Why are so many Obama supporters so angry .. so

[cboy4]

provocative .. and yes, so bitter, if Obama has the nomination locked up?

Seriously -- it's like listening to a bunch of lottery winners bitch and moan about what a hassle it is to have to drive "all the way" to the bank to cash your multi-million dollar winning checks.

You poor things.

[FrenchieCat]

1. I ain't angry......but I ain't gonna take it anymore, that's why!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x121585

[Maddy McCall]

75. Take what? You deal out more bullshit than anyone at DU.

You don't "take" anything. You're a giver...a giver of bs after bs after bs.

[zabet]

103. Shouldn't that be....

"You deal out more catshit than anyone at DU."

:rofl:

[PoliticalAmazon]

112. It's come to this? You have to attack the poster? Look to your candidate...

...because that is where the problem lies.

There is a big difference between what a rank-and-file supporter feels and says and what the candidate and their staff say.

Hillary Clinton and her staff have repeatedly attacked Obama supporters, and I'm not going to take that bullshit from a person who will need my vote in November if she wins the primary.

[Armstead]

129. Because Hillary's self-centered right-wing lies and spew piss me off

[PoliticalAmazon]

131. Exactly. She has repeatedly insulted Obama supporters. She has earned our anger. n/t

[dchill]

138. You are proving, with each post, that it's actually YOU...

who is the dealer at DU. Top ten, at least.

[lachattefolle]

146. Took the words right out of my mouth. n/t

[dionysus]

152. angry hillbot needs banky!!

banky will make it all better;

[roguevalley]

171. go there and see why we are so tired of things the way they are:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5599811

read the original posting and go down to #2

[roguevalley]

173. don't attack frenchie. tell us why we should care about Hillary.

[PoliticalAmazon]

111. ITA. Hillary and her toadies have insulted us one too many times...

...and her continue to lie, and her continuation of the Rove/Bush tactics, is unbearable.

Sweet Baby in the manger, we have had 8 years of that bullshit with the REAL Bush/Rove. I sure in the hell don't want to go through 4 years of it with a cheap knock-off like Hillary Clinton.

[mcctatas]

124. pssst....

wow, Maddy just said You deal out more bs than any one on DU...
the irony fairies must be exhausted! ;)

[onehandle]

141. This from the queen of angry attacks on Democrats.

Obama is so much better than many here at DU.

I look forward to voting for him or Hillary in the GE.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

155. ......

[AtomicKitten]

2. Because Dems are wasting precious time & resources that we need in the GE, that's why.

[Skittles]

29. yes, heaven forbid we actually see DEMOCRACY in action n/t

[AtomicKitten]

30. It's that what you call it? See, that's where we party company.

Open your eyes.

[Skittles]

71. I'm glad to "party company" - MY eyes are very much OPEN n/t

[Maddy McCall]

79. These political newbs have no knowledge of the political process.

All eyes, INTERNATIONALLY, are on this Democratic primary. For the first time ever, people in conservative areas are saying NO to privitized Social Security, and YES to universal health care.

Americans are listening, and they are believing. BOTH our candidates are doing a good job convincing Americans that they deserve more than they've been getting.

This primary season has done as much to win people over to progressivism as anything in the modern past.

This primary season is waking people up!

But they can't stand it, because they only want one candidate out there, one view.

What they don't realize is that--the moment we have one candidate--people will tune out until the conventions.

We are getting soooo much done right now. We owe that to BOTH candidates.

But these novices are to ignorant to see that.

[libbygurl]

86. They want instant gratification - their way or the highway. Hmmm..

...might their wish to end it now be a sign of panic - to crown their candidate before more of his weaknesses come out everyday?

[hell-bent]

105. A very astute observation!

:thumbsup:

[PoliticalAmazon]

133. Take your condescending tone and ....

...stick it.

I don't even know, or care, which candidate you support, but this condescending tone towards someone who has a different opinion than you stinks.

In fact, I would call it "elitism."

[libbygurl]

159. I'd call you 'bitter'. Lookie here for 'elitism':

[AtomicKitten]

92. Hillary Clinton is finished: Waiting for you to digest that beats any insult you invoke & deserve.

I'll wait. ;)

:hi:

[libbygurl]

85. LOL!

[LWolf]

89. I call "democracy"

an even playing field, equal choice for all voters, and equal weight for all votes.

That's not exactly what the Democratic Primary is all about. I haven't voted YET, and I'm disgusted with the whole thing, and both choices.

[harun]

104. Primaries have nothing to do with DEMOCRACY (n/t)

[hell-bent]

107. Now that is the most asinine

comment coming from an Obamatron that I have ever heard. So, now voting with a secret ballot is not an example of democracy in action? :>( Stalin would be pleased with your opinion.

[harun]

135. Political parties can pick whoever they want to run as their "nominee"

The Democratic party has chosen to have the primary the way we see them have a primary.

