern liberalism succeeds, though it looks as though it is failing. It succeeds in being an outlet and a diversion to lure people away from real political action, and it succeeds in giving people an opportunity to express themselves and feel good about themselves, and it succeeds at keeping inequality and injustice in place by mitigating the most obvious and unpleasant effects of that inequality and injustice.

This is all very weak politically, and the right wingers - not living in the fantasy world of self-delusion that we live in - make mincemeat of us again and again. They go for results, we go for being "right." They laugh their asses off at us, at how pathetically weak, divided and hypocritical we are. It is child's play for them to demolish modern liberalism.

[AntiFascist]

203. I've often been concerned that Rep. John Conyers is representative of the weak liberalism...

that you speak of. He will air our concerns about election fraud and other high-level corruption and make noise and write letters concerning impeachment, but in the end has achieved very little, acting more as an outlet for us to express our frustrations.

I see the Obama campaign as being significantly different. His words act to raise people up and bring them to action, in much the same way as MLK or JFK. A single speech by JFK created broad support for the space program and allowed us to land a man on the moon within one decade, which was his stated goal. The success of Obama's presidency rests with how receptive the people are to his message. If we can be serious about the call to action, and stand up to the forces of the status quo (prevalent throughout the MSM) then we can and will achieve dramatic change.

[Two Americas]

204. my Representative

John Conyers represents a community in Detroit that has struggled and suffered for a long time without anyone in the white liberal activist community ever caring about that. Now suddenly he is under attack from white liberals around the country because he won't dance to their "progressive" tune. If white liberals had his back, he could do a lot more. Why people don't pester their white representatives to back Conyers up, rather than targeting and hassling Conyers is a mystery. He gets it from both directions, and that is symptomatic of the hypocrisy and arrogance of the white activist community.

The Obama campaign is most definitely "significantly different" than Conyers' politics. Conyers is the tireless and courageous champion of the most downtrodden and forgotten people in the country, and Obama is the latest darling of the upscale liberals. The contrast could not be more dramatic.

[AntiFascist]

205. I did not bring up Conyers because he happens to be black...

I would consider Nancy Pelosi to also be symptomatic of this new 'do nothing' liberalism, and her congressional district demographic is much more in line with what you are talking about - the wealthy status quo liberals who don't want to make too many waves. By the way, I and others have pestered my own (white) representative (not Pelosi) to support Conyers and she has.

I believe that Obama has the support of enough powerful and potential agents of change in national politics that he really can make a difference, and he is not just the latest fad of upscale liberals.

[Two Americas]

207. I didn't think you did

Pelosi is the leader. She is responsible, not Conyers. She isn't doing nothing, she is doing a heckuva job - at just what she was elected to do. She pays some lip service to the anti-war folks to keep them at bay, and than goes to work trying to smooth things over - has everyone forgotten that Pelosi promised the same things Obama is promising now? She has been "transcending the divisiveness of the past" - reaching across the aisle, setting a new tone, being a "agent of change."

I don't know what "agents of change" are, nor what "change" means. Seems to me we have had far too much change. First, the Democratic party was completely changed, and Pelosi and Obama both represent that new Democratic party. Then radical right wingers - true "agents of change," set to work on an ambitious program of change - dismantling the country.

We have had enough change. We have lived on hope for too long. We have been too ready to believe.

[AntiFascist]

210. The simple fact is this...

as was recently pointed out on Bill Maher's 'Real Time': many low-income Republicans, even in the South, are upset with Bush and the Republican party because he has only helped the wealthy. They are willing to vote for Obama because he offers to focus on solving domestic problems that plague American workers. The Clintons are not reaching these folks, in fact they blame Bill Clinton for NAFTA and favoring trade agreements with China. Hillary talks about creating an 'umbrella' of protection in the Middle East, which smacks of yet more imperialism and hundreds of billions of $ diverted to this area which could be utilized domestically. No matter how the tv pundits try to brainwash us against Obama, this is what people are starting to believe across both parties and this why Obama has the better chance of winning the GE.

