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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:50 PM
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Clinton Releases Her FEC Report
The link is here!

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/335594/

She's now TEN MILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT!!!
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:50 PM
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1. OUCH
and thanks for the link :hi:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:51 PM
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2. Thanks....... doesn't look good and you have the real deal
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 11:53 PM by Ichingcarpenter
$16 million not $20
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:52 PM
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3. Does that say only 2 million on hand?
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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22. looks like $31 million to me
less than the $33 at the beginning of march
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:39 PM
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135. Over $20 million of that is earmarked for the General Election
and can't be used in the primary.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:52 PM
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4. Only $17 million in contributions, did I read that right?
5. Covering Period 03/01/2008 Through 03/31/2008

6. Cash on Hand at BEGINNING of the Reporting Period 33153092.16
7. Total Receipts This Period 20931870.78
8. Subtotal (6 + 7) 54084962.94
9. Total Disbursements This Period 22372765.27
10. Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 31712197.67
11. Debts and Obligations Owed TO the Committee 0.00
Itemize all on SCHEDULE C or SCHEDULE D
12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee 10321562.87
Itemize all on SCHEDULE C or SCHEDULE D
13. Expenditures Subject To Limitation 0.00
14. NET Contributions (Other than Loans) 172767416.42
15. NET Operating Expenditures 157317429.66
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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5. well, that's the net total
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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7. No, She raised total 172 Million
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:56 PM
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17. You're right, my bad eyes got the better of me
Thanks!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:00 PM
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140. If Hillary can't get her supporters to fund her race, what does that say about her supporters'...
..commitment?
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loveangelic Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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6. wow.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:55 PM
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15. Why have you only got 4 posts?
:shrug:

/threadjack
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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21. The comeback kid!
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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23. ...
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loveangelic Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:00 AM
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30. I had to re register
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:09 AM
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43. SELF DELETE - sorry. nt
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:10 AM by gateley
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:00 AM
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32. ..
:) :)
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:05 AM
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37. Welcome back!
:toast:
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loveangelic Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:20 AM
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62. thanks!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:07 AM
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40. loveangelic, Welcome back to DU :)
:hi:
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loveangelic Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 AM
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60. Thank you!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:12 AM
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48. Hey I missed you. I hope it's OK that you're back. n/t
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loveangelic Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 AM
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59. thank you and me too. I will just have to watch what I say a little more...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:22 AM
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65. I seriously doubt it.
"Banned' member ID's can be 'un-banned' ... and that's how it used to be done when a ban was (rarely) reversed.

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:37 AM
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80. I guess you were right. LOL n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:26 AM
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108. Yup.
Stupid is as stupid does. If she were sincere and interested, she'd make her case to Skinner via email. It's his decision and *SOMETIMES* grants a reprieve. Sneaking back in is frowned upon. It's in the rules - for those who are able read and bother to do so.



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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:54 AM
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110. What'd she do? She always seemed decent to me.....nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:00 AM
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131. I don't know ... but I have high (not total, but high) confidence in the moderators and admin ...
... that it was a well-founded decision. I've seen some outrageous behavior that DIDN'T result in granite cookie delivery and, while I was a moderator, saw some very extreme behavior that ended with a tombstone which was followed by 'apologetics' that completely missed the basis. Very rarely (only once that I recall) does Skinner make the basis for any specific tombstoning public. (He doesn't engage in "public hangings.")

Now that I've said that, watch me get 'planted.' :rofl:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:10 AM
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114. But she didn't sneak back in. She used an almost identical login name and the same signature.
I just think she's a bit immature, but some of the things she would say remind me a lot of my daughter. I think, overall, a sweet girl. I still don't know what she did to get banned.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:35 AM
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117. actually
she spelt "angelic" wrong the first time, so the moniker was "loveangelc"... i always wondered who Angel C was.