The point is, mind you the point that morons like you keep missing, that in most years the person picked as the party nominee is known after at most four states. They do this for a reason, the reason is resources. You don't want to blow 200 million dollars having to run full campaigns in all 50 states just to be the nominee. Same reasons keep Iowa in the front of the pack. It is diverse and has cheap advertising. You vet out the candidates people won't vote for and pick a nominee.

Having the perception of Hillary still being in the race isn't all bad though. In Pennsylvania many people have registered to be Democrats to be able to vote in this Primary. Hopefully many of them will stay Democrats.

[maximusveritas]

96. Exactly. It puzzles me that Clinton supporters here aren't concerned about this

It's almost like they don't care whether Democrats win the GE. They only want their favorite candidate to win. And yes, I do realize there were plenty of Obama supporters acting the same way when he looked to be losing, but it's almost May now and McCain has clearly benefited from the prolonged race. So you'd have to be a fool to think this was helping us.

[AtomicKitten]

100. Clinton is choosing to become a pariah to the party: So be it.

[lachattefolle]

150. Only to half the party; Obama's becoming a pariah to the other

half. That is all.

[AtomicKitten]

151. No worries: You'll have eight years to get used to calling him Mr. President. ;)

[lachattefolle]

153. Whatever. I take you at your word. NOT. 'Buh bye.

[PoliticalAmazon]

115. ABSOLUTELY TRUE. She is $10million in debt, Obama raised $41million last month...

...She is staying in a race when even her own supporters won't fund her enough to pay off the many small companies that have provided her services during the campaign.

If her own supporters are hesitant to invest in her, shouldn't that be a clear sign that she is unsuitable for the general election?

Read "Hillary the Pterodactyl: The Natural Selection Process in Politics"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5591092

[Catchawave]

121. And he still can't close the deal ?

That bothers me.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

126. Because Clinton is a strong candidate.

A strong runner-up candidate but a strong candidate nonetheless.

Obama and Clinton are probably the two strongest candidates, moneywise, to ever run in a Democratic primary.

Make no mistake, though. The deal is closed.

[PoliticalAmazon]

139. Look where he started. He has closed a huge gap against...

...the "inevitable" candidate who had been campaigning 2 years before he even started.

In all the states he has done far better than anyone originally expected. He has been able to close the huge original gap and become the leader of the race.

Hillary's inability to raise funds, IMO, lies in the fact that she doesn't think she needs the "little people." Therefore, she didn't start a real outreach to them (and may still not be doing a serious outreach). As Hillary's campaign has failed, her big-bucks donors (like the India corporations who handle outsourcing) have dropped off in their contributions. She doesn't have the massive numbers of small-amount contributors that Obama has to buffer a big-donor loss.

Her inability to get contributors to fund her campaign is an example of her inability to lead and organize a group. I believe it is a bad reflection on how she would do in the Oval Office.

[dchill]

143. Right. Nobody's "closing the deal" like Hillary.

PA is supposed to be her "back yard." She came in with a 20-point lead. She blew it. How long will it take, at this rate, for HER to "close the deal." "He can't close the deal" - a slam phrase brought to you by the Republican party. I'm so proud of you, I can't stand it.

[hell-bent]

125. And your man can't win over the majority of voters

in a state with demographics that favor a Democratic nominee in spite of his HUGE amount of cash? If blue-collar voters will not vote for him, how can you expect him to do well in the GE? Perhaps you are counting on the "kids" and the elite to carry the day. Not a frigging chance! I would say it is millions dollars down the drain.

[SeattleGirl]

3. Because we are tired of being blamed for the very things that

Clinton supporters do.

Go take a look in the mirror, cboy4. Or, look at your fellow Clinton supporter.

You may just find the answer.

[cboy4]

8. I'm not sure I necessarily understand what you're saying.

You're tired of being blamed for the very things that Clinton supporters do?

Which is what?

If you're implying that Clinton supporters act obnoxious, are you also saying you're simply paying them back by acting obnoxious in kind?

I'm sure you're aware that Hillary supporters are heavily outnumbered here, so the anount of abuse they receive is quite disproportional.

Finally, I am an Edwards voter. I voted for him in the California Primary even after he had dropped out, and I have DU friends who support Obama and Hillary.

[SeattleGirl]

14. The only time I've been obnoxious to some Clinton supporters

is when they have been that way first.

I have never called HC a witch, a bi**h, or any other nasty term.

But I don't support her overall.

[blogslut]

4. I'm sad, actually

I thought you had an open mind. You really disappoint me.

[cboy4]

28. Well blogslut, I disappoint a lot of people pointing out

certain facts all the time.

But I think it's a fair observation.

[blogslut]

34. I disagree

It is not a fair observation. It is a biased observation. I no longer believe your objectivity. I no longer believe your sincerity. Your agenda is clear and you make me sad.

[cboy4]

36. Of course questioning why the winning team behaves

as though its the losing team is a fair observation.

And I'm far from the only person to raise this issue.