[Two Americas]

211. maybe

I don't think you have made the case for this narrative.

[krkaufman]

99. Nice selective filtering ...

What about "to the city's kingpin consultants and fundraisers"?

[Two Americas]

105. of course

Of course I filtered the list. I agree with the poster about "the city's kingpin consultants and fundraisers." I was pointing that out, and criticizing the Clinton candidacy about that a year ago. I mentioned the ones in his list that didn't seem to fit in and asked about those.

[krkaufman]

98. Really? Is that why Hillary had 160 superdelegates behind her campaign ...

... before even a single vote was cast in January, to Obama's ~60? And Hillary still maintains a superdelegate advantage, so your premise is false. The party elders seem to have favored Clinton, but are only slowly coming over to Obama's side.

[treestar]

158. They wouldn't vote for Condi

Your last sentence is absolutely right, and Democrats supporting Hillary know that when it comes to Republican women.

The real sexists would never vote for a Democrat anyway, and hell, they aren't so sexist that they wouldn't vote for a woman if the Republicans ran one.

[ccharles000]

16. It cuts both ways.

I as a young man should be for Obama but I support Hillary.

[Bicoastal]

18. But I don't hear anyone accusing you of being a man-hater.

[Oilwellian]

17. Count me in

I don't see sexism as an issue in this campaign at all. Multiple personalities maybe, but not genitalia. }(

[libnnc]

19. lesbian (gasp!) for the front runner here

:hide:

My partner is too.

Weird, eh?

[SwampG8r]

128. whoa whoa whoa

YOU are a lesbian and so is your PARTNER?
what new hell has been unleashed before us?
:crazy:

[meow mix]

20. plus AtomicKitten, Kittycat, Stephanie, Slinker, Jenmito, Hepburn, tammywammy, powergirl

always great peeps to have around =)
i know im missing many...

[Bicoastal]

22. Are there more women than men on GD:P or what?

From where I'm sitting there always seem to be more ladies arguing passionately on either side than fellows.

[SwampG8r]

129. hmmmmm

perhaps we need to breed a super race of democrat

im available ladies

:wow:

[tammywammy]

30. ahhh

:blush:

[hfojvt]

31. you mean like

Raven and Ava?

[merh]

43. count me in

:hi:

[Jane Austin]

74. Don't forget Meeeeeeeeeeeeeee . . . .

I'm a little to the downside of middle-aged :creak: but I support Obama with all my heart - and a great deal of my cash.

[Kool Kitty]

80. Me, too.

[AtomicKitten]

87. high-five

:hi:

[Pawel K]

21. Not to mention cali was borderline Clinton supporter at one time.

from what I recall.

But it's much easier to accuse someone of sexism than to address what they are saying.

[JeffR]

23. Here's a song in their honor:

Sisters of Mercy

Oh the sisters of mercy,
they are not departed or gone.
They were waiting for me
when I thought that I just can't go on.
And they brought me their comfort
and later they brought me this song.
Oh I hope you run into them,
you who've been travelling so long.

Yes you who must leave everything
that you cannot control.
It begins with your family,
but soon it comes around to your soul.
Well I've been where you're hanging,
I think I can see how you're pinned:
When you're not feeling holy,
your loneliness says that you've sinned.

Well they lay down beside me,
I made my confession to them.
They touched both my eyes
and I touched the dew on their hem.
If your life is a leaf that the seasons
tear off and condemn
they will bind you with love that is
graceful and green as a stem.

When I left they were sleeping,
I hope you run into them soon.
Don't turn on the lights,
you can read their address by the moon.
And you won't make me jealous
if I hear that they sweetened your night:
We weren't lovers like that
and besides it would still be all right,
We weren't lovers like that
and besides it would still be all right.

- Leonard Cohen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBFQg7P5YKw

Gotta go, I'm tearing up a little, and that offends my deep-seated male chauvinist pig tendencies.

[saltpoint]

28. One of the best songs ever in a post by one of the web's most intelligent

and readable posters.

Thanks for that visit to a wonderful poem/song, JeffR.