:)

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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:41 PM
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136. You're back???!!!
:hug:

:bounce:

YEA!!!
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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8. Ten million in debt with 32 million cash on hand.
And it doesn't say how much of that is money she can't spend in the primaries. Obama has 51 million cash on hand and 600K in debt, and of that 51 million he can spend 42 million in the primaries.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:24 AM
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67. is there any way we can
find out how much of hers is available for primary use?
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:13 AM
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132. She only has a few million to spend on the primaries with NC and IN coming up.
She's toasty.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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9. Thank you!
Now I can go to bed peacefully.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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10. This Has Become 'Night Of The Living Dead'
Edited on Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM by MannyGoldstein
The Clintons just can't stop. They have no chance of winning, and they're piling on debt, their poll numbers are quickly moving south, and it doesn't matter - they won't leave us alone. It's like the old zombie movies - you can shoot 'em and big chunks come off, but they keep moving inexorably forward.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:56 PM
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16. Good visual
:D
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:06 AM
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38. Only MannyGoldstein could phrase it so vividly.
:evilgrin:
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:06 AM
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39. Yikes! K and R
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:39 AM
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81. BRAINS!!!
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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:38 AM
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124. That's it exactly! Those damn ZOMBIES! Perfect example.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:54 PM
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11. Hey Clinton supporters....
she is counting on you....Ooooooo ouch!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:55 PM
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12. Holy Crap!!!
20mm to his 42mm raised

10mm to his 600k in debt

31mm to his 51mm cash on hand

Does the 10mm include her 5mm debt to herself, or is it really 15mm?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:59 PM
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28. I think it doesn't include it... since it isn't a formal debt...
at least that is how it was last month. So you are right 15 Million in debt.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:00 AM
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31. Thats what I thought i remembered. So it is $15mm in debt and $30mm with ? locked for the GE?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:46 PM
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138. She doesn't have $31 million and he doesn't have $51 million
for primary use. He has around $42 million for the primary and I dont' know what she has except last month it was reported that over $21 million of her $$ was tied up in General Elections funds. If that number holds up (and doesn't go up) then she has $10 million to Obama's $42 million for the primary. (adding in her loan she now owes MORE that she has and not adding in her loan she OWES as much as she has!) x(
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:55 PM
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13. 10 million in debt?! Woah!
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:55 PM
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14. Um, she is 10 million in debt, but has 31 million cash on hand.
So not really.b
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:57 PM
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She needs to pay that money. I bet you most of the money is owed to small businesses.
The type that she is going to protect and work for when she is the president. :rofl:

Sorry I should not be laughing but this is just bad.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:57 PM
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18. Most of which is donated for the GE
She can't use it now.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:57 PM
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19. Had you mean
She had to throw quite a bit into trying to slow losses in PA.

So depending on how many donate after PA she will likely be going into May QUITE weak.

And sitting on 10 million in debt is not going to impress possible new donors.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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24. Math isn't your strong suit, is it.
Wait until we get the breakdown of the debt, whether her 5mm loan is included in the 10mm and how much of the 31mm is locked down for the GE.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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20. How much of that "cash on hand" is allocated for the General Election?
Is there anyway to see that break down?

This is fascinating.

Why the hell don't they pay their bills?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:59 PM
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27. That should be easy to find
She can not spend her GE money and the amount that she had raised for GE was previously disclosed. I bet you that number has not changed much.

I will try to look those numbers up.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:09 AM
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44. See post 42
She had 8 million dollars available for the GE and her campaign's debt was 10 million dollars.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:28 AM
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69. Thanks!
Bummer for Hillary!

:evilgrin:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:58 PM
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25. To the front page with ye. n/t
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:59 PM
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26. Net 22 million cash on hand MINUS the money locked for the GE.
Where can I find that number?!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:00 AM
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29. As an accountant, all I can say is
not good. :(
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. I'm looking at two different numbers 16m and 17 m
Can you break all of this down to what it really means?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:14 AM
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52. Well.....
She took in $20,931,870.78
and spent $22,372,765.27

So she spent $1,440,894.49 more than she took in.
-------------

The 5 million dollar loan is still outstanding.

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ScarletSniper Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:46 AM
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125. I heard one of the Punkdits on TV say that Obama will probably bail Hillary out of debt and she will
in turn throw her support fully behind him....

He will have to save her with all his funds..is pretty much what it came down to..
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:18 AM
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56. From reporting done....
http://www.startribune.com/nation/17957849.html

Clinton reported raising about $20 million in March and had about $8 million for the primary available at the beginning of April.

But she also reported debts of $10.3 million, putting her in the red.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:20 AM
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63. Thanks........
Is the $5 million loan included as repaid or part of the debt?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:30 AM
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70. Debts.....
the Total Debts This Period of $10,321,561.00
Does not appear to include the 5 million dollar loan.

She still owes Penn 4.6 million.....