[blogslut]

38. And I say the losing team is behaving like

Jackie Gleason's definition of a critic.

Are you familiar?

[Skittles]

73. BOTH "teams" (WTF!!!!!!!!!!) are behaving like ASSHOLES

get a CLUE

[blogslut]

88. I'm done with you for today

Go bully someone else

[Raine]

5. Hi cboy

:hi: I didn't get to say hi to you on the other thread cause by the time I got back to it this morning it was locked. You're my favorite even if we went our separate ways on this. :pals:

[cboy4]

15. Hey you! Well, if Obama goes on to be the nominee, we'll

be voting for the same guy in November! ;)

I can't wait for this primary season to end!! :pals:

[izzie]

6. I did not know they were. I thought it was the people for Clinton

who were so mad that she was not just handed this thing. I frankly did not think Obama would go any place as I thought Clinton had the thing in her pocket at the start. That group sounded pretty sure about things at the start. Like it was her turn or some thing and I sure bet Bill wanted back in the WH. He had a hard time leaving when his term was done.

[chknltl]

7. It's a reflex thing...

If you tell me that I am angry when indeed I am not angry I will respond by laughing at you...see, a reflex thing! Speaking of "poor" things, why are so many of Senator Clinton's DU supporters so angry? One would think time could better be spent dreaming up ways to get some financial help for your candidate. Perhaps a DU bake sale! Cake would be good, everyone loves cake.

[demwing]

11. They could put some jars in local convenience stores

with little pictures of Hillary, and collect change. That would help pay some outstanding bills for Hill, and also help her image as THE candidate of change :)

[chknltl]

21. If that wasn't so BAAAD I'd recommend it for a DUZY

It was pretty damned funny though. Glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read it. (I hate it when things I am sipping on take an unexpected detour.) You should show that to Swamprat. He could have a cartoon image of this up in no time at all if he wanted to.!

[intaglio]

9. Check out the site below - if you are not already a member

hillaryclintonforum.net

[cboy4]

18. I didn't vote for Hillary in my primary, so I don't have any

reason per se to check out another discussion board.

Is there anything in particular you want me to look at?

[datopbanana]

20. LOL. Closing your eyes and plugging your ears isn't a great way to defend your position.

[cboy4]

24. And blind allegiance is dangerous and scary.

You know....the way you close your eyes and plug your ears about everything negative about Obama.

[Spider Jerusalem]

33. The way so many of Clinton's supporters do the same?

Come on. This behaviour is occuring on both sides; each has its share of hardcore cultists, for lack of any other word. That you only see this coming from ONE side and not the other says more about your bias against one of the candidates than anything else. A little objectivity would be a good thing if you're going to presume to lecture on the perceived sins of Obama's supporters which Clinton's are equally guilty of.

[cboy4]

35. I see it coming from the other side as well.

But again...it's far more puzzling coming from the side that's winning.

That's what I'm pointing out in this particular thread.

[datopbanana]

39. I'm confused. Is it a virtual tie or is Obama winning by a landslide?

Better get your Clinton talking points, I mean spin, right.

[cboy4]

46. I don't "talk" for Clinton....I am an Edwards voter.

But yea, it's a virtual tie.

The presumption, however, is that Hillary cannot win.

Yet people like yourself are still furious.

[datopbanana]

161. "But yea, it's a virtual tie." LOL......... I don't know if you're math dumb or dumb dumb but i cry

for you.

[Spider Jerusalem]

42. And in a dozen other threads.

Your claims of objectivity are farcicial; you have made it abundantly clear that you don't like Obama. You post nothing but thread after thread of plaintive whingeing about how gosh-darn nasty all those Obama supporters are, and how they have a 'blind allegiance' to their candidate. It couldn't possibly be that they simply find him a better candidate than Hillary, or that she's run a terrible campaign. No, it must be because Obama's supporters are unthinking cultists who are infatuated (or in your words, a 'frenzied fan club'). Posts like yours are very probably a large part of why so many of Obama's supporters in this forum seem angry; attitudes like yours are, quite frankly, insulting and tiresome. In your own passive-aggressive way, YOU are part of the problem.

[cboy4]

48. Spider, "simply" finding him a better candidate than Hillary

doesn't justify bashing the team that's behind, so to speak.

My feelings about Obama are irrelevant.

And I treat you verrrrrrry nice.

[Spider Jerusalem]

51. No, but the vitriol coming from some Clinton supporters deserves a like response.

They ought not to dish it out if they can't take it. You don't throw a punch at someone and then start crying because they hit back.

[ScarletSniper]

119. Your post are always spot on..and you seem to have the knack of turning the truth light on..

people. So much so, they run away and stop responding.

Keep up the good work.

[datopbanana]

40. wtf are you talking about. Show me once were I have done this or shutup. thx

[datopbanana]

41. LOL btw. this is the worst comeback I've ever read. This is like...

Me calling your mom fat. and your comeback is: YOUR mom is fat!