I like your politics and I like your music, too.

[JeffR]

37. Thank you, OC.

:blush:

[SunsetDreams]

39. Jeff that was beautiul thank you!

[NanceGreggs]

41. Ah, ya crazy, pie-in-the-sky romantic!

Thanks for honouring we Obama Ladies, and thanks to Bicoastal for including me in such heady company.

But most of all, thanks to you, JeffR, for all of the sweet somethings you have whispered in my ear over the years - primary season or not.

[babylonsister]

51. Get A Room.

:eyes:











:pals: to you both! :D

[madrchsod]

62. that`s to much information...

[JeffR]

75. You're my "primary" reason for living.

Time for a caucus, perhaps?

[NanceGreggs]

79. Happy to caucus with you anywhere ...

... even in the states that don't count.

[TahitiNut]

108. That used to be illegal in Canada.

:dunce:


:hide:

[SwampG8r]

131. nut were you on the lists

in this thread?cause you sure oughta be

if your female i mean

[Ken Burch]

184. And in the South, unless the state was your cousin or your hound dog.

Or both...:wow:

[ekwhite]

81. Thanks for the Cohen

It made me tear up a bit too. :cry:

[DearAbby]

25. Don't forget Momma!

:hi:

[meow mix]

26. doh

:D
:hug:

[DearAbby]

27. Awwwwwwww

Com'mere :hug:

[futureliveshere]

29. I'm a guy. Can I join the party too? I whole-heartedly support Barack Obama.

:hi:

[meow mix]

36. yeaah!!

sure bro! sit over here!
:toast:

[futureliveshere]

63. Yiippeee!!!.. Make way for me!!!

:party: :toast: :beer: :bounce:

[crankychatter]

33. I looked up 'ubiquitous' and I have to caution you...

: existing or being everywhere at the same time : constantly encountered : WIDESPREAD

the last time I told a woman she was widespread, she didn't know I was complimenting' her

have you ever been wacked with a brush..?

them little hummers draw blood, dude

[rwheeler31]

42. Yep told ya

[Coexist]

34. 5 great ladies to be sure!

Lots more, too.

[mahina]

35. Who are you going to believe, spinmeisters or your own eyes?

Good point!

[Piperay]

38. All great posters

this woman agrees. :-)

[Tellurian]

40. Except, you failed to note, the posters you mentioned are all FAR Leftists..

Most women are NOT, they are moderates!

[mcctatas]

44. and you are the spokesperson for most women because????

I suppose, the only way to make HRC look like she's still a democrat is to paint Obama supporters as FAR Leftists...
jog on...
:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

46. I'm a moderate, the way that moderates used to be.....

I'm a minister's wife and an Accountant.
I supported Gen. Wes Clark in 2004. So I don't know how "Far" I actually went.

[madrchsod]

54. far leftists? really? they are all far leftists

i guess they would be to a member of the new world order

[newmajority]

69. Obama is a "far leftist", and so are all of his supporters.

At least according to the DLC talking points that apparently were released recently, because they're spinning that rhetoric like a spider on crystal meth for the last few days.

[tammywammy]

76. I thought Obama was more conservative than Hillary

and an honorary member of the DLC. :crazy:

[newmajority]

93. No, that was last week's Hillbot talking points.

Gotta keep up with this shit. :evilgrin:

The script will be repeated all day long tommorrow on progressive radio. At least on the shows that haven't started cutting off the professional Hillbots in mid script.

[Bicoastal]

56. From that remark, I doubt you've ever met a "FAR Leftist" in your life.

Far Leftists wouldn't be actively supporting EITHER of the remaining candidates.

And besides, although most PEOPLE in this country qualify as moderates (not just females), women almost always tend to vote more liberal than their male counterparts.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

61. Far leftists on DU?!?!?!?!?

:mad:

You're dumber than you think I think you are.

[tammywammy]

67. I'm a moderate and I support Obama

[ekwhite]

89. Boy, are you way off

:rofl:

Far leftists support Obama? :rofl:

FYI - far leftists are the guys who hand out the Maoist newspapers at peace marches - not Obama supporters.