Here are the debts itemized: http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/335594/sd/12

The Loan is listed on a separate schedule C - Shows not yet repaid. http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/335594/sc/12
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:35 AM
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76. Fantastic find..... both the $4.6mil to Penn and the $5mil not paid back
Yikes.... Bill gonna need to give some speeches in the Middle east or
some other authoritarian countries around the world
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:01 AM
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33. 10,000,000.00 in debt?
what happened to "pay as you go"?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. Actually, it is $15. That doesn't include her loan -- only the outside debt
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:05 AM
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36. so 32 Million - 10 Million debt - 5 Million Loan = 17 Million on hand - money locked for the GE ?!!
=?!
How much money is locked for the GE out of the 17 Million?!!
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:18 AM
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55. About 11 milion is locked for the GE by my calculations of previous months.
So about 7 - 8 million, there is debt load she is not reporting also, including payrolls.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:07 AM
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42. ******ATTENTION: Hillary's debt at the end of March was 2 million dollars***
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:08 AM by thewiseguy
After March she had 8 million dollars available for the primary and owed 10 million dollars. The rest of the money is for GE

http://www.startribune.com/nation/17957849.html

She could be deeper in red now given the expensive ad prices in Pennsylvania.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:12 AM
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49. And here are the debts owed for this month
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00431569/335594/sd/12

She owes $224,860.26 for "Contribution Processing"
That can only exacerbate her situation....
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:14 AM
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51. Half of month's debt is to Mark Penn the traitor!! Ha.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #49
83. almost a million to her printer....ya get the money up front guys
and a million + to a phone bank....good luck on that bill....
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #42
50. That is still not right..
1. It doesn't mention the 5 mil loan..which would make it -7million

2. I think that story is before she released the fine print. So it could be wrong.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:15 AM
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53. $8 million on hand and $10 million in debt- Bloomberg reports also
Obama has $41 million on hand and almost no debt

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=abgW9ZIRHJ7A&pid=20601070
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:35 AM
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77. Of the $33 million cash on hand...
only $8 million could be used for the primary?
That's what I think you're saying.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:37 AM
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79. Bloomberg is saying $10 mil in debt. nt
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:07 AM
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41. Thanks for posting it ......
K&R. :kick:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:10 AM
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45. Ay, Chihuahua
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:10 AM
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46. This is a hot mess.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 12:11 AM by Tatiana
We should print this out and mail it to all the superdelegates, just in case they haven't seen this information.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:12 AM
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47. How much is GE money and how much is primary money??
If a person gave $4600, only 2300 is "available" for primary usage.. her maxxed out donors have likely sent in $4600, so they cannot donate again for the GE.. and if she's using the whole $4600, that's misleading, since only half would be available for primary.. I'm betting that most of Obama's money is PRIMARY money, and probably most have not even HIT the $2300 limit...
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 AM
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57. Obama: 51 Million Cash on hand-9 Million locked for the GE = 42 Million - 0.6 million debts = 41.4 M
CASH IN THE BANK for the primaries.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 AM
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61. Beginning of the month she had 8 million on hand for the primary.
So 2 million in the hole with her 10 million debt.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:32 AM
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73. and another 5 million for her loan...
so it is more like 7 million in debt.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:42 AM
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84. That's a personal debt, not one incurred by the campaign.
She can't pay it back with campaign funds, so it's irrelevant.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #84
87. really??? I thought it was a loan and she was charging herself
interest? How does she pay it back then?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #87
92. Short answer is, the way things are now she probably doesn't.
But I imagine Bill's speaking fees will make eating that 5 million in debt less unpleasant.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:17 AM
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54. She owes a lot of "political strategists/consultants." n/t
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:19 AM
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58. poor hiwwawy
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:21 PM
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143. Don't answer the phone! Or the mail!
:rofl:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:21 AM
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64. You know... I'll never look at my measly credit card debt the same way again. lol
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:22 AM
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66. This sums it up nicely:
April 21 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama began the three-week sprint toward tomorrow's Pennsylvania primary with about five times more cash than rival Hillary Clinton, whose debts outweighed her money in the bank.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=abgW9ZIRHJ7A&pid=20601070
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:25 AM
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68. perfect timing for this too!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:31 AM
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71. Great endorsement....
guess we all know why they would pick Obama.
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:31 AM
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72. And some supporters here
Bag on the Obamas for their student loans. :eyes:
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:32 AM
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74. So what happens now?
Doesn't that make her a bit of a risky loan? I hope for their sakes, PA is getting their money up front.