OOOH good 1 cboy. touche!!!


not to mention. I actually have facts to back up my argument. and you come back with baseless assertions. nice...

[cboy4]

52. You have facts to back up your argument?

"LOL. Closing your eyes and plugging your ears isn't a great way to defend your position."

That's your "facts?"

Yea...that's pretty convincing datopbanana.

And what was your other comment? Something about at least we're winning?

Wow...you're just a fact machine, aren't you?

[datopbanana]

164. you are a quick one...

Obama is winning. That is a fact. Do you disagree?

You argue that Obama fans are especially anger and bitter. Yet, when another poster shows where all the angry and bitter Clinton people are, you refuse to look.

Precisely why you are "LOL. Closing your eyes and plugging your ears isn't a great way to defend your position."

People are angry, it's not unique to Obama fans. That is a fact.

[rodeodance]

57. Stay focused --OP is talking of Obama fans. Start your own thread if you want to do a Rove

by distraction and changing the subject

[datopbanana]

10. "bunch of lottery winners bitch and moan" At least we won :o

[boppers]

12. It's an abuse thing.

We know she's wrong, cruel, and will continue to hurt us, but we love the party.

We're hoping the party will fix it.

[quakerboy]

13. Because we feel a little concerned

We know we are good for the win. But we also see some thugs we used to think of as neighbors waiting outside our door wanting to take it from us, even if that means breaking our legs so we cant drive to the bank. We would prefer they go home, or at least that we could work out direct deposit, so as to avoid that unnecessary fight. It doesn't help us, because at best we make it to the bank with a few extra bruises. And at best for them, they still can't sign the check with our name, so all they did was fight for no reason. But Some among yall are damn determined to mug the winner, and it just doesn't seem to make any sense.

That might be taking the metaphor a little far, but o well. Some of us are just jackasses, as well. There's always some who will be, on any side.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. Your observational skills do you no credit.

There is as much bitterness, as much anger, as much provocation, coming from the Clintonites. One would suspect that if some Obama supporters are likewise embittered it is in the form of a reaction to Senator Clinton's continued employment of destructive tactics, when she cannot hope to win, and to some degree a reaction to the aforementioned attitudes on the part of Clinton's supporters.

[cboy4]

22. Well Spider, your comprehension skills do you no

credit, frankly.

If there, for argument's sake, is as much "bitterness, as much anger, as much provocation, coming from the Clintonites," -- a charge I for the most part reject, BTW .. maybe that can at least be dismissed as emotion from being behind and potentially being eliminated from the race.

Therefore, the point, which you apparently missed and didn't properly address is .. why would Obama supporters behave badly if their guy is winning?

So, in summary:

Clinton supporters acting obnoxious......their candidate is losing and it's at least understandable why they're upset.

Obama supporters acting obnoxious........their candidate is winning and it's not understandable why they're upset.

See how simple that is Spider?

[Spider Jerusalem]

23. Action and reaction.

If you're going to admit that, yes, Clinton's supporters are being obnoxious, then you can certainly admit that such behaviour is likely to provoke a response.

[SoCalDem]

17. maybe..

IF some insane tailgater was crashing into your car every block and throwing rocks at your car windows... on the way to cash the ticket in..:evilgrin:

[cboy4]

32. Well maybe if they don't rub the lottery ticket in the faces

of people who didn't win, they won't have to worry about stopping by the body shop.

Just a thought.

[susankh4]

19. I think it goes beyond any of this.

I think his candidacy simply attracts angry people. I do not know why.... but the rancor is astonishing. And I am not talking about just D.U. I mean real life Dems. Even in my own family!!

[mwb970]

61. Obama's candidacy "simply attracts angry people"?

Do you mean people angry at bush? People who are angry about Hillary's Rovian campaign? Or psychopaths who are angry all the time for no apparent reason?

Your analysis is peculiar, to say the least. I'm sorry people in your family have anger problems, but I'm not sure you can generalize from them to all Obama supporters.

[susankh4]

78. The frequency of reports...

of anger, bullying, threats, tire slashings etc.... need no explanation from me. They speak for themselves.

[mwb970]

82. Do you happen to have any of those reports handy?

I'm ready for them to speak for themselves. I can only find one tire slashing by Obama supporters that has occurred, in this country of over 300,000,000 people. One. Are there more?

Your other charges ("reports of anger"?) seem kind of vague by comparison with the tire slashing.

Do you feel that the anger is strictly on one side? If so, you haven't visited this site.

[susankh4]

90. No, I don't visit HRC's website

I consider either candidate's website to be biased.

I was quite concerned when the Pennsylvania Progressive's website went down over threats from an Obama supporter. Weren't you?

I have seen videos of what has happened in Texas caucuses.... Not something I'd want to be a part of.

Mayhill Fowler and Tavis Smiley have alerted us about the death threats they have received.

I could go on.... but I won't. I'm sure you don't want to hear it anyway.