These guys are far leftists. These guys are far leftists. These guys are not. See the difference?

[D23MIURG23]

124. And you know what Bill 'O Reilly says about FAR Leftists!!!!

oh shit, wrong forum...

[Blue_Roses]

134. well I lean center to left

actually left as person and center as a mother. Obama supporters are left, right, center, fringe...there is not preference.

[Tinksrival]

135. I will not surrender my vajaja!

I'm a moderate white female Dem who will not surrender her Vajaja because I support Obama!

Former military wife and married to a reformed (ex)republican(thank God!)
White middle class from the republican burbs of Chicago!(near Hills real hometown)

[proud2BlibKansan]

147. Speak for yourself

A link would be nice too.

[ElboRuum]

174. Far Leftists?

:popcorn:

I can't wait for you to define "far leftist" for me.

[mhoran]

189. Baseless, personal attacks as a strategy for undermining the credibility of the opposition

Karl Rove Playbook, page 23.

[IndianaGreen]

208. Why can't you DLCers stay at your echo chamber Hillaryis44?

:puke:

[SoCalDem]

45. I support him..so does my husband and our 3 sons

28, 29 & 34 yr olds..

[madrchsod]

47. sexist remark!

i do know one thing they all write better than i do!

yes they are all fine writers

[FrenchieCat]

48. Thanks for putting my name in there.......

there are so many great women supporters for Obama, it is actually astounding!

We could start listing, and it would go on all night.

[Laurab]

49. AGREED. K&R

Although I am not "ubiquitous, outspoken, and eloquent", I am a pretty bright, middle-aged (oh, that part hurts!) female supporter of Obama. I have not been anyone's doormat, am not easily led, appreciate my own gender, and would love to have a woman as President. Just not the one that's running now.

I have a moral compass, don't like dirty politics, appreciate a politician who doesn't treat me as a child. I don't understand any of the charges of sexism, as I haven't noticed any sexism. I read the OPs about it, and don't really understand them, as they don't make sense to me, and what I wonder about is how much of it really has to do with the other "ism". I believe quite a lot, but, of course will never know for sure.

[Blondiegrrl]

52. I'm a (female) feminist for Obama ...

For demographic purposes:

I'm 36 years old, white, lower-middle class and college-educated.

[dailykoff]

53. DOES.. NOT.. COM.. PUTE..

Look out, the HAL-bot is about to explode!!!

:scared:

[Cant trust em]

55. Me is Obama supporter. I are so fucking eloquent. NT

[Umbram]

57. The idiotic rants of the "Obama is sexist" crowd are transparent

Particularly one in particular who posts nothing more than the stream of consciousness of an affectively dysfunctional mind - wallowing in the absurd belief that Clinton is a martyr.

[mopinko]

59. can i join? just in case there was some confusion.

people often think all mos are hes. but i am not only female, i am "old school feminist".

[myrna minx]

60. I'm a mid thirties white woman for Obama.

:hi:

[Jane Austin]

78. I am so envious of you young'uns.

When I was in my thirties, we elected Reagan, and it's been mostly downhill since then.

I envy you the chance to see the ship of state righted once again.

[tishaLA]

66. chopped liver

c'est moi

[tammywammy]

68. Never!

:P

[EV_Ares]

70. LOL, must be a boring night, eom.

[CoffeeCat]

71. Middle-aged, stay-at-home mom...

...for Obama--checking in here!

:)

[barack the house]

72. Very true let alone Naomi Wolfe, Van Huvel, and Maddow. Strong women intelligent

know their politics inside and out and the issues and favor Obama. Women who know what America they want to live in select Obama and no bias against their gender but a hope for their family and future.

[LaStrega]

73. This woman is for Obama n/t

[IsItJustMe]

83. K&R

Just for the examples of great posters that you name.

[RiverStone]

84. Your making too much sense!

Why are you so sensible!!! :hi:

[earth mom]

85. I'm a woman and I can't stand Obama.

I bet this thread won't be locked will it? :eyes:

[Bicoastal]

109. Of course not. Everything and everyone in this thread is quite positive...

...except for the sour grapes in the Clinton camp.