What happens if she loses PA and ends her bid? Are the candidates personally on the hook for their campaign debt?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:34 AM
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75. Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. LLC: $4,577,820.61 n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #75
82. I was looking for that --
I'm assuming that's the TOTAL during the campaign that they've been paid?
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:57 AM
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95. Nope. I think that's the debt. They were paid $2,963,802.00 in March...
follow links to disbursements by payee.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #95
96. Thanks again --
you're sure doing a lot of hand holding with me tonight. I appreciate it! :pals:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:06 AM
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99. Aww we're just thinkin' the same things!
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #95
98. To add up, let's see...
March 2,963,802.00
Feb 3,147,990.00
January 3,807,718.31
2007 Q4 2,269,418.11
2007 Q3 1,583,465.08
2007 Q2 277,146.96
2007 Q1 0

TOTAL 14,049,540.50

Makes you pause before contributing, eh?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:08 AM
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102. Penn should be the last one paid.
I'd never contribute to a campaign that paid a pollster such an exhorbitant amount.

That's why you see max-out Hillraisers getting anxious and trying to start 527 groups. They realize she can't raise the $$$ to compete and they are in danger of losing their corporate inside track to the Presidency.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #82
97. No, that is what Hillary OWES Penn. It is an outstanding debt. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:37 AM
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78. Expect her intrade numbers to dive tomorrow
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #78
111. She's looking like a bargain at 14.9, she may go single digits by Wed.
I have Obama for President at 20. 12 shares, woooooo.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:43 AM
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85. Any creditors here? Please file an involuntary bankruptcy petition!
Shut this drain on society down.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:45 AM
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88. the two i just posted are not going to let her skate away
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #88
93. They shouldn't. They should file suit now and seek a TRO to stop the campaign
from any further diversion of assets. Hillary shouldn't be allowed to run pointless campaign commercials that aren't doing anything but increasing her campaign's debts.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:44 AM
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86. she owes two million to her printer and phone back
they will be the last in line to be paid
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:45 AM
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89. Gee thats to bad Hillary
:nopity::nopity::nopity:

I'm all broke up inside. :sarcasm:

:rofl:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #89
105. We don't take kindly to union scabs around here
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 AM by rocknation
Cue the official DU "Cry Me A River" String Quartet!

:nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity:
rocknation
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:48 AM
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90. LOL!!!
She owes a company called La Mafia, LLC $2,500.

That sounds SHADY!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #90
91. wow....
I remember when the MSM caught on to all of the money she owed about 4 weeks ago, Joe Scarborough brushed it off and was all "Oh, but ALL campaigns do that."


May be Joe, but this is a SPECTACULAR FUCKING EXAMPLE.
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:07 AM
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100. I just crunched some numbers and...
She owes just over $90,000 to education-related creditors. Check out this list I got from her debt list:

Albright College c/o Conference Office $8,000.00
Belpre City School District Attn: Eva K. Yeager $1,164.60
Bergen County Tech. Schools $2,591.48
Biloxi Public Schools Office of Support Services $1,100.00
Bowie State University $1,969.48
Cleveland State University Attn: Carolee Pichler $8,499.00
Furman University $2,080.00
George Mason University Office of Events Management $6,192.40
Huber Heights City Schools Sandi Snider $1,652.44
Kannapolis City Schools $660.00
Kent State University Attn: Walt Gritzan $521.40
Lakewood Board of Education Attn: Erin M. Fach $712.11
Lima City School Attn: Office of Treasurer $1,290.00
Montgomery Co. Community Coll. Attn: Patricia Drewicz $1,588.00
Reed Arena Texas A&M University $3,095.50
Shawnee State University $5,866.50
Stephen F. Austin State Univ. $870.33
Teachers Insurance & Annuity Association $750.00
Temple University Sullivan Hall, Ground Floor $15,145.45
Toledo Board of Education Treasurer's Office $4,800.82
University of Maine Attn: Accounts Receivable $3,370.91
University of Pennsylvania Perelman Quadrangle/VPUL Fac. $11,502.00
University of Texas @ Brownsville $1,380.66
University of Toledo $1,553.01
Washington & Jefferson College Attn: Terese Fiedler $2,980.00
West Lafayette Community School Cooperation $985.90

