If Obama's such a bad candidate, why is Hillary losing to him?

[last1standing]

I mean, really, she had a massive money advantage at the beginning of the season and she had over a hundred superdelegate advantage yet Obama managed to overcome those obstacles to take the lead. So please tell me how Hillary is such a great candidate when she wasn't able to close the deal after having every possible advantage going into the primary season.

Tell me what super tricks she has that Obama lacks against McCain.

In other words, put up or shut up. I'm sick to death of your bullshit whining if you don't have something solid to prove your point.

[Skittles]

1. the media has been trashing Hillary for 17 years

she's just got a giant lead on the trashathon.

[SunsetDreams]

3. no this campaign alone is enough to turn people off to her

[Skittles]

5. I've seen campaigns before

it's just more of the same

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[mcctatas]

11. I thought that was one of her arguments for her superior

electability, we already know everything...
which is it, a liablity or an asset?

[Skittles]

20. JAYSUS HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A FUCKING CAMPAIGN BEFORE?

ENOUGH ALREADY

[mcctatas]

23. ...

no need to yell, but you have to admit, even bush never insinuated that gore was better than mccain...
just sayin'

[ClassWarrior]

26. You didn't answer the poster's question.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

28. Ahhh, so bitterness in all caps is all you have?

NGU.

[Skittles]

29. IT'S FUCKING CALLED CAMPAIGNING

IT'S A COMMON STRATEGY FOR SOMETHING TO BE BOTH A LIABILITY AND AN ASSET DEPENDING ON WHO THE FUCK YOU ARE PANDERING TO. OH, AND BITE ME.

[Tatiana]

30. My God you have turned into quite a nasty and mean-spirited poster. n/t

[Skittles]

32. AW

:nopity:

The poster erroneously assumed I was not answering the question - HELLO - SOME OF US WORK ALL NIGHT.

And he Obabmabots and Hillbots MAKE ME SICK - ALL OF THEM. They have made a COMPLETE DISGRACE of DU, my one place of REAL REFUGE from the repuke wasteland I live in called North Texas. UNDERSTAND?????

[Tatiana]

34. Understood.

Just taken a back by your posting. I have really appreciated your insights on various issues in GD and I guess I continue to be amazed at how GDP makes formerly rational people respond with phrases like "bite me."

Not that there's anything wrong with wanting to be bitten, but that just surprised me is all.

[Skittles]

39. SOMEONE

has got to know these smug bastards know how much they suck - I WILL - it's like a big giant circle jerk every damn day :puke:

[JVS]

31. But last year when people pointed this out as a reason that she shouldn't be the nominee because...

it will hurt her in the GE, people ignored it. I fact, I saw a lot of posts saying that they just can't wait to make the Republicans eat shit by making her president. She's unelectable.

[SunsetDreams]

2. she can't win against him...that must mean he has a better shot against McCain

than her.

Frankly I think her Campaign is becoming desperate and a joke.

[Stand and Fight]

4. By your "logic" I could ask...

"If Bush is such a bad president, why did John Kerry lose to him?"

Winning does not always mean one is the "better" candidate.

[last1standing]

7. Absolute fail.

You prove nothing with that argument other than bush* won the election. I supported Dean in that primary but Kerry won and so I supported him as the best of the primary candidates. Once again, either explain how Hillary wins against McCain where Obama can't or stop whining about her loss.

[Zachstar]

8. Because Kerry did not run a good campaign and allowed himself to be swiftboated

Sure he fought back a little but too little too late saw Bush win.

[quantass]

12. But wasnt there the Ohio fiasco....in the case of Obama...he is just better than Hillary and the

people have voted to confirm this.

[ClassWarrior]

14. Are you suggesting that the Clintons are going to steal the election like...

...the Bush Crime Family did?

NGU.

[Hieronymus]

24. Bush won by the same tactics that Hillary hopes will win for her.

[Boz]

6. That was weird I had been reading off and on all day, and I was just going to make the same OP

It just struck me that many Hillary supporter often go "well if is so good why cant he close" and "its all equal" and it dawned on me no one was saying the obvious about Hillary. If hes so un electable and beating her what does that say about her chances.

[tammywammy]

9. Because we've all been hoodwinked, drank the koolaid and enjoy being in a cult

apparently.



;)

[MrModerate]

10. People are afraid . . .

And by "people," I mean "left-leaning, non-political-junkie regular folks" . . . that Obama is callow and will either fold under campaign pressure or has unexamined skeletons in his closet. Clinton's skeletons dance alongside her in the light of day -- there's no more dirt to uncover.