[mwb970]

94. No, I believe you.

I just haven't heard as much about this as you have, although it is obvious that the anger level in America has been rising since long before we even knew who Obama is (road rage, school shooting, teen fight videos, etc.).

BTW, that isn't Hillary's site, it's a pro-Hillary, anti-Obama site that reads like Free Republic. They say some pretty dangerous-sounding things over there.

[fasttense]

25. I think what you are seeing is merely the reflection of current society.

Everyone is angry, provocative, bitter, unless you are in the top 1% who is raking in the money. Most adults don't express it, but silently fight on. On boards like this it tends to come out.

[mdmc]

26. Some of us hope he don't have it locked up

We would love to see the dlc split the party up.

[bowens43]

27. HIllary is working to destroy Obama's chance in the GE.

Her only goal at this point is to ensure that McCain becomes president so that she has a shot in 2012. Bitter ? No. Angry, you bet. Antone who isn't angry about what she is doing shouldn't call themselves a Democrat.

[DemBones DemBones]

120. She's working to win the nomination, as he is, and he has been far

more negative in his remarks about her than she has been in her remarks about him.

She hasn't flipped him off like a high school kid, either. He's the one who can't control his middle finger.

[cali]

31. you presume too much.

you're wrong.

[searchingforlight]

37. Funny, to me the posts of the HRC group are much angrier.

[mwb970]

62. HRC supporters seem more angry to me too.

http://hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion

[Perry Logan]

43. Low IQ.

[BklynChick]

44. for me, part of it has to do with Clinton and what she's done to the Dem. party.

[Kahuna]

45. Project much?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[cboy4]

56. Kahuna, you have no idea about plenty.

No offense.

[my3boyz]

47. I'm sick of dealing with delusional people like you. Meet ignore button! nt

[shayes51]

53. You are making her case.

Why have the attacks become so personal, Democrat against Democrat? It's like we're all on the Jerry Springer Show.

[cboy4]

55. Excellent temper tantrum my3boyz

Consider yourself the poster child of my original post/point.

Well done. :thumbsup:

[jackson_dem]

49. Because they know he could still lose and is choking yet again in PA

He coked away Texas and Ohio and is now apparently doing the same in PA. He can't close the deal. If he loses all the big states and most of the remaining contests there is a good chance Clinton will win the nomination.

[mwb970]

63. HRC would need to win all remaining primaries 60-40 to be nominated.

Do the delegate math. Like her or not, it is very unlikely that she can catch up now.

[jackson_dem]

67. Obama supporters are in denial about superdelegates

She does not need to win the pledged delegate battle.

[PVnRT]

69. "My candidate does not need to win an election"

Wow.

[jackson_dem]

74. Do you understand the nominating rules?

[mwb970]

70. Is it your opinion that the SDs would overrule the people's votes?

I don't think that would be a Good Thing for the party. The Supremes overruled the people's vote to install bush. Is that the kind of thing you are picturing for HRC?

[jackson_dem]

72. That is very unlikely which is why it is vital for her to win the popular vote

Right now counting Florida she is down 400k in the popular vote. She could halve that gap tomorrow. If she loses the popular vote, even if it is clear that Obama would lose the general election, it is hard to see the supers giving it to Clinton, especially given the long-term ramifications of doing that with the black vote. If she wins the popular vote that means she would have won most of the primaries from March to June and if she is up in the polls by the time the supers decide she can win despite losing the pledged delegate count. They will be able to cite her popular vote victory and the polls that have her up about 10 over Obama. The latter is important. If the polls have them basically tied it is unlikely the supers will give it to her. If she is behind it is almost impossible that they would put her over the top.

[mwb970]

80. You may well be right about the popular vote.

Because of Democratic Party rules mandating proportional representation, Clinton cannot statistically catch up to Obama's 164-delegate lead from the primaries and caucuses. But the popular vote -- contrary to expectations -- may be a different matter. In outlining the pro-Clinton math, (film director Ron) Reiner began with the reality that most calculations put Obama more than 700,000 votes ahead. But that number excludes the results of the outlaw primaries in Michigan (where Obama's name was not even on the ballot) and Florida. Reiner, though, added in Clinton's tarnished Florida victory, reducing her overall deficit to 400,000 votes, using a little sleight-of-hand. "We can almost make that up here in Pennsylvania," he said. "Then if we do that well in Pennsylvania, we're going to wind up very well in Indiana, in Kentucky, in West Virginia. And by the time we get to Puerto Rico -- people don't understand that Puerto Rico has a lot of voters, 2 million voters. We can pick up 400,000-500,000 there with the popular vote."

You read that correctly: The June 1 primary in Puerto Rico -- whose residents, while U.S. citizens, cannot vote for president in November -- may loom large in the potentially vicious arguments over which candidate actually won the primaries. Clinton begins with a huge advantage there both because many Puerto Ricans have family ties to New York and because Obama, so far, has not run well among Hispanic voters.