Total education-related debt $90,681.99
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:09 AM
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104. Look at the amount she owes to various cities and municipalities.
It's even more shameful.
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. And the caterers, too
Strangling her campaign financially...that's one way to beat an opponent.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 03:44 AM
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116. She woes money to my alma mater
Temple
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:59 PM
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149. ...
She paid mine. SDSU. As far as I know. :rofl:
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:56 AM
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94. My favorite lines:
27. Loan Repayments Made
(a) Repayments of loans Made or Guaranteed By Candidate 0.00 0.00 0.00
(b) Other Loans 0.00 0.00 0.00
(c) Total Loans (27(a) + (b)) 0.00 0.00 0.00
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #94
103. This line is a nice touch
Debts by vendor:
Clinton, Hillary 10,879.89
--->Didn't pay herself interest on that loan this month.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:08 AM
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101. No wonder she wants an IN debate two days after the PA primary
it's her only affordable source of national advertising.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/

Obama's Debts and Obligations Owed TO the Committee: 0.00
Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee: 662,784.55

Clinton's Debts and Obligations Owed TO the Committee: 0.00
Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee: 10,321,562.87

McCain's Debts and Obligations Owed TO the Committee: 77,259.74
Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee: 707,041.90

:headbang:
rocknation
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:18 AM
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107. K and R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:44 AM
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109. HOLY SHIT $8 of the $ 20 million she raised was on Mar 31st
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #109
112. And $7 million is from Washington, DC??
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #112
142. again, a product of t how contributions are reported, not anything suspicious
For whatever reason, Clinton regularly reports large sums as contributions attrtibutable to Washington DC, and very small numbers for contributions not attributed to any state. In April, she reported nearly $7 million from DC, only $11,455 for "no state was supplied".

Obama, on the other hand, reports smaller numbers for DC, but huge numbers for "no state supplied": $615,000 for DC; $16.2 million for "no state".

In all likelihood, the Clinton campaign reports "no state supplied" contributions as coming from DC, while Obama does not. Why this is done I can't tell you, but it may have something to do with how they receive and process contributions. In any event, its much ado about nothing.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #142
144. Yeah, I realized that after... I added up all individual contributions for DC, was like $340,000.
Thanks for elaborating on your point, appreciated.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #109
113. Wow... good find! n/t
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #109
130. Window dressing?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #109
141. to clarify: there is nothing suspicious about $8 million being reported on 3/31
Its a product of the way that campaigns report contributions. In February, Obama reported over $25 million on Feb 29.

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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:35 AM
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115. *****Hillary is 6 - 12 Million Dollars In The Red ***********
At the beginning of March first: 33M on Hand.
Money received during the month of March: 21M
Total Cash received as of April 1st= 54M
----
Money Locked for the GE = 23M
Debts = 10M
Loan = 5M
Disbursements during the month of March = 22 M

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Total available for the primary as of April 1st: 54 – 23 – 10 – 5 - 22= Negative 6 million.


The 22M locked for the GE are actually out of the 33M; we don't know yet how much out of the 21M raised in March are set aside for the GE. If we were to take a conservative guess, I'd say she is over 10M in debt after everything is said and done.
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 AM
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118. Can't you people do math?
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 06:01 AM by Chalco
Do the math, people!

6. Cash on Hand at BEGINNING of the Reporting Period 33153092.16
7. Total Receipts This Period 20931870.78
8. Subtotal (6 + 7) 54084962.94
9. Total Disbursements This Period 22372765.27
10. Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 31712197.67
11. Debts and Obligations Owed TO the Committee 0.00
Itemize all on SCHEDULE C or SCHEDULE D
12. Debts and Obligations Owed BY the Committee 10321562.87
Itemize all on SCHEDULE C or SCHEDULE D
13. Expenditures Subject To Limitation 0.00
14. NET Contributions (Other than Loans) 172767416.42
15. NET Operating Expenditures 157317429.66

Cash on hand plus total Receipts this Period - Total Disbursements = 31,712,197.67
Cash on hand at close of reporting period (March 31) - Debt and Obligations = 21,390,635
Total Net contributions - Total Net expenditures = 15,449,987.00