[earth mom]

112. DU has lost it's objectivity. Your thread mocks the pro Hillary & Feminism thread that was closed.

There have been far worse flame fests around here, but because someone spoke the truth about Hillary and Feminism and because it wasn't pro Obama, it was locked.

DU is fast becoming Obama Central or is that Obama Right of Center?! :puke:

Btw, I'm not for either Hillary or Obama.

I'm for truth & honesty-of which there is very little in Obama's campaign.

[SaveAmerica]

140. This thread is attempting to bring to light something that was lost in the chaos of the other,

and the numerous in the past and in the future that will try to do the same thing. It doesn't sound mocking at all to me, it calmly states how he and many others feel about Hillary and Obama's campaigns.

[Shakespeare]

159. It does NO such thing.

This thread simply defends, in a very respectful manner, the women here who support Obama. What's sad is that any of us should have to defend women who support Obama.

[earth mom]

165. No what's sad is that a post that had over 60-some recs and 40 positive posts

was shut down as a "flame fest" because people were no doubt alerting on it.

The thread I'm talking about was well written and was NOT inflammatory in any way.

It was just a viewpoint the Obama cultists around here didn't like.



Oh poor you, you have to defend your candidate. Give me a fucking break.

Well here's a News Flash for ya: That's what debate and this forum is supposed to be about!

What is sad and pathetic is that FREE SPEECH is NOT a two way street around here anymore.

You Obama nuts have seen to that haven't you?

It's all so disgustingly familiar because it's EXACTLY what * Co has done to free speech in this country.

[Shakespeare]

166. Bullshit.

1. That thread was locked for being idiotic flamebait.

2. I'm not an Obama supporter--I'm a woman who supported Edwards (and will vote for the eventual nominee), but I am fed to the teeth with seeing other women here who DO support Obama being attacked and having the feminist credentials questioned. This isn't about defending their candidate, as you so disingenuously put it, it's about defending themselves against spurious and baseless attacks. And it needs to stop. NOW.

[earth mom]

170. Bullshit yourself. You are living in denial if you think that you Obama nuts don't attack

other people around here every chance you get.

That's what needs to stop-NOW.

[Shakespeare]

171. That has NOTHING to do with what this discussion is about.

This discussion, and my reply to you, is specifically about female Obama supporters on this site being attacked by Hillary supporters and having their feminist credentials questioned. THAT is what needs to stop, and that doesn't change, no matter how much you try to change the subject.

I've been watching both sides go at it, and I assure you, the Hillary supporters are EVERY bit as nasty at the Obama supporters when it comes to attacks.

[earth mom]

179. NO-what this is about is you Obama nuts wanting to control everyone on this forum.

You all shut down discussion every chance you get.

Case in Point:

You saying that I'm changing the subject. :wtf:

Excuse me, but who replied to whose post in the first place?!

YOU replied to my post and then made it all about YOU and your poor misunderstood and mistreated self!

Your logic only proves that everyone must be in lock step with you nutcases or else. :crazy:

[Shakespeare]

180. Once more, since you have reading comprehension problems: I'm not an Obama supporter.

I'm an Edwards supporter who's sick to death of seeing women who support Obama attacked and their feminist credentials questioned.

I replied to you initially because you flat-out lied. Then you flipped out and completely changed the subject. Nobody's trying to shut you down, but you'd better believe I'll argue with you to my last breath over the right of my friends to support Obama without being called anti-feminists. Bank on that.

edited for typo

[mhoran]

188. The perfect remedy for bitterness?

Ignore.

I feel so empowered!

[TexasLady]

86. Proud to be amongst them!

:hi:

[Alii]

88. I can envision...

Eleanor Roosevelt popping in here in support of Barack Obama.

[Ichingcarpenter]

90. I'm a guy but hope I can give my kredos to these wonderful people

you all rock!!!