(Salon, April 21, 2008)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/04/21/bill_clinton/

[hell-bent]

127. I agree with your analysis.

She must win the popular vote which must include the Florida plurality(262,000).

[hell-bent]

109. Would you say the same thing if

Hillary has more total votes than BO by June 3rd? Or, it's not about who receives the most votes(popular votes); it's about winning caucuses like Wyoming by 2,000 votes? Are the popular votes "peoples votes"? I will say that if Obama has more popular votes than Hillary then he deserves the nomination. Let's see what happens.

[mwb970]

117. If she gets more votes, yes, we should nominate her.

She is very impressive (including on CNN just now) and I would vote for her in the GE without a moment's hesitation. Right now I do wish we had just one candidate, and I do prefer Obama, but HRC is great too. Just so we beat mcSame!

[hell-bent]

132. Obama is a good man, also!

However, I just don't think he can overcome the so-called Bradley effect. He is not winning the white vote in Pennsylvania according to some polls.

[ScarletSniper]

123. You better believe it will be bad for the party. Count me out in Nov. and many more that I know...

[hell-bent]

136. Threats from real Democrats?

"If I can't win I'll take my marbles and go home".

[ScarletSniper]

142. No. Not at all. It's the truth. If the SDs over rule the will of the people..you CAN count me out.

[GoldieAZ49]

148. They want Hillary to give Obama the gift of the nomination

They are pissed that she won't.

They know he can't earn it, it will go to the Super Delegates for a nominee.

[indimuse]

50. Because they can't CAUCUS in PA and steal votes and intimidate voters!!!

Obama.....BIG FAIL!!

[YOY]

68. Oh Indimuse, you're trying to imitate me...I'm flattered!

But to be one of the "cool kids" one must use the proper graphics...and have a leg to stand on! Actually understading where "epic fail" comes from would help too.

e.g.:

Toodles.

[jackson_dem]

77. Good point. In primaries they are about tied in delegates

His margin comes from sham caucuses with 2-5% turnout where working folks, seniors, and immigrants--all big Clinton groups are disenfranchised. Fortunately there are no more sham caucuses left on the calendar.

[ima_sinnic]

83. lol --- awwww, poor widdle HIllary voters are so, so intimidated!

Obama voters are a big mean thugs who are threatening to kneecap people who don't vote for Obama!
They are giving them no choice but to send money to his campaign!

:nopity: :rofl:

[hell-bent]

116. Well, aren't you discounting those HUGE

Obama pluralities in the states of AK(4,480);ND(4,677);WY(2,067;VI(1,623); and HI(19,512). These are impressive caucus victories..:>)

[mmonk]

54. Because of the nature of the smears and their resemblance

to republican political smears.

[Window]

58. One reason may be we have to play defense all the time, just like Sen. Obama,

thanks to Sen. I'm-confortable-in-the-kitchen and her supporters. Those pots and pans, and other items in the kitchen sting when thrown and hit people.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

98. Sen. "I'm- comfortable- in- the- kitchen"? Why would you use that turn of phrase?

[DemBones DemBones]

118. Why do young male punks yell "Hillary, iron my shirts" or

"Hillary, make me a sandwich"? Because they're sexist pigs.

I don't know if they're all Obama supporters but it was the Great Obama who said,

"She's got the kitchen sink flying, and the china flying, and the, you know, the buffet is coming at me."

What IS his problem with women?

An unresolved Oedipus complex, or something else related to his mother or his grandmother (the one who's related to him by blood and is a "typical white person")? It bothered him when he realized his mother was attracted to dark-skinned man. He should be grateful she was, otherwise he'd be white and not have people fawning over him as if he'd done something significant for blacks simply by having a black father.

People really should be grown ups before they run for president. Barry is still a little kid using sexism and racism as much as he can to cover for his own inadequacies.

[Window]

144. Because I heard Clinton say on TV this morning...

while she was chiding Sen. Obama, saying "if he can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Well, I'm very comfortable in the kitchen," she said.

[NJmaverick]

59. It's because the nomination will me NOTHING if Camp Clinton and it's supporters destroy

any chance Obama will have in the GE.

[Vinca]

60. I am a bit angry, I will admit. The candidate we will be running

in November should be campaigning against McCain. Every day we lose is an advantage for the Republicans. There is no way Hillary can win the nomination unless she convinces super and elected delegates to flip in her favor and if she does that, she will have destroyed the party. I've also heard she plans to take the whole mess to court. That, too, would have the potential of taking out the party. The question for people to ask of Hillary right now is whether she is running for the common good or running for herself. When there is absolutely no way for her to pull ahead of Obama, no matter how much she wins Pennsylvania by, it's time for a dose of reality.

[ima_sinnic]

87. HRC is gong to take it to court??!! so now the voters are going to be sued for not voting for her?

do you have more info about this? what is it about? what is her case? is it about FL & MI?

[Vinca]

160. I'll need to do some searching for wherever I read that tidbit.

It had to do with Michigan and Florida and was only under consideration.