THERE IS NO DEFICIT

STOP YOUR FUZZY MATH!
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #118
119. Cash on hand: 31,712,197.67; available for the primary, 8 million.
23 million of that 31.7 million is in general election funds from donors already maxed out for the primaries. 8 million on hand and available for the primaries minus ten million in debt equals a negative balance of two million. So her finances are in worse straits than they appear at first glance.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #119
126. She has to return the 23M to donors if she's not the nominee
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #126
128. Right, and she can't pay her primary debts out of it either.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:13 AM
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120. She won't last much longer.
Obama could bleed her dry in NC and Indiana with ad blitzes.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:28 AM
Response to Reply #120
122. She has limited funds so I don't think she will use it in NC. I think
she will spend most of it in Indiana but make some appearances in North Carolina so it does not appear that she is writing it off. OR I guess she could spend her time in Indiana, Kentucky and West Virginia trying to run up her popular vote totals.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #120
123. And additional donors are looking at that last report
The funding is drying up. That's going to really hurt her.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:19 AM
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121. Don't worry Hilly! You still have your delusional DU supporters to send you some money! nt
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:18 AM
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127. Wow!
She must really believe in what she is doing! That takes commitment!!!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:24 AM
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129. thanks for posting - I was curious about her $$$
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:23 AM
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133. As goes our economy...
So goes Hillary Clinton!
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:35 PM
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134. But, has her campaign paid the outstanding bills?
That's what I'd like to know. :shrug:
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #134
146. Iowa grocery bills paid off FINALLY..from January
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 02:03 PM by rainbow4321
Forty Two, Inc paid off (are they are the one's whose owner publically said that he had to send a certified letter to her campaign for money owed? or was that the California University that also went public aboutnot getting paid??).


Good Lord, her insurance premiums alone almpst equal Obama's total debt. She did pay them off this time around, looks like. Perhaps the Internet publicity over her NOT paying them (repeatedly)left a "ouch" mark.

So anything that she brings in for donations each month, automatically subtract the $490,000 in healthcare premiums (assuming she keeps paying them each month)


http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/C00431569/B_PAYEE_C00431569.html


Aetna Healthcare 228,841.30

CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield 261,139.34



And WHAT the hell does one buy at 7-11 for a total of 265.81?? Unless they gassed up a fleet of cars?



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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #146
148. Shamed into paying? Thanks for the response!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:41 PM
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137. eek.
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mrJJ Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 12:58 PM
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139. The vendor's are gonna get the shaft

Bill Clinton's old campaign still owes -$319,630 !!!

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+P20000642

Sen Hillary Clinton:

The campaign's biggest debt remains to be the $5,000,000 loaned to the campaign by Senator Clinton

The campaign, to date, owes Senator Clinton $10,879.89 in interest on the $5,000,000 loan (at a rate of 1.26%)

The Campaign's second largest debt is to Penn, Schoen & Berland Assoc. LLC
Amount: $4,577,820.61

Harold Ickes firm, Catalist, LLC, is owed $240,000. The firm provided no billable services nor did it receive payments during the month of March 08.

Top to-date Press Reimbursement comes from CBS News for a total of $112,016.27 on behalf of Fernando Suarez. Fox News' Aaron Burns is second with $107,173.41 and ABC's Eloise Harper is third with $98,948.05

Total Salaries paid: $1,589,226

Patricia Solis Doyle got paid $11,687 in March 08

Total Employee Benefits paid: $489,980.64
(Paid to Aetna Healthcare, and CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield)

$138,182 in advertising with Google. $2054 with Microsoft!

Phone Banking: $1,921,124
Mail Expense: $1,588,837
Polling: $1,348,000
Media: $885,434

New York Post subscription: $40.8
New York Times subscription: $25.6

Travel: $5,102,905

Debt too vendors
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M3/C00431569/D_DEBTS_C00431569.html

thanks to lizardbox for the preliminary breakdown
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:45 PM
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145. Her health care premiums alone equal Obama's TOTAL debt
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 02:21 PM by rainbow4321
The last few months she has had a huge IOU to them as well as Aetna. At one point she owed $250,000 to BOTH for premiums.
Both are actually PAID this month.
Guess the internet attention for NOT paying her premiums must have stung, cuz I notice she actually PAID her premium bills for a change.

The bill between the two:


http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M4/C00431569/B_PAYEE_C00431569.html

CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield 261,139.34

Aetna Healthcare 228,841.30
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147. PONY UP BIG MOUTHS!
You don't want to see Mark Penn have trouble putting food on his family would you??
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