[boppers]

95. Another kick...

..to congratulate some of the most insightful voices in GD:P.

[Withywindle]

97. Gen X bi-ethnic woman for Obama here.

But I live in Illinois, which "doesn't count." :hi:

[stillcool]

102. I thougt this was interesting..

Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

So what really happened here, anyway?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/did_hillary_play_the_gender_card.php
After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I’d call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman.:
So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.
--------------------

Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of
gathering against her." Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.
---------------------------------------------------------
Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

Sunday, November 4, 2007
CLINTON PLANNED TO USE GENDER CARD ALL ALONG

RON FOURNIER, AP - Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job. As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_c...

[knixphan]

104. As a guy for Obama, I must say...

Nothing is as beautiful as a like-minded woman!

Big kiss to all my double-x chromosomed allies!

[Hope And Change]

106. K & R!

:kick:

[Political Heretic]

111. That's a pretty broad generalization.

Though, I appreciate your broader point.

[Tatiana]

113. This post is clearly sexist! You all are self-haters.

You will burn in the fiery pit of Hagee's Hell.

P.S. Another woman for Obama. Hey y'all :hi:

[caseycoon]

114. Thank you!

As a woman 'of a certain age' (which is what you say after sailing on past middle age) I have been sitting here going :wtf: about all the sexist charges. Glad to know it's not that I have a failing mind, but rather that they are ummmm.... nuts.
:hi:
K&R

[DrZeeLit]

115. I never really considered my gender when I decided. Or maybe I did?

At first I thought, "Wouldn't it be cool to have a woman as President?"
I carried that around and mulled a bit.
Then Molly Ivins wrote about Hillary Clinton.
And I began to think, "Molly's an amazing woman, and she will not vote for Hillary."
I kept thinking and reading and watching.
Then it became NOT about women, but about THE CLINTONS.
It wasn't Hillary. It was THE CLINTONS.
Now we had an imperial presidency going on again. Another round of THE CLINTONS.
Another round of all the same old faces (a lot like The Bushes bringing back all those old faces).
And then Bill wagged his finger in the camera during the SC primary (and I could see "that" old looping tape of him...oy!)
And all I could see was years of that whole drama going on.
Nothing about women being president, but a lot that I didn't like about how he treated women (real or imagined by the Right it still makes fodder on the news).
And my heart just sank.
She is not the right woman. Talk about baggage. And let's face it... what's her big claim to fame? what has she done?
She's been the WIFE of a president.
That's really not the way I hoped a woman would make it to the top. I want her to be independent and not connected to a man's apron strings.

And that wasn't all.
I began to educate myself about Barack Obama.
I read a lot.
I began to feel like new blood is what we need.
New ways of looking at our life as a nation and our politics and our standing in the world.
Hope?
Can't hurt.

Another woman will emerge. A woman with not so much baggage. A woman with a voice I can listen to without cringing.
And that's NOT why I voted (in Vermont) for Obama.
I really truly support his candidacy.

I think he's a candidate for all people. All Americans.
Not just women.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

116. Another middle aged woman for Obama

and I bring with me one "geezer" husband, three daughters (30,23,18) and one son (36). Go Obama!

[shadowknows69]

117. And they constantly get accused of sexism

Go figure.

[blogslut]

118. Kicking for the Ladies

I'm not a lady but I am female and I support Barack Obama. :)

[knixphan]

145. great line :)

[FunkyLeprechaun]

119. Female and Obama Supporter

And PROUD OF IT! K and R!

[LWolf]

120. One of the most outspoken NON supporters of Obama is also a woman.

Me.

I don't support either of the two currently "on the table," and I'll keep saying so until it's too late.

[mnhtnbb]

148. And another. Sigh. I long for John Edwards. Molly was right to warn us about Hillary.

On edit: And I wonder whether Molly would have gotten on the Obama bandwagon.

[LWolf]

185. I hope she would have, like Edwards, declined to "endorse" anyone. n/t

[FlaGranny]

121. "Older" woman for Obama here.

In my late 60's - Hillary's demographic, but 100% for Obama at this point - went from 50/50 can't make up my mind in the beginning of February.