[melody]

64. Because she's helping the GOP of course

That's her whole goal at this point.

And I'm angry at all the Hillary supporters who can't seem to see she's destroying the party -- or perhaps you
do see and that's what you want.

[Diamond Dog]

65. For me, it's because I cannot tolerate her politics.

She is a typical member of the Democratic Leadership Council, a right-winger. I can no more find anything with which to agree on with her than I can Dick Cheney.

[GoesTo11]

66. Because they really think Obama will be much better for the country than McCain

So, when Clinton says that McCain has experience to be Commander in Chief and Obama doesn't, or loves his country and no comment on Obama, or Obama is not Muslim as far as I know, or ....

These things HRC does that will really be used against Obama in the GE are qualitatively different than things Obama says about Clinton that affect the primaries but wouldn't be fodder for Republican attack ads.

It's not about the nomination, it's not about feeling like a winner. It's not about feeling sorry or happy for my candidate. It's about our country.

[FlaGranny]

76. Because I was torn between

voting for her and voting for Obama. I didn't KNOW Obama. I was leaning a tiny bit toward Clinton. Then Clinton had to piss me off. She just had to do it, so Obama started looking ever so much better to me when Clinton started the innuendos/lies. She continues them daily. My cousin told me last night that Obama wouldn't wear a flag pin, that he was a Muslim, etc., etc. All the stupid nonsense lies that Clinton tacitly "agrees" with and her "Democratic" followers espouse. I'm angry because Clinton is making me angrier every single day.

[screembloodymurder]

81. Because we're tired of "politics as usual".

Because we're tired of "fear and division" and we see an opportunity for unity and hope. We're bitter, because we know we can do better.
We believe this country can be a better place to live: more compassionate, more just, with more opportunities
for all.

[libbygurl]

84. Did I hear someone say bitter? You mean, like this green thingie here:

[Bake]

91. I've been wondering the exact same thing for weeks now.

Thanks for putting it out there. You see the evidence of it in this very thread.

Bake

[BeyondGeography]

93. Pumping up McCain, invoking Farrakhan and Hamas, throwing activists under the bus...

What's not to love from the most overindulged candidate the Party has ever had? What other certifiable loser would get to carry on like that?

[mwb970]

95. The "certifiable loser" is ahead by 800K in the popular vote. /nt

[BeyondGeography]

97. That too

[mwb970]

102. Um, OK. /nt

[Name removed]

99. Deleted message

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[BleedingHeartPatriot]

101. This is the way campaigns used to be, not so long ago. Every state had a chance to vote. The R

voters have been disenfranchised by their party, their candidate was picked for them a long time ago. And, if you haven't noticed, they are not very happy about him.

But we Dems are having a spirited, close primary go to each state, where the voters are able to see and hear two candidates who offer much more to the working class folks of this country than the R's could dream of.

Not to mention voter registration drives, signing up people who have never voted, or used to vote other than Democrat, who are now solidly D.

How great is it that every state will have had voters given an actual voice in the process, on the Democratic side! :bounce:

[DemBones DemBones]

114. Yes, it is right to do it this way, counting all the votes, including FL and MI.

Dean is showing himself to be a petulant little man who wants Obama to win so badly that he'll disenfranchise Democratic voters in two states.

What the hell were voters supposed to do when their primary was set ahead of Super Tuesday, thus breaking King Howard's new rules? Stay home? Try to vote on Super Tuesday when the polls would be closed?

Dean's insistence that we must have a nominee by July 1 or he will throw a tantrum is also childish and undemocratic.

[Bonobo]

106. HERE IS YOUR ANSWER

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=121910&mesg_id=122027

[YOY]

134. From a longtime DUer who should be ASHAMED of herself.

If not booted for such a disgusting tactic.

I've seen longtime DUers using mother f***ing Rush Limbaugh sh*t and then call anyone who points this out a Rushbot...

That's kind of like walking in on a guy f***ing a horse in a wig garterbelt and being called a pervert.

[Orsino]

108. Because we're awake.

Same reason most of the country is bitter and angry.

[stillcool]

110. People will remember....

long after this Primary Season is over...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

ABC News
Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By JUSTIN ROOD

Feb. 22, 2008—

The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.
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"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001. (Obama's ties to the radical group first surfaced last week in a Bloomberg News article.)

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from Politico.com reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another former member of the radical group.

Opting to leave any attacks on the issue to the GOP may be wise, as attacks from Clinton could backfire. In his final day in office, President Clinton pardoned another one-time member of the Weather Underground, Susan L. Rosenberg, after she had served 16 years in prison on federal charges.

Rosenberg had been arrested in 1984 while unloading 740 pounds of dynamite, a submachine gun and other weapons from the back of a car.
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And in 1999, President Clinton also pardoned 16 violent Puerto Rican nationalists responsible for more than 100 bombings of U.S. political and military installations, after they promised to renounce violence. The attacks reportedly killed six people and wounded dozens more. In justifying the pardons, President Clinton noted none of the men had been convicted of crimes that resulted in death or injuries.
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4330128

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.

Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton."The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women.
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Political Heretic]

113. I've been asking myself the same thing. It's also why I post a lot less.

I'm posting now because I've got nothing better to do. But I've been posting way, way less in GD:P. Why? Because the nomination *IS* locked up. I am just waiting for all the theatrics to be over with so we can start focusing on the general.

[Romulox]

122. The most obnoxious fans of any sports team are the bandwagon jumpers

My guess is that Obama people are seeing a similar phenomenon. Several Obama posters on this very board will admit to voting for W. in 2000 and 2004...

[YOY]

128. Because the lame and obvious hitjobs keep pouring in...after the matter.

Tearing down the guy who pretty much has got it in the bag unless one of those hit pieces actually manage to stick.

It's a shame that I've seen otherwise decent DUers on both sides posting such dreck. Moreso from the Clinton camp though.

[smiley_glad_hands]

130. The only thing I'm angry about are Hill's tactics and the last 8 years. eom

[onehandle]

137. Agreed. I'm glad I'm not committed to either candidate.

It's either being angry that you are winning or being harassed for being behind.

Strange days at DU.

[ecstatic]

140. Imagine if a hater kept trying to tear pieces of the lottery ticket off

So that by the time you get to the Claims Dept, the ticket is worthless.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

145. Obvious flame bait

haven't you been kindly asked to stfu yet? :shrug:

[IndianaJones]

149. why does your post stay? nt.

[Azathoth]

147. For the same reason the winning team gets angry when the losing team riots in the parking lot

after the game.

[redqueen]

154. "You poor things."

Flamebait.

[Texasgal]

156. What are you talking about?

I am not angry at all! :)

[Carrieyazel]

157. They're angry because they can't get her out of the race.

She's still taking half of the media spotlight; whenever Obama is shown in a report, Hillary is shown right before or right after him. He's still preoccupied with her and the primary race, and can't set his sights on McCain very well. McCain is either tied or ahead of Obama in head to heads, with McCain sitting back doing little or nothing in his campaign yet.

[Erin Elizabeth]

158. I'm not angry at all!

I'm finding watching the temper tantrums Clinton supporters are pitching a bit...uncomfortable nowdays. It was mildly entertaining at first and now it's just a bit disturbing. Have you ever seen "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" Like that, like I feel embarrassed for them.

But angry? Hell no! I'm happy! A bit tired of the primary, but happy Obama has done so well!

[JuniperLea]

162. This OP may be considered flame bait... I mean, what did you hope to do with this?

Yet, I've seen many like OP's fly to the greatest page, so perhaps my perspective is off?

One question I'd throw into this mix (mess) is: Why was it considered "stealing" when it looked like Clinton was wooing superdelegates, but it's ok if those same superdelegates move their vote to Obama?

[Catherine Vincent]

163. LOL! So true!

But you know they'll only blame everything on Hillary because she's still holding on.

[Medusa]

165. I'm not angry in the least. I know tomorrow is Hill's swan song

she ain't getting this nomination and that amuses me no end.

[Shakespeare]

166. Probably because of shit like this:

http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-04-20-0005.html

[NC_Nurse]

167. I'm not angry. I'm on Cloud 9 today. I just voted this morning and I'm

working the Obama office this week, next week, and the weekend before our primary.
I'm lovin' it!

[Occam Bandage]

168. Because we don't have the GE locked up, and Clinton seems insistent on doing McCain's work for him.

[cboy4]

174. Well wait a minute Occam....if you don't have the GE locked

up, why are so many of your fellow Obama fans calling for Hillary to turn in her resignation?

[Lucky 13]

169. 1) I thought it was decreed by Hillary supporters that the word "bitch" was sexist and derogatory.

Double standard much?

2) He does have the nomination locked up, yet still she is continuing to ATTEMPT to damage him with negative attacks and her continued presence eats up time for uniting the party and resources that we could be focusing on McCain.

3) It has become apparent to anyone with the capability to think independently that Hillary does not give two shits about the party, or progressive causes, or democratic activists, or anyone that might not assist her in continuing her scorched earth campaign. She only cares about HERSELF and her own ambitions. A scary quality in someone who wishes to wield so much power.

4)We're pretty damn tired of arguing with people that won't listen to logic and have no ability to see an argument from someone else's perspective. You have a profound lack of ability to listen and empathize.

[tabasco]

170. I thought we were latte-sipping wimps.

Make up your mind.

[book_worm]

172. Not half as much as some of you Hillary supporters have been

The Queen lost her way on the way to the coronation.

[Ian_rd]

175. We're worried about the General Election. Hillary has a real potential to throw this to McCain

... by forcing Obama to keep spending money on the primary, by stoking right-wing fear for McCain - essentially running McCain's campaign for him, by making this primary so nasty that Hillary supporters might stay home OR WORSE on Election Day. This is why we're angry. We don't want Bush III.