It represents the same thing that gives McCain a fighting chance -- the belief that an old hand is needed to either maintain an even strain *or* clean up the Bushian mess, and that Obama isn't up to it.

I happen to think this is poppycock, but you can't discount the (apparent) fact that a lot of people who are not committed democrats but who are likely to vote democratic this time (and who are needed to win), are waffling on Obama because of the experience issue.

Incidentally, I also happen to think that McCain is hugely unappealing to anyone who hasn't already drunk the Kool-Aid, and will sink himself during the campaign. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I just can't see him making it through without a major meltdown or two.

For the 'Licans to win this one, they're going to have to steal it.

Ooops.

[Dammit Ann]

36. hmmm...

So good to read rational, well thought-out replies...

In case it is not clear in my post, I support BO but I am also not blind to his (perceived) weakness as a candidate.

[WA98070]

13. Hilary was only the "front runner" when running against several others....

Her negatives are too high to ever win.

And her "trustworthiness" is number one.

Can anyone honestly explain the Bosnia statement by anything other than it was a "whopper."

You must question her mind set in saying this several times.

"Clinton Lied, No One Died" doesn't make it right.

[jconner27]

15. Obama supporters should thank...

1. Keith Olbermann and the other zombies over at MSNBC.
2. Air America
3.99.9% of blogs
4. corporate media
5. Ed Schultz
6. Steph Miller

All of these people or groups have been helping covering up Obama's paper thin record and quite those who bring up his short coming i.e. has Larry Johnson been on a "progressive" show since Ed or Steph gone for Obama? Has Keith gone after Randi Rhodes for her Fucking whore comments? Obama is a fraud, a glass jaw boxer.

[last1standing]

Absolute bullshit.

For every Obama supporter there's a Clinton supporter like Krugman, Helen Thomas, Marsh Tayor or Larry Johnson. Once again a Hillary supporter plays the victim in order to turn the conversation away from the real issue: Hillary is a worse candidate!

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

17. It's a vast left wing conspiracy!

Obama used his hypnotic gaze to brainwash all of the people listed in your post, so they would go out and "cover up his paper thin record".

:eyes:

[ClassWarrior]

18. You blame the media. But why just the Progressive media?

Why people who, other than their preference for a single politician, are our allies? Wouldn't someone who claims to be a Dem blame the Corporate Media first?

:shrug:

Just sayin...

NGU.

[last1standing]

19. One word: Triangulation.

Get that 51% and let the rest of the party rot. The Clinton way is to dump the rest of the party in favor of personal gain.

[ClassWarrior]

21. I think it's a different word.

The one that describes a mythical creature that lives under a bridge.

NGU.

[PM7nj]

22. roflmao

Doesn't it say something about Hillary that all those liberals (well... we can debate Schultz) and "99.9% of the blogs" are pro-Obama?

[tabasco]

25. Yes, three plus weeks of Reverend Wright-o-thon showed conclusively

how the corporate media supports Obama.

Good advice: think before posting.

[quantass]

16. So far i am still waiting for a serious answer from a Hillary supporter.

[boppers]

35. They don't have answers.

They have blame.

That's just how they roll.

[Two Americas]

37. the question is nonsensical

Clinton is not a good candidate either. The assumption that expressing any reservations about Obama or criticizing him makes it incumbent upon the speaker to defend Clinton betrays a profound weakness and lack of confidence among Obama supporters. That weakness and lack of confidence is certain to be carried into the general with disastrous results.

The campaign is weak. That is the serious answer - dead serious - and it has nothing to do with Clinton. Clinton has become a scape goat, and her supporters a convenient target for venting frustration, anger, and hatred. That feels good for people now, but is a fatally flawed basis for a campaign to take to the general public. I don't care who the nominee is - if I did I probably would not participate in these ugly hate fests at all

[barack the house]

33. Yep, anything else is disrepecting public opinion. If Hillary had more delegates I'd say good luck

to her. She'd of won fair and square. As it is we the people and the people would of spoken.

[humbled_opinion]

38. So how do we square..

Florida and Michigan? Millions of voters, voices not counted... This election is so close and the will of the people should be heard, as you stated, so why will millions of us be left out?

[Enrique]

40. Obama's a good candidate

but what happens in the primaries is not totally relevant to what happens in the general election.

Regarding Hillary's blowing her advantages, yes, you could say that. But now she's being outspent big time in PA and she could win there.