[WillyT]

122. Hey !!! - Don't Forget VolcanoJen !!! - She's Been Workin Her Ass Off For Obama !!!

:bounce::kick::bounce:

K & R !!!

[ms liberty]

123. As a southern (and bitter, lol!) white woman for Obama, I agree...

I'm really not seein' all the sexism some Hillary supporters claim myself. Thanks for noticing, though - there are quite a few women here on DU supporting Obama. Those you named, among others, are great company to be in!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

125. As a mother of 2 children

and part of "The activist base" I turned to Obama when my favorite candidate dropped out. He offers the most honest future for America -

[SwampG8r]

126. wow

i never even thought about it
but you know what?
you are correct
and even tho i have a low post count (im seeing a specialist about it and the special underwear he prescribed seems to be working)not one of those people has ever been anything but exceedingly gracious to me
now
does that mean ,since i never factored their gender into my opinion of these ladies, that i am evolving?

[Barb in Atl]

127. Far from ubiquitous and eloquent...

but a fervent Obama supporter.

[NJmaverick]

130. Those who cry "sexism" are guilty of shamefully selling out the Women's movement

for some cheap votes.

[Tarc]

132. This must be a joke. The first 4 of the 5 are the worst partisan hacks in GD-P

One is on the ignore list, two are virtually ignored as their threads are gibberish, one is still perused on occasion for amusement value.

[proud2BlibKansan]

150. ..

:wow:

[haymakeragain]

154. Spoken like a true ...

well, you know.

[EV_Ares]

182. You absolutely have that right, eom.

[YOY]

133. Go ladies! It's ya birthday!

Salute to them all!

[onehandle]

136. One of the above, not so much.

John Edwards is not a phony.

[Scurrilous]

137. K & R

:thumbsup:

[rox63]

139. Count another middle-aged, white female for Obama here

:hi:

[Bake]

141. Ubiquitous and outspoken, yes. Only ONE of those posters is ever eloquent.

And that's NanceGreggs (kudos to Nance, BTW). The others are mostly venomous. Bilious.

Bake

[roseBudd]

142. 50 year old white female Obama supporter, I am a pragmatic supporter

who believes Hillary's unlikeability factor outweighes everything

And to screw over the black guy to hand to the priveliged from birth white woman is morally against everything the D party stands for.

[IronLionZion]

143. Those women are obviously sexist and not smart enough to decide for themselves.

It's a good thing they have female Hillary supporters to think for them.

Do I really need this?: :sarcasm:

[cali]

144. Thanks, BC

I'm completely comfortable with Obama on issues that are important to me as a woman. And it's not that I don't think Hillary isn't good on most of those. But one of my most important issues is remaking our foreign policy in a less aggressive mode, and I trust Obama more than Clinton on that.

[swimmernsecretsea]

146. Well, I was going to get all huffy, then I saw...

NanceGreggs, and I had to agree. But can I wrangle an invitation to this party? I'm having a great time here.

PS: You know who helped make me an Obama supporter? My brother. He's eloquent, outspoken, and one of the most intelligent and sensitive men I know. Thanks, Michael.

[helderheid]

149. Woman here for Obama!

:hi:

[Pappy]

151. Just because Hillary is a women doesn't mean she will automatically get women's votes

Hillary might be a women but she sure doesn't act like one. I would think anybody who supported the war, probably isn't very feminine.

[DrFunkenstein]

152. Damn, I Feel Like a Woman!

Or at least I feel like I wish I was one to back up your argument...But my wife is total Obamista (does that count for something?).

[Fyddlestyx]

153. Another woman for Obama here.!

After years as an Independent, I changed my party affiliation so I could caucus for Obama.

:kick:

[Buzz Clik]

155. It's clear that I'm neither ubiquitous nor outspoken.

I'll work on it.

[southern_belle]

156. Me too! Me too!

:bounce:

[trickyguy]

157. I'm no sexist.. And I certainly understand male bias. Being of the LGBT persuasion.

Quite honestly many times it's hard to tell the men from the women here.

I think that's a positive thing, however.

[mcollier]

164. Hold on now...

Michelle Obama brings such intelligence, inspiration, strenght, passion, integrity and leadership into this equation, as a man, I am grateful to her work and feel she will be such a key asset to all Americans in her roll as first lady...

[Texasgal]

161. Hey!

You forgot ME! :p

[Eurobabe]

163. Toast

:toast: to Women for Obama. :bounce:

[Alii]

167. My three sisters, septuagenarians all...

are voting for Barack Obama.

Me too.

Mahalo & Aloha

[NoSheep]

169. Even though some insist that NoSheep is a man...I am female

and I support Obama. He has carried out this campaign with intelligence and grace. Just as I thought he would from the start but I had to see it through. I started out a Kucinich supporter because he was the closest candidate to my ideals and beliefs. I had to learn more about Obama and I have. I thought he was sincere but needed more time. I feel certain he can take us to a higher place as far as more people involved in the political process and the reversal of the dumbing down of our people we have become so used to.

[aquart]

172. Will the self-congratulation never end?

And as you cross-compliment yourselves on seeing so purely and clearly, remember the wives from the compound, doing what they, too, were trained to do, and think, and say, all their lives. And how justified they feel in doing, thinking, and saying what they say.

And tell yourselves how very different, how very free, how very striving and high-achieving you are. Compared to them.

What is the difference between what they would say about you, and what you have to say about the woman who has had the guts and stamina to run for president?

And then spit on another woman you call a feminist. Because you're so above and beyond that sort of thing.

[Shakespeare]

176. Where the FUCK do you get off with that comparison?

I'm not an Obama supporter, but I am fed UP with my fellow feminist DUers who happen to support Obama being attacked by Hillary supporters. The real irony is that you don't see how anti-feminist your own comments are.

A rejection of Hillary, a broad disagreement with her policies and actions, are not "spitting" on her, nor are they anti-feminist in any way.

The only women being spit on in this thread are female Obama supporters. And you should damn well be ashamed.

[cui bono]

186. What the fuckity fuck are you talking about???

Sheesh.

[cali]

201. you're a sick little cookie.

seek help.

[azmouse]

173. I'm a middle-aged homemaker for Obama

Gobama!

[H2O Man]

175. Proud to be on the

same team with them.

Very good OP and thread!

Nominated.

[TragedyandHope]

177. CHEERS and Respect for Women for Obama!

[cui bono]

187. Clinton loathing female here!

:hi:

And it's NOT because she's a woman.

[Bensthename]

190. Men are hunters builders and protectors.. We're not made for pertty words..

:crazy:

[GetTheRightVote]

194. I have a chest too, so where does it get me, opps voting Obama of course

down with Hillary, so sorry.

[LisaM]

197. I think there are two things going on here

One, women clearly have always split our vote. We may trend one way or another, but we don't tend to vote en bloc, which is, I think, to our credit.

But the second issue, which is perhaps not so much in play here as it is with the GOP, is that in this country, there has been a feminist backlash. I'M NOT SAYING that the women here who support Obama haven't thought out why they support him or dislike Hillary. They have, and I take them at their word. But, since the candidates remain somewhat close on actual issues, I have to think that there is a little feminist backlash against Hillary. I look at women like Ann Coulter and wonder, exactly, why she fights so hard against feminism, particularly the feminism of the 70s and the ERA, when 1) it's benefitted her; and 2) she is a woman herself.

It's a quandary.

[LittleFarter]

198. Obama 4 prez

[Rosa Luxemburg]

199. very old lady here

[Marrah_G]

200. It's true what they say

"one mans God is another mans Devil."

I suppose it is all in how you look at things. Two posters you call "eloquent" are probably some of the nastiest most disgusting posters on the board, in my opinion. Of course you would probably feel the same about people I thought were eloquent.

[PassingFair]

206. Another bitter feminist for Obama, signing on!

:P

[ClericJohnPreston]

209. As to the enumerated List of

ELOQUENT speakers.......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA